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EOS-M / Re: Is the canon eos-m a dead end system?
« on: March 01, 2014, 11:31:42 AM »
How do you know that??  Millions of people bought Rebel/xxxD cameras last year.  They plunked down their hard-earned money to buy very good and functional cameras that can take excellent pictures.  Millions more will do the same thing this year.  But you're saying they didn't want to, they had no choice, they were forced to spend several hundred dollars, for a product they didn't want, for a hobby?  Get a clue. 

It just baffles me how people can think that their own personal opinion is universally shared by everyone, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

You have your opinions. And I am entitled to mine. Just deal with it. I am sick and tired of your condescending and derogatory tone. Cut it out.   

My opinion is: Canon did give "limited budget" amateurs willing to spend no more than 1 grand for body + kit lens no choice other than Digital Rebels (DSLRs) ... and a very non-compelling, crippled EOS-M. Slow AF, no WiFi, no viewfinder, no built-in flash ... and a 2 or 3 "lens line-up". It only sold once it was dumped at USD 299,-  because it is such a limited camera "system".

As evidenced by APS-C MILC sales of other makers [most notably Sony and Fujifilm; possibly Samsung NX is also selling in Asia], a good number (many millions) of "Rebel-class" buyers would be more than happy to buy a more compact mirrorless Canon EOS, provided it is "fully competitive" - in photographic capabilities and in price.

It is really ridiculous that Canon does not offer this choice - desirable mirrorless vs. stale Rebel/Kiss DSLRs.
I consider it a huge mistake on Canon's part that they have no EOS M2 that matches Sony's A6000 or Fujifilm XE-2 all the way [sensor and AF] and no EOS-M3 that fully matches something like a Fujifilm XT-1.

The extremly narrow EF-M lens-lineup could be overcome by a nice published road-map (like other makers who act much mor customer-friendly than arrogant CaNikon) and even more so by means of the existing EF-/EF-M adapter, IF AF-performance would still be "decent enough" with existing EF/EF-S lenses mounted via that adapter. Unfortunately this is not the case with the current EOS-M and for all I have read so far, neither with the M2. 

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EOS-M / Re: Is the canon eos-m a dead end system?
« on: March 01, 2014, 09:36:24 AM »
Who really wants that stream of completely uninspired annual iterations of the next tired "Digital Rebel mirrorslapper" with all their sorry little "mirror-prism"- OVF peepholes and no thumbwheel?

Apparently millions of people want that...  You may not, but you're in the minority.

Millions of people dide not really want it ... but were not offered anything else at prices affordable to regular income earners with photography being one of their hobbies.

An EOS-M2 sized as is, but with 70D sensor (= with useable AF), priced like an SL-1 and a higher-end EOS-M3 equipped with best-in-class EVF, wheathersealing and RT-speedlite trigger, sized and priced like a Fujifilm XT-1 ... would be the only ticket for Canon to replace sales of all those rebels nobody will want to buy any longer a year or two from now ... maybe not even @ USD 299,- in firesales.

As observed so often, Canon is again acting very shortsightedly. Re. APS-C MILCs. Not to mention re. FF-MILCs.

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EOS-M / Re: Is the canon eos-m a dead end system?
« on: March 01, 2014, 08:43:53 AM »
I recently used the EOS-M + 18-55 I STM & 22 f/2 lenses for my vacation in Australia and it was a great setup ... very light and easy to carry around without feeling the weight. But after having tried the Sony a7, I started looking into the Sony line of mirrorless cameras and am very impressed with them ... there are at least a couple of Sony mirrorless cameras that are priced similar to the EOS-M and do a far better job of auto focus, please their 16-50mm kit lens is far more compact  and wider focal length then the EOS-M kit lens i.e. 24mm (Sony) vs 28mm (EOS-M) ... but if you are used to Canon menu system, you will find the EOS-M a lot more user friendly (especially the touch screen) then the Sony menu system ... personally (despite the better menu system of EOS-M), I prefer the Sony mirrorless cameras, because they have far more native lenses, great in-camera apps, slightly bigger sensor and good tilt screen that come in very handy for mirrorless cameras.

It really is a shame, that Canon has not come up with a competitive EOS-M, forcing one to choose either IQ+AF-performance + lens-lineup (Sony, Fuji) or the truly superior and nicely-familiar Canon-interface.

At least the EOS-M2 should have come with the 70D sensor, plus full-speed AF also with EF-/EF-S lenses mounted via the EF/EF-M adapter and just a few more good EF-M lenses, e.g. a nice 'n sharp 10mm/4.0 "landscape pancake" and  a compact, decent 75mm/2.8 light portrait tele ... it would have really kicked ass. 

Plus announcement of a higher-end wheathersealed EOS-M3 with an even better EVF than the Fuji XT-1 ...

