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It seems that there are people with hatred of the old and good mirror. :P If relying on my opinion, there may be interesting mirrorless cameras for specific uses, such as photo studio and landscape. But I honestly do not see a future where mirrorless will do better, what 1DX does today. ::) Ironically, Canon has the most revolutionary technology to mirrorless (dual pixel AF) and not yet built any mirrorless camera with this asset.  ???

I have no hatred against the "good old" mirror. It has served me as well as it has served most of us here ... for many years up to now. When the world was still mechanical and analogue, mirror plus prism were the best possible way to let photographers see the world exactly as the their cameras were seeing it. No more "parallax problems" as with any rangefinder or two-eyed camera ... it works with any lens of any focal length from ultra-wide-angle to super-tele. The moving mirror also allowed cameras to measure ambient light levels "Through the lens" (TTL) and adding "auto-exposure" later on.

The advantage over rangefinders was so large, that over time (1960s & 1970s) the overwhelming majority of photographers anywhere on earth was willing to accept the increase in size of the cameras to provide the space for mirrorbox and prism. In the long history of pohotography and cameras, it was the first time ever, that larger boxes succeeded smaller ones. Up to then, it had alsways been the other way round: smaller, lighter, faster gear that could be used in many more places and in many more situations than the larger gear before. Maybe some compromise in image quality [smaller format imaging surface], but always huge advantages in the ability to actually GET shots: speed, handling, less bulk, less weight. That's why Oscar Barnacks invention and the small & light rangefinders were so successful. All of a sudden photographers could easily leave their studios and roam the streets, capture images "in situ" at all sorts of events from weddings to inaugurations to olympic games and any sort of sports competition.

Size does matter! :)

Thanks to digital imaging we now have the possibility to take things back on track: making phtographic devices smaller again, ending the "SLR detour". Combining everything that has made SLRs so successful [TTL, "seeing the framing as it will be captured"] with the superior portability and flexibility of small rangefinder cameras along with very compact lenses for the focal range used to capture probably more than 90% of all stills pictures [24mm to 100mm]. And "seeing the image as it will be recorded" ... in real time. [EVF with no discernible lag or blackout between shots].

In addition we can finally jettison all mechanical, moving parts inside a camera, allowing for much faster, more responsive, absolutely vibration-free and totally silent cameras. They stay perfectly calibrated and deliver crisp images in all sorts of environments and ambient temperatures and can be much better protected against dust and liquids (all it takes is a hi-grade, optically neutral protective piece of glass directly behind the lens mount) and against shocks / G-forces (any cheap USB-stick survives a drop from 5 feet onto concrete floor).

Basically we are talking about exactly the same advantages solid state "disks" (SSD) have over hard drive disks (HDD). And why and how quickly much smaller "solid state" memory has been replacing larger storage media that involves mechanics and moving parts. USB-sticks, flash cards vs. CDs, DVDs ... same thing. 

Size matters. Speed matters. Convenience matters. And ... price matters. :-)

Luckily, "Solid State Cameras" are much cheaper to build (even with today's tech) since they can be assembled fully automated by fairly simple robots and/or by a much smaller, fairly unskilled and cheaper workforce than DSLRs. Far less hassle than aligning tiny mechanical components. Far easier to control quality. No lubrication oil splattering around inside an opto-mechanical precision device. No mis-alignment of mirror or sub-mirror assembly possible. No mis-alignment of AF-sensor and sensor focal plane possible. No mis-alignment of matte-screen and/or viewfinder prism possible. Image will always be captured by sensor "as seen on screen" [EVF and large screen on back].

Full, unfettered "video capability", no obstacles in the lightpath. Not that I personally would care for video. But camera makers seem to care about it all day long. ;-)

Yes, there are still a few challenges to be met and problems to be solved. But really nothing too difficult. AF-speed ... solely dependent on processing power and smart algorithms ... the latter can be implemented via firmware upgrade. Battery charge ... with clever design 500+ shots would be possible today in a still very compact body size with ergonomic grip and more battery charge, as better battery tech gets available. Still better EVFs ... no problem, they are coming fast and almost for free as a byproduct of ever improving smartphone technology. 

So all that's needed is Canon (and Nikon) moving ahead rather than holding back. I do not want to buy another old-tech, soon obsolete mechanical beast. I want my solid state camera, and I want it soon. :-)   

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Quote from: mkabi link=topic=18856.msg354454#
... yet you've just put down (as in insulted) all the existing MILCs out there...

oO buddy ... I feel so bad now. Having insulted all existing mirrorless cameras must be a terrible and despicable crime. Not to mention my repeated insults hurled at big fat old and ugly mirrorslapping DSLRs. oO ... I am guilty indeed.

