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EOS Bodies / Re: DxOMark Sensor Performance: Nikon vs. Canon
« on: September 19, 2012, 01:21:53 PM »
All I'd like to know is how these test scores/difference in sensor performance impact you guys on a daily basis as photographers.
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Is no one else bothered by the piss poor max sync speed of the 6D?
I've been thinking about this for a little while now, but I still don't know the answer.
What does the "D" actually mean in camera model names such as 5D, 7D, 6D, 550D, D7000, D800, D90 and so on?
/Michael
New in the game?
If you want a nice camera, pay for it.
If you can't afford it, don't bitch about how Canon sold you short or how they should do something like a D600.
Another $1000 and you have a 5D3, get a job, earn some more, save some money and buy what you want rather than hope a manufacturer will give you something for nothing.
Wow, what a condescending post! You sir, are an asshole. I have had nothing but great experiences on this board until this whole 6D thing... and for some reason it's brought out the assholes.
I have a job... a really great one where I make plenty of money (and work hard for it). Photography for me (and a lot of people including the main people the 6D and D600 are aimed at) is a HOBBY. As such there are other places in our lives where we put money other than camera gear... and an enthusiast is always smart to shop for the best deal they can get with their dollars. That's what allows them to continue their hobby while keeping a balance with the rest of their lives.
Could I buy a MKIII? Absolutely! Do I need a MKIII? No. If I am spending $2000 (which is a decent sum for a hobby) do I want the best camera I can get? Yes! Is that best camera a D600? That is looking likely.
This is nothing personal. I'm not advocating that everyone jumps to Nikon or anything like that. But Canon does need to understand that the hobbyist is willing to leave for a better ship. I don't take change like this lightly, but when the facts are staring you in the face and you have to decide where to put your money... You cannot deny that the D600 offers MUCH more for the same price.
I'm not going anywhere just yet. I'm going to wait for the real reviews and make an informed decision... but right now it's not looking good.
Please get off your high horse and try to understand why the rest of us are dissappointed n this announcement...
+1, well said
You know in the mainstream all I see whenever a new body is realeased are people complaining about what it doesn't have. Like they're owed something by any one manufacturer, like anyone here actually cares about Canon as a company or that they actually care what the armchair commentators with no industry experience think.
People only care about them in hope that they will continue to support and deliver a decent product. If there was a clear advantage over any one system people would leave to go to that. There is no loyalty with consumers over a product. none whatsoever. I for one am sick and tired of people saying Canon had better sort themselves out or..or..or what exactly?
So what if it only has one cross type sensor. Who cares really? Why would anyone care other than they're invested in Canon glass and will lose money to switch. All completely selfish motives.
Peoples expectations are way too high. Canon doesn't care about you guys. They care about the bottom line. They want you to either upgrade from your crop sensor to full frame and your glass as a consequence (hey, they'd love you to have two bodies) but at the same time they don't want to piss off the pro's by giving you something to close to their pro product.
It isn't a pissing contest between two manufacturers. Canon really doesn't care about what Nikon does. If they did they would of delivered more. Nikon are the company eating their own young by confusing the marketplace and having lots of crossovers between bodies with cameras that don't even work properly.
Don't get me started on the light leak issue....
Any of these cameras out today are mindblowingly good. The 5D2 and 1Ds3 still take amazing pictures, they can be had cheaper / same price as the 6D and readily available. The 6D 'might' be out in December. Christ people are complaining about the release date too!
10-14 years ago we had film. Canon have delivered time and time again from the Eos-1V to the 1DX. I wish people would stop complaining about little things and go out and take some damn pictures instead. Actually use the cameras.
If a new release doesn't have the features you want, expect to buy a different body which has them. Canon will never cannibalise the pro segment to satisfy the consumer level products. Nikon might, Canon won't.
Lame. No innovations on either still or motion fronts. If canon continues at this rate they will lose huge market share. I never understand why the little guys are the ones left to do the innovating when the big guys are the ones with enough capital for some serious R&D work. Maybe they are happy selling millions of crappy point and shoots to teenage girls.
What sort of innovations were you hoping for? Canon did change everything with the 5D and 5D II, give them a break. Or switch to something else, you are free to do so. It's a company, not make a wish foundation, they here to make money, not cater to all sorts of weird ass needs on less than a mid-range product. I'll probably get one, I think. I'd like a full frame camera, but not enough to get the 5D III.
Give them a break?? Giving them a break is saying "alright, you deserve a break, don't come to work tomorrow, and actually don't come back at all, we don't need someone who isn't innovative or can't provide people with their needs".
Yes, Canon did a lot with the DSLR world through the 5D and Mk2, so naturally there's the eager anticipation for something huge. Now, an "entry-leve FF" by Nikon provides high IQ uncompressed video and great features all around, and the overall is fantastic compared to the 6D, and that's with Nikon users complaining about what the D600 is lacking in...
Why are you defending a major corporation? Sure they're here to make money and they can do what they want, but that doesn't mean users can't express their dissatisfaction.
And weird needs?? In the digital world your "I want FF" is a weird need so what are you talking about?
Personally, I think GPS and Wifi are weird and unnecessary, I see the benefit users can have with them in workflow and connectivity, but think they're bells on an underperforming and overpriced device.
Lame. No innovations on either still or motion fronts. If canon continues at this rate they will lose huge market share. I never understand why the little guys are the ones left to do the innovating when the big guys are the ones with enough capital for some serious R&D work. Maybe they are happy selling millions of crappy point and shoots to teenage girls.
I just did a quick tally too, amongst the photogs I know 3 use Nikon, the rest, a bunch of 15 I guess use Canon. None have switched to nikon and the commercial/advertising photogs I know shoot mainly DMF. So yeah, so much for on the fly statistics.
What is "DMF", digital medium format?
I'm so jumping on this wagon, bulky body is the major reason i don't want a 1Dx I would love an APS-H sensor in a 5Dmk3 body too
I think most of those whining about the flex of an add-on grip are only familiar with the current ones, which indeed have some flex, but haven't tried the one I posted. It was quite solid - as solid as a current 1D body, I'd say. And it wouldn't be hard at all to make it even stiffer than it was way back then.