Canon would have been back on track to dominate the APS-C segment [DSLRs -> MILCs] for the next 10 years at least. And it would have put tremendous pressure on Nikon and Sony. But no ... sigh

Who really wants that stream of completely uninspired annual iterations of the next tired "Digital Rebel mirrorslapper" with all their sorry little "mirror-prism"- OVF peepholes and no thumbwheel?

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EOS-M / Re: Is the canon eos-m a dead end system?
« on: February 18, 2014, 01:55:48 AM »
Look at the eos-m and the ef-m mount: a whopping outer diameter of 58mm and clearance only 43mm. Had they made the throat just 2mm wider, the system would have been fully ff-capable. Neither the eos-m itself nor the ef-m lenses for aps-c would have been any larger in size. But canon would have had a mirrorless ff option ready to go. So much for "Canon being oh so smart and plans ahead in every detail". :-)

They are ... plain stupid. That's why only japanese schoolgirls buy their pink snapshot cameras. That's why they had to sell the eos m at firesale price in the us and abandon the market with EOS-M. That's why Fujifilm is coming back with a vengeance, turning into an additional and very real competitor. Because Fuji created a hi-end interchangeable lens mirrorless ecosystem. Yes, it's also APS-C only for the moment [don't have the details at hand re. their lens mount, maybe it is FF-capable], but they got some very decent mirrorless cameras with evf (or hybrid) viewfinder built right in and a decent range of very decent lenses.

Canon? Decides to bring an ultrastupid g1x without viewfinder and with bolted-on lens instead. EOS-m in red and white. EOS-M2 with Wifi in Asia only. Meanwhile Sony takes a very respectable first stab at ultracompact, hi-end ff-sensored milcs. Nobody thought it was possible this small. As soon as the next, slightly better generation of these ff-milcs arrives, ***DSLR-Armaggedon*** will really set in full scale ... for Canon and Nikon.

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EOS-M / Re: Is the canon eos-m a dead end system?
« on: February 17, 2014, 05:23:32 PM »
You are mistaken. The eos-m mount can physically not handle an ff image circle. Sony was smarzer and made their e-mount just barely large enough to also handle ff. Canon was stupid, as so often. Aps-c only.


Can you explain why this is not possible? The flange distance is 18mm for both Sony E-mount and EF-M mount and they have approximately the same diameter.


It was discussed here and elsewhere many times over. Just scroll down on the dpreview article:
http://www.dpreview.com/previews/canon-eos-m

While the ef-m mount has a huge 58mm outrr diamezer it has a freakin narrow throat. So small, that neither canon is ashamed to provide the specs. It must be a couple mm less than the sony e-mount which has a clearance of 46.1mm. Ef-m is definitely not ff-capable.

A HUGE mistake by canon. They did not believe, sony cokld come up with a small bodied, hi-spec FF-sensored a7/R. And got burned.

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EOS-M / Re: Is the canon eos-m a dead end system?
« on: February 17, 2014, 03:55:02 PM »
Someone said it was a mistake to put a crop sensor in it, I don't get why that would be a mistake. It's still a well performing sensor and what is there to say that they can't make an m full frame? The mount as such wouldn't be an obstacle as far as I understand.  It would be kind of cool if Canon offered both crop and full frame versions of the m will all the nice lenses.

You are mistaken. The eos-m mount can physically not handle an ff image circle. Sony was smarter and made their e-mount just barely large enough to also handle ff. Canon was stupid, as so often. Aps-c only. Dead-slow AF. Same tired old 18 MP sensor, a dinosaur from 5 years ago. Bad low iso performance. Poor hi-iso performance.

Dead end.  only fire-sellable at usd 299 including kit lens and useless external flash.

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EOS-M / Re: Is the canon eos-m a dead end system?
« on: February 17, 2014, 01:11:53 PM »
But, it isn't any more of a dead end than any other mirrorless interchangeable lens system.

EOS-M is currently a much "deader end" than any other interchangeable-lens mirrorless system on the market today, with the notable exception of Nikon 1 and Pentax Q systems.

* mFT ecosystem
* Fuji X system
* Sony Alpha A7/R plus ZE-lenses
* Sony NEX/Alpha [APS-C -mount]
* Samsung NX
for all there are new bodies and new lenses coming onstream ... and sold everywhere - including the US and Europe.


