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Lenses / Re: Lots of New Lenses Coming in 2014 [CR2]
« on: November 12, 2013, 06:52:33 AM »
I cannot speak from own experience to the performance of the lenses mentioned. Most likely all of them are "more than good enough", including "professional use". But I have also seen many of the comparison tests and come to mostly the same conclusions as messus, as far as relative performance of the Canon L's he specifically mentioned compared to other manufacturers lenses is concerned. Considering the pprices of these Canon L lenses, they ought to be not only have goood build quality and good AF but also 100% competitive IQ.

And compared to the Nikon 14-24 which even today still beats almost any prime lens in its range, the Canon 16-35 II is simply "sub-par". I consider it a shame for Canon and a pity for its customers, that they are not able to come up with fully competitive or better (!) L lenses. No Canon L lens should not be beaten in the IQ department by a "lowly" Samyang . Not ever.

Consider this, most of the best photographs ever taken were taken on quite lowly kit...Steve McCurry, Cartier Bresson...to name a few.

Quite to the contrary. Their gear was NOT lowly. It was the most advanced, very best and definitely not cheap COMPACT + LIGHT, ROBUST and FAST-OPERABLE camera gear available of their times.

1984, Afghanistan: McCurry used a Nikon FM2 (launched only in 1982) + Nikkor 105/2.5 (presumably the AI-S version launched in 1981) http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/105f25.htm 

HCB used Leica M from the 30ies onward.   

Both chose the smallest, IQ-wise fully competent gear available at their time. Not lowly, inexpensive, marketing-crippled gear.
In November 2013 the equivalent would be Sony's A7R with matching Zeiss ZE 55/2.8 and 35/2.8 prime lenses. While far less expensive than a Canon 1D X or D4 plus clunky f/2.8 zooms, the A7R is a very compact system, delivering better IQ than any of these DSLR behemoths. :-)

Unless one needs to or wants to shoot long tele lenses. But then please, don't quote HCB (50mm lens) or McCurry (of whom I do not know a single image taken at more than 135mm focal length). :-)

EOS-M / Re: The Next EOS M in 2014 [CR2]
« on: November 11, 2013, 06:34:56 PM »
if Canon again "forgets" to put a grip on the EOS-M II, you Mr. Franiec might come to the rescue. Grip for the current EOS-M can be had now: http://www.sansmirror.com/newsviews/franiec-grips.html

EOS-M / Re: The Next EOS M in 2014 [CR2]
« on: November 11, 2013, 06:12:29 PM »
might sell a few copies if they bring it at USD 299,- right at launch this time.

Me? No buy. Me wants FF sensor and EVF. :-)

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Japan Teases a White Kiss
« on: November 11, 2013, 05:31:22 PM »
So do you have proof it is a poor business decision, meaning in revenue not your desired piece of equipment.  This is also being marketed to a certain region of the world.  Where is this lack of competiveness you are claiming?  Again the expected answer requires cold hard facts.

not at all. Proof is in the pudding. :-)
I don't owe you or any other Canon fanboy and Canon lobbyists a thing.
Get your cold facts yourself ... or wait until they materialize in CaNikon's next financial reports. Suit yourself. 

I'll just lean back and keep watching Canon's announcement.  But .. I'll continue to hold my wallet tight and my checkbook online banking account closed ... and will pass up on Canon's white kisses or any other sub-par stuff they may try to throw at me.

Until they go under or come up with an FF mirrorless the size of Sony's A7R with a better sensor (!), better IQ , better EVF and way better AF .. at less than 2000 Euros. And some nice ultracompact pancake prime lenses to go woth it. 20/4, 40/2.8 [got that already, so adapter will do] and a 85/2.0 IS.

Whatever comes first. Now go figure.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Japan Teases a White Kiss
« on: November 11, 2013, 04:09:36 PM »
... Canon does not have to justify their business decisions to you, even if you think it is lame.

No. And we don't have to justify making fun of Canon' poor business decisions and criticizing them for producing crap like white kiss cameras instead of gear that is at least fully competitive, not to mention innovative. And you lnow what: we don't even care for the well-known canon paid canon lobbyists and assorted canon fanboys on this forum, who will always rush to canon's defense, no matter how ridiculous and off the mark their newest product offerings may be. :-)

EOS Bodies / Re: Patent: A Pellicle Mirror by Canon
« on: November 11, 2013, 10:39:50 AM »
Done right it could be a perfectly good idea where the gains far, far outweigh the loss of a little bit of light.

No. Pellicle-mirrored = does nothing, a mirrorless camera will not do much better.

Mirrorless actually combines EVF (considered as a disadvantage by many DSLR users) and all the bulk of a DSLR. Plus light loss and possible degradation of IQ due to reflections on top. That's one of the reasons, why Sony is quitting their SLT line of cameras. Dead end!

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Japan Teases a White Kiss
« on: November 11, 2013, 10:30:33 AM »
How ingenious! First ever camera in WHITE!
Congratulations, Canon!
And 1000 white kisses!


