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EOS Bodies / Re: So, what about the T4i?
« on: March 01, 2012, 12:40:23 AM »
i would hope the t4i debuts a new APS-C sensor that addresses the shortcomings of the existing 18MP sensor
also since the entry level is very sales driven based on that all important benchmark of pixels I think canon will need to trump the sony 24MP so i am guessing we will see a 27MP sensor (discalimer this can be taken as CR-3 since i just pulled that number out of my butt)

What are the shortcomings of the current 18 Mpix sensor?

Good point about the megapixel war, but that is so silly.

I feel a jihad coming against me but what the hell :D

soft images - before i get struck down with vengence and furious anger I say this is relative to the Full frame and APS-H sensors. I REALLY REALLY wanted to get a 7D but when i compared it to my 10MP 1D mk3 it was a no contest the 1D kills it in every way except total pixels and extra reach from the crop.

strange low iso noise - i do pixel peep when editing my shots especially when doing noise reduction lots of people complain about this too

high iso noise - I quite happily shoot at 3200 ISO with both the 5Dmk2 and the 1Dmk3 i would be scared to push above 1600 with the 7D

having said that I got my parents a 600D for xmas and it's good for them they are just learning the whole dslr thing and arent shooting client deliverables and weddings so in this regard the sensor is more than sufficient and handily smashes most point and shoots

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EOS Bodies / Re: 5Diii movie functions - realistic?
« on: March 01, 2012, 12:33:38 AM »
I agree: 60fps in 1080p would be a very welcomed feature, but I think it's just wishfull thinking. Hopefully at 720p!

I second that mate. But I too think it's wishfull thinking.
does the C300 do it even?
can magic lantern add it in?

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i think no one cared about MP until nikon released the d800...
Nope.

Some of us have been intrigued about the prospects of real high MP counts ever since Canon broke the news of their 50mp and 120mp prototype sensors, long before the D800 emerged.

Absolutely. The 120mp APS-H was probably one of the most intriguing pieces of news I heard from Canon the last couple years. (Its obviously a bit impractical right now, as few lenses can resolve 220lp/mm even at their best aperture (which is often lower than necessary to achieve that anyway), but its still intriguing to know its possible, and that producing something more realistic, such as a 47mp FF sensor, is within the realm of practical.)

So megapixels are largely for the cropping ability?  How many people out there do this?  I would think that unless you're shooting at 400mm to 600mm consistently, which would not be the majority of photographers, you could always just get a longer lens.   

I currently shoot sRAW and have taken less than 50 clicks using the full raw on the 5D Mark II as opposed to over 100k clicks using sRAW.  I personally would much rather have DR and other features than mpix.  Mpix is probably close to last on priority list.

Beyond 400mm f/5.6, "longer"...or for that matter faster...generally means "to the tune of an ungodly price". The 300/2.8 L, 400/4 DO, 500/5 L, 600/4 L, even the 200-400/4 L all cost WAY beyond what the average or even somewhat above average person can afford most of the time (barring winning the lottery, hefty inheritance, literally struck gold, etc...you know, those kinds of things that happen to ordinary people every day.) So sure, you could always get a longer lens...if the lens itself is within reach.

As for features, I'm in the camp that believes everything can be improved in a well-rounded way, rather than simply focusing on just one thing...such as just high ISO, or just more megapixels. We already have a 116lp/mm resolution 18mp APS-C sensor, and we know how well it performs with three-year old fabrication techniques and image processors. That is equivalent to a 47mp FF sensor, however a 47mp sensor released today that had exactly the same pixel pitch (density) as a three-year old 18mp APS-C sensor... It would have the benefit of three additional years of research into improving quantum efficiency, reducing read and thermal noise, improved manufacturing techniques that produce more effective microlensing, backlit rather than frontlit sensor fabrication, etc. etc.

Sure, I want better DR. I think we can get about two full stops of better DR, even on a 47mp FF sensor. I think we could have ISO 12800, possibly even ISO 25600 if you were willing to spend the money, along with a high 7-9fps frame rate, a decent AF system, AND better DR, all in one camera. Why? Well, the D800 performs pretty damn well on the DR and noise front for being a 36.3mp sensor, thanks to Sony Exmor technology which drastically lowers read noise (among other things). Because with an improved noise floor comes direct improvements in maximum ISO, by up to a stop. Improved quantum efficiency gained by say using a backlit sensor and/or improved microlensing would leave additional headroom, allowing for further gains on the maximum ISO front. I believe a 47mp full-frame sensor is possible because we already have numerous Canon cameras, from entry level to pro grade, using 18mp APS-C sensors that use the exact same pixel pitch, and (excluding low ISO read noise, which could be corrected at least by the Sony approach of embedding hyper parallelized ADC on-sensor) they perform extremely well.

I'd love to have ALL of that above right now, but I'd be happy to start with less than that and save myself some cache. Start with 32mp, maybe a stop improvement in DR, and one stop improvement to native high ISO (12800), coupled with a nice 61pt/21ct AF system, 100k RGB metering sensor, and I'll gladly spend $3500....in a heartbeat. I'd also gladly spend another $3500 three years down the road for that full 47mp, another extra stop in DR and maybe another extra stop of high ISO (and if thats not possible, well, we'll chalk it up to physical limitations, as that would most likely be why). I'd be quite comfortable with a 47mp, ISO 12800 (native), 61/21pt AF system that does at least 7fps for a LONG time. Even stuck with a 400mm lens, I'd at least have cropping power...and even the grand total of $7000 over three years is still half the $14000 price tag for a single, monstrous 600mm f/4 L series lens (something I wouldn't even consider myself fully qualified to use until I've had another several years of practice anyway.) (Do I think the price is too optimistic...maybe...but the D800 seems to be going for $3000, and its most of the way there already...so I don't think its unrealistic.)

