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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS SL1 in White Coming Soon
« on: November 14, 2013, 05:55:18 AM »
http://cweb.canon.jp/newsrelease/2013-11/pr-kissx7white.html





yikes.

Canon can kiss my white A$$ ...  :P

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS SL1 in White Coming Soon
« on: November 14, 2013, 03:52:39 AM »
So sad Canon no release new pancake lens at 20mm~30mm for this camera...

+1  exactly!

A pancake EF 20mm/f 4.0 STM just like the EF 40/2.8 ... super-compact, cheap, sharp but not in glossy-white but rather in solid "matte-black".  :)

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Japan Teases a White Kiss
« on: November 13, 2013, 01:22:57 PM »
Silly and immature I can agree. However, he's made the statement twice, so it hardly counts as "heat of the moment", at least not the second time (once I could agree). One of the problems with the internet is that people say and "do" things they would never say or do in the "real world". Yet here he is complaining about "assorted canon fanboys on this forum" and behaving (at least) equally badly as those he trashes. People should be responsible for their words, own them, and defend them. If they can't, they should retract them. That goes for this poster and others, including those who hide behind a wink emoticon ( ;) ) when insulting others.

"Silly and immature" ... now who is insulting others?

No need to get all riled up. Calling fanboys and paid lobbyists what they are is no insult in my book.
Since I did not and will not name specific members, I certainly have not insulted any member here. If you ARE a paid lobbyist, then you should not feel insulted, but possibly ashamed if you consider this occupation to be a shameful one. If you are no paid lobbyist, well then we you were not meant, but you might want to ask yourself whether you qualify as an - unpaid - fanboy. Actually, I'd consider the latter to be somewhat less smart than being paid to sing Canon's praise. 

As I said, it is easy to spot and smell both types. In any thread they will inevitably praise or defend Canon, no matter what "silly and immature" products they just may have launched. Things like white/colored versions of low-specced products. Who would really want a black or white SL-1 complete with slapping mirror and a sorry tiny, "tunnel-vision" pentamirror viewfinder and only one dial for settings, when Canon could also offer us a really good and even smaller EOS-M2 with a decent EVF and AF-performance matching the SL-1 ... at a similar price of course, since it is cheaper to produce a mirrorless camera than a DSLR. Especially the SL-1, which is pitched directly at "compact-camera upgraders" who are not likely to already have an extensive collection of EF/L/ or EF-S glass? They'd be happy to start with even smaller EF-M lenses. If Canon were to sell them all, where the buyers live. But I am sure some of you will be happy to defend these Canon business practices as "truly brilliant".

I will continue to bash Canon as long as they launch silly, immature and meaningless products and try to cheat their customers for their money with them, instead of devoting their resources to develop and manufacture products that truly help us to take (technically) better pictures and/or to get the pictures we want more easily and with a higher success rate.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Japan Teases a White Kiss
« on: November 13, 2013, 02:32:44 AM »
Coming up with the always same lame old crippled dslrs  instead of developing and offering us more capable, innovative cameras could indeed be called  "Canon trying to cheat its customers of their money". Especially in a duopolistic market, where the other major player is misbehaving in the same ways. Just offering the same old stuff in retro style, rather than coming up with truly better products.

Ps: fanboys and paid lobbyists are very easy to recognize: they defend "their company" and its business practices no matter what. They even claim its good news when Canon announces an already existing, low performance product in white casing. instead of finally launching a kick-ass 7d 2, a kick-ass eos-m 2, a kick-ass 40 MP, 14EV DR 5d 4 and more importantly: a kick-ass mirrorless ff camera and lens lineup.

Or how about an 430EX-RT? Or an RT-receiver to include existing 580EX/430EX II in an RT wiresless flash-setup? That would create real value for us paying customers. White bodies? Not really.

Or

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Japan Teases a White Kiss
« on: November 12, 2013, 05:18:10 PM »
Quote from: mkabi link=topic=18033.msg335060#msg335060 date
So let me get this straight, you're going to wait? For canon to bring out something better than Sony's A7R?
What if they bring out something on par to the A7R? What if by the time they bring out something on par to the A7R, and Sony comes up with A8R or the A9R... you still going to wait?

Out of curiosity, what system do you currently own?

Amateur, Canon 7d, couple of ef-s and ef lenses, couple of canon speedlites.
Looking to move to ff sensored cam. Tired of Marginally improved DsLR iterations. Waiting it out until excellent ff mirrorless comes. Sony a7r might be good enough already. Won't preorder until i've had a chance to testdrive one. Especially with regards to evf and af. Don't like sony for anumber of reasons. Prefer canon ui. And i am in no hurry. 7d is not broken yet. But i will not buy anothermirror-slapper, now that small and good milcs are around the corner.

Want to have totally silent and vibrationfree cam (a7 is neither) for concerts. Small cam for mountaineering and street. Hi-res cam for cityscapes and landscapes. Hi iso cam for indoor events. Wheathersealed for outdoors stuff. And more. All in one camera system i am so familiar with to operate it blind. No big tele lenses needed. dont care for birds in flight or other critters. And No retro stuff for me please. No manual focus stuff. Good enough Tracking af for children at play and dancers at weddings and parties. Price? 2k for body ... Just like sony a7.
:-)

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Lenses / Re: Lots of New Lenses Coming in 2014 [CR2]
« on: November 12, 2013, 06:52:33 AM »
I cannot speak from own experience to the performance of the lenses mentioned. Most likely all of them are "more than good enough", including "professional use". But I have also seen many of the comparison tests and come to mostly the same conclusions as messus, as far as relative performance of the Canon L's he specifically mentioned compared to other manufacturers lenses is concerned. Considering the pprices of these Canon L lenses, they ought to be not only have goood build quality and good AF but also 100% competitive IQ.