In order to minimize the damage I urge you all to go and spend your hard-earned or not so hard-earned money on insufficient mirrorless consumer crap and on antiquated last century tech mechanical mirrorslapping beasts ... Yes, go and buy buy buy, fill the coffers of those incredibly brave and innovative camera companies. Splurge on half- and quarter-sized sensors, on viewfinder- and clueless consumer devices, on mirrored and submirrored professional devices, don't hesitate, buy, buy buy, spend spend spend ...since i will have to chastise myself and withhold from indulging in the pleasures of this world's cameras ... I will have to wait and watch .. Until redemption day finally arrives and i am given my prize, my treasure ... The holy grail ...only to the faithful few  ...  a wonderfully perfect, small light and incredibly compezent camera without any moving mechanical parts ... Truly digital ... Capturing photons and converting them into electrons directly, without detour ... No smoke, no mirrors.
ROFL
;-)


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I mean, obvioiusly I'm comparing his A7R to your EOS M, and they may be apples to oranges, but really.... Canon may already have a A7R killer... just saying.
In fact, if I'm not wrong, Sony themselves may have an A7R killer, it is called the NEX 7?

no ... on all counts. Everything mirrorless except the Sony A7/R is just a 5c gumball game. :-)

  • EOS-M has no viewfinder, no built-in flash, no 135 sensor. It has just sold due to 5c gumball firesale price
  • Sony NEX-7 is too large for a crop sensor and has a god-awful, unusable NEX user-interface.
  • mFT and 1" all have too small a sensor for still too large body and lenses
  • EOS-M2 has small enough body, but not even the Japanese got a compact "folding-design" kitzoom for it
  • Nikon brings such a compact folding-design DX 18-55 VR II kit zoom, without having a matching mirrorless body
call it funny or just plain stupid.

Not funny: Sony A7/R unfortunately is not good enough ... I am really grateful for the user reviews here! Saves me having to purchase one and find out myself.
sigh.  :-\

So I correct my previous post. I want a "Sony A8R killer" from Canon. Whatever it's called, make it good, make it 36x24 sensored and make it free of moving parts. :-)

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It seems that we are reaching a consensus on the absurdity of wanting a mirrorles that is full frame and while it is small and lightweight.

no way.

I still want a "Sony A7R killer" from Canon. Small & light with a few native pancake fixed-focal lenses, when I want to go small and light. Extremely powerful and responsive with an excellent user interface. Simple, but fully functional, no compromise in AF-speed adapter with Arca-swiss grooved tripod socket for all EF-lenses. AF speed, AF-spread, fps, responsiveness and full photographic control even better than 1D X ... thanks to fully articulated touchscreen and brilliant EVF. WiFI, NFC, GPS and RT radio wireless flash controller all built-in. Battery charge 500+ shots. Absolutely silent and vibration-free fully electronic shutter. No more mechanically moving components whatsoever inside. A "solid state" digital camera in a robust, IP67-sealed hi-grade Carbon fiber outer shell and a strong steel chassis underneath. 

In essence: 1D X = large old-style mechanical hard disk drive (HDD).
What I want is very simple: a modern, sweet little high-performance SSD.  :-)

Price? Like a Sony A7R ... around 2k, since all the expensive to manufacture, assemble, adjust and quality-assure mirror-slapping crap and chunky prism are not needed any longer. :-)

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So no mention of release date.  What good is this information other than to stifle sales of the D4?

It's a lot of information. "No new sensor", is the first thing I read in the announcement. Nothing about "high res".
So it will be the same old 16MP D4 sensor , probably in the "improved" Df version. No increase in fps. Slightly tweaked AF algortihms (no new AF module). Slightly improved new "X peed" chip. Somewhat better video. Maybe, just maybe WiFi built in. Yawn.  :P

Instead of a kick-butt D4x based on the 36MP D800/E sensor plus revolutionary new dual-pixel AF.  ;D
WiFi, NFC, GPS and radio wireless flash commander built-in. Along with 2 matching radio-controlled CLS/iTTL speedlites and transceivers for existing older speedlites, instead of continued stone-age optical triggering. ;D

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PowerShot / Re: Canon PowerShot N100 Official
« on: January 06, 2014, 06:07:15 PM »
So, is that it for Canon at CES?

oh no, Canon has also announced another two "highly innovative"  :P dwarf-sensored, old-style compact cameras ... Elph 340 and SX 600 ... http://www.dpreview.com/news/2014/01/06/small-cameras-large-zoom-canon-s-new-powershot-elph-340-and-sx600?utm_campaign=internal-link&utm_source=news-list&utm_medium=text&ref=title_0_7

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PowerShot / Canon is SOOOOO INNOVATIVE!
« on: January 06, 2014, 02:10:23 PM »
kudos, Canon! A new dream camera. So innovative. The future of photography! Snapper and Snappeee in ONE picture! How great! Wow! And such a CUTE LITTLE sensor!