If a 47MP FF had the same IQ as the 18MP APS-C I would be a sad panda (yes i will not only change brand of camera but species too  ;D )

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EOS Bodies / Re: So, what about the T4i?
« on: March 01, 2012, 12:26:44 AM »
i would hope the t4i debuts a new APS-C sensor that addresses the shortcomings of the existing 18MP sensor
also since the entry level is very sales driven based on that all important benchmark of pixels I think canon will need to trump the sony 24MP so i am guessing we will see a 27MP sensor (discalimer this can be taken as CR-3 since i just pulled that number out of my butt)

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark III - Body Price At Announcement
« on: February 29, 2012, 11:50:36 PM »
I see absolutely no point to upgrade to a 5D3.  Especially for a $1,000+ price increase.  61-point AF system?  Who cares?  Who shoots with multiple points anyway?  Center-point focus and recompose.  That's how any serious photographer shoots anyway.  Do people want their cameras to compose their shots for them too? 

Center-point focus and recompose. For everything. lol ;D ;D ;D

it doesn't work with AI servo :(  :'(

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EOS Bodies / Re: If this is the best the D800 can do...
« on: February 29, 2012, 11:20:24 PM »
http://www.fotosidan.se/forum/showpost.php?p=1792662&postcount=1457

I don't understand the language, but I'm assuming D800 samples reduced to 1600px. If this is the best this camera can do at ISO 1600+, the 5D MkII has nothing to fear let alone the Mk III!

Looks good to me. Can't wait for UPS to deliver mine  :)
what is your first lens gonna be? the 14-24? do yourself a favour and get the little 50mm f1.4G too ;)

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Landscape / Re: McArthur-Burney Falls - first time shooting waterfall
« on: February 29, 2012, 09:15:45 PM »
looks better, i'm glad you did the white balance too

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Surely a country as rich as the USA can afford colour printing? The US dollar looks like a third world currency!

We're working on it.  It's my understanding that there's a complicated plan, developed by a large team of highly-paid governmental officials, to fund the redesign of US currency by developing a method to monetize the savings in typing time and costs associated with both printing and electronic data transmission of not using all those extra letters you folks use in words like color...and traveler.   :P

who needs colour, everyone knows you can print faster in monochrome :P ok thats the last money printing joke i promise

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Video & Movie / Re: I want a better quality video For the 5dm3
« on: February 29, 2012, 08:36:10 PM »
since magic lantern can do all sorts of neat stuff why cant it enable 60fps1080p or 120 or 4k video for that matter since the sensor is big enough?

I dont know about all that voodoo stuff that goes on inside these things for all I know there is a squirrel inside a wheel driving the AF system... hang on that might explain!...

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, why is it that it's spread all over the world

printing presses working overtime?

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EOS Bodies / Re: Best part about 5D III?
« on: February 29, 2012, 06:39:26 PM »
What do people think will be the best feature or outcome of the release of the 5DIII?


Even better than any potential increase in dynamic range, will be the end to the incessant postings asking "should I buy a 5DII or wait for the 5DIII". I figure that we likely have 6 months of quiet repose before people start to ask whether they should wait for the 5D4.

Best feature...

that it can take photos?

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A Bank Statement is KING.

DARN RIGHT ahaha

Bank statements show debt too,

but as they say if you owe the bank a million $ you have a problem but if you owe a bank a trillion $ they have the problem

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Lighting / Re: Flash in sunlight?
« on: February 29, 2012, 06:28:45 PM »
I really wish ettl would display the flash power being used so you knew how much headroom you still had

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EOS Bodies / Re: *UPDATE* The Next 5D on March 2, 2012 [CR3]
« on: February 29, 2012, 06:13:42 PM »
My argument is not that the 5D2 has a 'pro AF' but that it is not as useless system as is regularly portrayed.

With a f/2.8 lens the 5D2 still is the best in low light on that centre point

PS I still would not classify the 7D as a pro AF either - just the best at that price point

Brian why are you lurking the Forums disguised as a 40D /EF-S shooter.... trying to hoodwink us eh?  :D

Because I got flamed for showing my kit. It seemed like the politics of envy raised its ugly head. I do have a 40D - this is the one I leave in the car in case I need a camera. I have had it for 4 years and wont get rid of it - it still works well within its limitations.
not wanting to give thieves a shopping list? common sense?

They would have to bring a truck to take it away and living in the middle of nowhere a truck is obvious and difficult to get up the track. I dont give a monkeys if people know what I have in the way of kit - just seems to offend them. I have enough smites because I am not a 7D fanboy so to invite more for the sake of a sig line is just a distraction that I cant be a***d with.

it also seems your pet smiter is still going strong, You must have REALLY hurt someones feelings :D

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EOS Bodies / Re: *UPDATE* The Next 5D on March 2, 2012 [CR3]
« on: February 29, 2012, 06:02:37 PM »
My argument is not that the 5D2 has a 'pro AF' but that it is not as useless system as is regularly portrayed.

With a f/2.8 lens the 5D2 still is the best in low light on that centre point

PS I still would not classify the 7D as a pro AF either - just the best at that price point

Brian why are you lurking the Forums disguised as a 40D /EF-S shooter.... trying to hoodwink us eh?  :D

Because I got flamed for showing my kit. It seemed like the politics of envy raised its ugly head. I do have a 40D - this is the one I leave in the car in case I need a camera. I have had it for 4 years and wont get rid of it - it still works well within its limitations.
not wanting to give thieves a shopping list? common sense?

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