Thank you, thank you, thank you!

 :P  ;D

Lenses / Re: Lots of New Lenses Coming in 2014 [CR2]
« on: November 11, 2013, 03:36:00 AM »
Still no comments or expectations for DO lenses?

I hope we won't ever see another DO lens or Canon cameras with pellicle mirror or any other optical dead end.

Thanks, but no thanks. 70-300DO ... one of the most grossly overpriced and underperforming Canon lenses ever. 

The Canon EF 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6 DO IS USM Lens circular aperture makes out of focus points of light very round for a 6-blade aperture, but I don't care for the way the DO makes points of light into rifle target-like bokeh. Here is an example ...

The bullseyes do not show up often in real use, but a DO-caused bright, blurry halo shows itself more frequently. It shows up in out of focus areas - especially when the 70-300 DO's aperture is opened up. Some like it and call it dreamy - I personally don't like it. Here is an example ...


And the 400DO is a poor performer as well.

Contrast is the Canon EF 400mm f/4 DO IS USM Lens' optical shortcoming - which also hurts the apparent sharpness performance. I found that most of my shots needed a healthy contrast boost in post-processing (or a positive in-camera contrast setting). I could easily tell which image was taken with the 400 DO when looking at comparative shots on a monitor. ...
Even the Canon 100-400mm L has better contrast when the vignetting in the full frame corners at 400mm does not get in the way.

Lenses / Re: Lots of New Lenses Coming in 2014 [CR2]
« on: November 11, 2013, 02:20:46 AM »
You can only speak for yourself. As far as myself is concerned, I think that the logo "Canon" means the foremost quality possible, and the red ring is almost the equivalent of the Holy Grail. You see, there's a reason why they say: You get what you pay for!!!!


As long as canon has enough customers like you, we won't get better lenses, reasonable prices or fully comprtitive sensors from them.

Lenses / Re: Lots of New Lenses Coming in 2014 [CR2]
« on: November 10, 2013, 12:31:50 PM »
8 lenses .. well let's see:

for EF-M
EF-M 40/2.8 IS Macro
EF-M 50-150/3.5-5.6  [but not sold/serviced in USA]

for EF-S
EF-S 18-55/3.5-5.6 IS Mk. III
EF-S 18-200/3.5-5.6 IS Mk. II

for EF, Non-L
EF 58/1.4 IS @ USD/€ 1,190
EF 50/1.8 IS @ USD/€ 790

EOS 1000/8.0 L IS @ USD/€ 44,990
EOS 70-200/4 L IS Mk. II @ USD/€ 1,790


oh yes! Canon will absolutely dominate "the future of photography" with the SL-1.

No, you're wrong.  Nikon will dominate with the Df.   ::)  ::)  ::)

hehe! SL-1 vs. Df will duke it out.

Looking at these "fabulous" DSLRs and the equally fabulous mirrorless alternatives available, it shoukd not come as a surprise, that potential buyers simply refuse to buy. Even consumers and prosumers have learned and are smart enough to not waste their money on cameras like the Df or SL1 but rather sit back and wait just a little longer, until decent (FF) mirrorless cameras become available at affordable prices. Including a "mirrorless digital rebel" (FF) at USD/€ 999.

If the Sony A7 will not sell well this may already happen in Q1/Q2 of 2014. :-)

I think mirrorless is just a flash in the pan.
I think Canon got it right with the SL1 (100D). As soon as the price comes down, it will mean a big hit to the sales of EVF cameras.

oh yes! Canon will absolutely dominate "the future of photography" with the SL-1.
And the new SL-1 in white will quelch any desire for a FF mirrorless camera for good. 
Way to go Canon!   

I tried to leave the mirror slap 1.5 years ago. Got myself an OMD EM5. Used it for a year. Took it for a trip but hated the shooting experience so much the camera stayed in my bag most of the time even though it was always with me. Hated the EVF. Hated the ergonomics. Sold the camera and plunged headlog back into the world of DSLRs.

I hear you. We are almost there. One more push ... Better EVF, better AF. Soon.


and in the meanwhile nikon may die and you will be here bashing canon and supporting who... sony, pentax, Samsung? lol

I am just observing the market. And looking out for my next camera after my 7d. I still like it.  And it'll soon have been my last DSLR. Bye bye mirror slap. :-)

You might be half right. 'Good' won't cut it...what's needed is good and cheap.  That's what was behind the success of SLRs - getting them into the hands of 'the masses'. Those folks are buying entry level dSLRs, and until mirrorless offers similar performance in a similar price range (<$800), mirrorless will remain a niche market.

absolutely. Remember 2003? Canon? "Digital Rebel" @ USD/€  999,- ? First "good enough" and truly affordable DSLR. Huge success, DSLRs became ubiquituos.

10 yeras later. 2013. Time for a FF mirrorless "digital rebel". Although, even then the rush will not be as big this time. In 2003 those smartphones did not take very good stills. Not to mention halfway-decent video. In one small package. ;-)

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