This will secure market domination in stills photography for many years to come.   :P

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Mirrorless AF is improving, but true phase AF with a dedicated sensor is still superior, especially for tracking movement.

What else does one need?  How about an electronic viewfinder approaching the quality of optical. We're not there yet.  Decent battery life would be nice, too.

Sony A7/R has proven how small a mirrorless camera with a top notch FF sensor can be built.

There are no technical reasons precluding an AF-system better than 1D X, battery charge for 500+ shots and even higher res EVF with no perceptible lag (or blackout) ... any time soon. It will come. It will sell. Very well. :-)

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Canon General / Re: Are Metal Mounts Better Than Plastic?
« on: January 05, 2014, 12:29:05 PM »
That pretty well sums up DSLR "weather-sealing". It will survive being in the rain, but as soon as there is any pressure, the game is up. Splashproof is a much better word....

Well, I can't speak for you, but the weather has never submerged me in water.  Jumping in a pool or diving into the ocean aren't 'weather' - and anyone who does so holding their weather-sealed dSLR+lens expecting them to survive is an idiot.

So, I think 'weather sealed' is an appropriate term.  However, I agree that testing to an industry standard would be much better.

agree 100%. Appropriate Industry standard exists.

On their german website Ricoh rates its Pentax K-50 DSLR as "protected according to IPX2" ... which would not mean much, since an ingress prtotection rating of IPX2 only means "Protection against direct sprays of water up to 15o from the vertical." 
http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/ip-ingress-protection-d_452.html

While I do not know, whether or not Ricoh has indepentently tested/certified the K-50 or just makes a claim, I juist love it that for once a camera manufcaturer quotes a specific and clearly understood ingress protection class.

To my knowledge Canon has never provided such a rating, not even for its super-expensive "fully weathersealed" 1-series cameras.  To me ... "professional" grade ... would mean clearly class IP67 ingress protection (against both dust and water; anything less allows for limited ingress of water and/or dust). Currently I would expect a Canon 1 D X with body cap on (no lens!) to be ingress protected at about IP 54.

Of course a rating should also be provided for any "ingress protected" ("L") lens. Along with an assurance that any given camera body + attached lens will adhere at least to the lower IP number.

Alternatively I would also be happy to see (even tougher) MIL standards quoted, if the manufacturers want to really boast about their "professional grade" stuff. :-)

In Europe I would love the EU commission to regulate the matter and require manufacturers to provide a certified ingress protection standard for any consumer product [which includes any camera and lens we are discussing here] if any claims regarding "wheather protection", "sealing" or "professional grade" or similar are being used in advertising a product.

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Mirrorless world domination is for certain. Resistance is futile. Connected, Excellent Mirrorless cameras very soon will offer better functionality than any mirror-slapper at significantly lower cost (= at somewhat lower prices for buyers and considerably higher margins for makers).

The conversion is just taking a bit longer, because makers wanted to dump their old tech stuff without connectivity (wifi, 4g) onto the markets first and have refused - until the very receent sony a7/r - to offer really worthehile mirrorless camera systems for enthusiasts use. Since virtually every picture taker who values iq has one or more perfectly functional dslrs already, it takes much more to win them over than half-assed consumer crap like an eos-m, a sony nex or a samsung nx with painfully limited photographic and ergonomic functionality.

market saturation + economic crisis + very conservative customer base = difficult environment for "entry level" new technology. This will change rapidly as soon asmore highly specced MILC cameras and systems will be available at very attractive pricepoints.