I actually do hope, the current EOS-M turns out to be a dead end ... BUT ONLY IF ... Canon realizes they made a mistake with it (APS-C sensor, no EVF, no powerful AF-system) and comes up with a truly impressive FF-sensored mirrorless EOS-line ... bodies and lenses, budget and hi-end stuff galore ...  :)

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: In-Depth Review: Tamron 150-600 f/5-6.3 VC
« on: February 14, 2014, 04:40:46 PM »
I din't need a 600mm lens and even if i did i would not consider the tamron lens, because tamron is not willing to equip their lenses in ef-version with matching zoomring anf focus ring rotation direction. As long as they make their lenses nikon style only Which causes lost shots for canon users, i will not buy from them. I liked the optical quality of the tamron 17-50/2.8, but sold it after a few months for this reason and got the canon 17-55 instead. I also trll the tamron people at any tradeshow i visit, that their products are seriously flawed.

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Not from Canon of course ...but some Chinese will be clever enough to build and sell a couple million of those and make a fortune ... at USD 49,- a piece.  :-)

Some Chinese first have to reverse engineer the protocol, and Yongnuo won't share - so this leaves Yongnuo themselves, and they'll be even cleverer and sell rt-integrated flashes and studio gear for much more than $49 :-p

we'll see ... quickest and easiest buck to be made are those transceivers. They'd sell by themselves ... even at USD 99 a piece. :-)

And it would not keep Yongnuo from additionally selling YN-600EX-RT plus YN-430EX-RT plus a series of studio strobes with integrated RT-transceivers.  For all those who either have no 580/430ies or prefer to have flashlites/strobes without having to fiddle around with separate transceivers and separate batteries. :-)

A complete RT system still has the follwing components:
1) ST-E3-RT trigger
2) large RT speedlite - 600EX-RT
3) smaller RT speedlite - "430EX-RT" (possibly slave only)
4) RT-transceiver
5) series of 3 or 4 Wh sRT-studio strobes

Since the components compliment each other - depending on individually needed/desired setup(s) - offering a complete system and leaving customers a choice would provide significantly higher sales revenues and total profit compared to only offering components 1 and 2. It appears Canon wants to learn this the hard way.  ;D

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I think you're going to have a LONG wait on those 580's and 430's....they are only optical and no radio capabilities at all. I don't think canon will have any programs coming soon to retro fit them to be radio capable.

I know, they are optical. But no need to "retrofit" 'em. All that's needed is a cheap RT-compatible radio-transceiver underneath each 580/430. I believe, we are going to get them soon. Not from Canon of course ...but some Chinese will be clever enough to build and sell a couple million of those and make a fortune ... at USD 49,- a piece.  :-)

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I see it other way round: no reason why such a trivial electronic device like a radio flash trigger should cost more than 100 Euros retail (including 20% VAT!). No matter whether it has Yongnuo, Canon or Louis Vuitton written all over it.

I see the relative value of the Canon and Yongnuo units at par: while the latter has moe functionality (AF-assist for any camera) and group-function (also for pre-2012 Canon camera models), the Canon thing might not be as easily shut-down by some electronic curveballs coming from Canon in their 2014 camera models. Yes I know, the Yongnuo hat a USB port and can be firmware-upgraded. But still ...

But again ... both of them should not cost any more than 100 Euro or USD ... landed cost.

Personally I am not going to purchase any Canon-RT stuff, before there is an even less expensive RT-Transceiver available from either Canon or Yongnuo or anybody else out there. Then I will get one ST-E3 trigger and 3 transceivers to radio-trigger my existing 580 II and 430 IIs ... and will quickly snatch another 3 used-but-like-new 580 IIs ... before any of you do. :-)


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Lenses / Re: More EF pancakes?
« on: February 11, 2014, 05:13:28 AM »
Interesting. It's true that pancakes capture less.

capture less of what?

Both angle of view and image quality of the EF 40/2.8 pancake are certainly fully up to spec.
I would absolutely love to get a similarly compact, optically good and dirt-cheap 20mm/f 3.5 or f/4.0
Personally I am not interested in EF 24 IS and even less so in the 28 IS oder 35 IS - too much money for what they are. I'll rather get a 24-70 II, which kills them all in one lens. 

Other than a 20/3.5 or 4.0 I would also be interested in an ultra-compact EF 75mm/2.8 (IS).

And I'd prefer all those pancakes to be "AF-only", without any manual focus ring & gear on them, but fully wheather-sealed instead. :-)

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Quite strange. If yongnuo really moves to usd 299 they won't be selling many more.
I'd say Time to lean back a bit ... wait and see, how it develops.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Will Canon Answer the D4s? [CR2]
« on: February 08, 2014, 12:35:56 PM »
I'd be more worried about your market size.   :P

don't worry. All the cameras in my dreams are really great. None of them is marketing-crippled. They'll sell like hot-cakes.  8)

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EOS Bodies / Re: Will Canon Answer the D4s? [CR2]
« on: February 07, 2014, 04:51:25 PM »
actually, I AM dreaming of starting a REALLY RIGHT digital camera company. :-)

Design of the product lineup and selling it would be really easy. Sourcing of components is what concerns me.

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