999 usd/€ for a fully capable ff body (say with 70d level of performance and nikon d7100 sensor quality and full connectivity wifi+4g+social networks + professional networks) will come. And usd/€ 1999 hi res ff milc will not only be available from sony (a7r) but with 5d IV functionality (af, 30+mp sensor, performance and 8 fps) from canon. The more people hild off buying either mirror-slappers or low-spec half-assed milcs like eos-m, the sooner we will get really good milc systems. Of course with a full range of smaller and better native, short-flange lenses. And of course with fully functional easy adapters for our existing glass if we dont mind its size or if some lenses (super-teles) cannot be made significantly smaller for the time being until new technology like DO or whatever also take care of that. :-)

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http://flashhavoc.com/yn-e3-rt-adds-remote-manual-for-non-canon-cameras/
apparently FW 1.0.7 adds remote manual power control + triggering in conjunction with non-Canon cameras. This starts to get interesting for people wanting to use 600EX-RTs with Canon DSLRs as well as with other manufacturers mirrorless cameras ... but I don't know, whether Sony A7/R have what is considered a "standard iso hot shoe" and whether the YN-E3-RT would work or not.  8)

Also quoted is change-log for Firmware 1.07
Quote
Firmware Version 1.07:
Fixed: When one of the group is set to ETTL mode, if one of the flash is not
recycled, it may make a full output flash due to incorrect light metering. Now
YN-E3-RT won’t trigger a flash in such a situation. Note: if the group is set
to M mode, a flash will be triggered no matter it is recycled or not.

Fixed: improved flash syncing with cameras after 2012.

Added: Legacy flash trigger (for non canon cameras). Now you can use YN-E3-RT
on non canon cameras with standard iso hot shoe. You need to press test the
test button to transfer the M mode parameters.

download at http://yongnuo.com.cn/usermanual/pdf/YN-E3-RT_FW_V1.07.zip
http://www.hkyongnuo.com/e-detail.php?ID=337

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EOS Bodies / Re: A 2014 Roadmap Part 1: The 7D Mark II is Coming [CR2]
« on: December 28, 2013, 11:42:09 AM »
well, for a 2014 announcement, the bare minimum in sensor performance Canon needs to deliver in a 7D successor is the Nikon D7100 ... 24 MP, no DPLF (AA-Filter), excellent IQ and very good DR - more than 1 step up from Canon's pre-historic 18 MP APS-C sensor!

If Sony/Nikon can "cram that many pixels" onto a APS-C sensor and get excellent IQ from it, so should Canon. Crop 1.6x vs. 1.5x makes hardly a difference in real life. If Canon can't even achieve that much, they might as well pack up their entire APS-C business and call it quits.

That's why I absolutely expect a 24MP (or maybe 26MP) sensor in the 7D II. Of course with dual pixel-AF, plus an (even) better phase-AF module. Slightly faster too ... 9 or 10 fps. WiFi, GPS built-in and also [finally!] a RT radio wireless flash controller. After all, the 7D was the first ever Canon EOS camera to include an [optical] wireless speedlite master controller. Plus a fully articulated, touchscreen LCD - which Canon has learned to make some time ago already (EOS 650D). Plus some video-optimized stuff, bingo! No really innovation needed. 

Price tag? USD/€ 2199,- ... in line with Canon's pricing decisions in its more recent history. ;-) 

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EOS Bodies / Re: A 2014 Roadmap Part 1: The 7D Mark II is Coming [CR2]
« on: December 27, 2013, 12:03:48 PM »
Oh, by the way... if you have found this "official press release" and they did say that the "7D II will receive a new sensor" technically the sensor from the 70D put into the 7D II is a "new" sensor compared to the original 7D. You can't argue with them if they put in the dual pixel 70D sensor into the 7D, "oh but you said that the 7D II will receive a new sensor" they will say that is a new sensor.

No, no, no - Canon will not be quite SOOO cheap. Almost, but not quite. ;D

Even with my rather low expectation regarding Canon's innovative zest :-) - I do expect the 7D II (whatever it may be called) .. to be announced in 2014 to NOT have the 70D sensor .. but something "slightly improved" ... say 24 MP and 0.1 EV better DR ... and of course Dualpixel-AF and other "video Optimization" on board.  ;D

I am rather sure ... because otherwise even Canon could not possibly charge USD/€ 2500 for the 7D II (whatever its goin to be called) ... lol

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Thanks for the report!  8)

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EOS Bodies / Re: A 2014 Roadmap Part 1: The 7D Mark II is Coming [CR2]
« on: December 25, 2013, 05:17:27 PM »
thanks, but no thanks. :-)

I only take HDR sequences as a measure of last resort and when use it, I want to have it all entirely under my direct control - at time of capture, not only in post, wading through dozens or hundreds of shots. I want to chose how many exposures and all parameters of these.

I don't want anything more along the lines of "all cameras being video cams and stills being just single frames extracted from the video stream". No, no, no.

I also don't like the approach taken e.g. in Nikon 1 where the thingie klicks off a number of shots before you even fully press the shutter button and then attempts to select "the best" capture.

Sometimes I just like it blurred. Even if my camera and its japanese engineers cannot understand why. :-)

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