And compared to the Nikon 14-24 which even today still beats almost any prime lens in its range, the Canon 16-35 II is simply "sub-par". I consider it a shame for Canon and a pity for its customers, that they are not able to come up with fully competitive or better (!) L lenses. No Canon L lens should not be beaten in the IQ department by a "lowly" Samyang . Not ever.

Consider this, most of the best photographs ever taken were taken on quite lowly kit...Steve McCurry, Cartier Bresson...to name a few.

Quite to the contrary. Their gear was NOT lowly. It was the most advanced, very best and definitely not cheap COMPACT + LIGHT, ROBUST and FAST-OPERABLE camera gear available of their times.

http://www.odedwagen.com/2013/01/masters-of-photography-interview-with-steve-mccurry
1984, Afghanistan: McCurry used a Nikon FM2 (launched only in 1982) + Nikkor 105/2.5 (presumably the AI-S version launched in 1981) http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/105f25.htm 

HCB used Leica M from the 30ies onward.   

Both chose the smallest, IQ-wise fully competent gear available at their time. Not lowly, inexpensive, marketing-crippled gear.
 
In November 2013 the equivalent would be Sony's A7R with matching Zeiss ZE 55/2.8 and 35/2.8 prime lenses. While far less expensive than a Canon 1D X or D4 plus clunky f/2.8 zooms, the A7R is a very compact system, delivering better IQ than any of these DSLR behemoths. :-)

Unless one needs to or wants to shoot long tele lenses. But then please, don't quote HCB (50mm lens) or McCurry (of whom I do not know a single image taken at more than 135mm focal length). :-)

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EOS-M / Re: The Next EOS M in 2014 [CR2]
« on: November 11, 2013, 06:34:56 PM »
if Canon again "forgets" to put a grip on the EOS-M II, you Mr. Franiec might come to the rescue. Grip for the current EOS-M can be had now: http://www.sansmirror.com/newsviews/franiec-grips.html

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EOS-M / Re: The Next EOS M in 2014 [CR2]
« on: November 11, 2013, 06:12:29 PM »
might sell a few copies if they bring it at USD 299,- right at launch this time.

Me? No buy. Me wants FF sensor and EVF. :-)

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Japan Teases a White Kiss
« on: November 11, 2013, 05:31:22 PM »
So do you have proof it is a poor business decision, meaning in revenue not your desired piece of equipment.  This is also being marketed to a certain region of the world.  Where is this lack of competiveness you are claiming?  Again the expected answer requires cold hard facts.

not at all. Proof is in the pudding. :-)
I don't owe you or any other Canon fanboy and Canon lobbyists a thing.
Get your cold facts yourself ... or wait until they materialize in CaNikon's next financial reports. Suit yourself. 

I'll just lean back and keep watching Canon's announcement.  But .. I'll continue to hold my wallet tight and my checkbook online banking account closed ... and will pass up on Canon's white kisses or any other sub-par stuff they may try to throw at me.

Until they go under or come up with an FF mirrorless the size of Sony's A7R with a better sensor (!), better IQ , better EVF and way better AF .. at less than 2000 Euros. And some nice ultracompact pancake prime lenses to go woth it. 20/4, 40/2.8 [got that already, so adapter will do] and a 85/2.0 IS.

Whatever comes first. Now go figure.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Japan Teases a White Kiss
« on: November 11, 2013, 04:09:36 PM »
... Canon does not have to justify their business decisions to you, even if you think it is lame.

No. And we don't have to justify making fun of Canon' poor business decisions and criticizing them for producing crap like white kiss cameras instead of gear that is at least fully competitive, not to mention innovative. And you lnow what: we don't even care for the well-known canon paid canon lobbyists and assorted canon fanboys on this forum, who will always rush to canon's defense, no matter how ridiculous and off the mark their newest product offerings may be. :-)

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EOS Bodies / Re: Patent: A Pellicle Mirror by Canon
« on: November 11, 2013, 10:39:50 AM »
Done right it could be a perfectly good idea where the gains far, far outweigh the loss of a little bit of light.

No. Pellicle-mirrored = does nothing, a mirrorless camera will not do much better.

Mirrorless actually combines EVF (considered as a disadvantage by many DSLR users) and all the bulk of a DSLR. Plus light loss and possible degradation of IQ due to reflections on top. That's one of the reasons, why Sony is quitting their SLT line of cameras. Dead end!

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Japan Teases a White Kiss
« on: November 11, 2013, 10:30:33 AM »
How ingenious! First ever camera in WHITE!
Congratulations, Canon!
And 1000 white kisses!

INNOVATION, CREATIVITY, LEADERSHIP: YES, Canon CAN! 

Thank you, thank you, thank you!

 :P  ;D

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Lenses / Re: Lots of New Lenses Coming in 2014 [CR2]
« on: November 11, 2013, 03:36:00 AM »
Still no comments or expectations for DO lenses?

I hope we won't ever see another DO lens or Canon cameras with pellicle mirror or any other optical dead end.

Thanks, but no thanks. 70-300DO ... one of the most grossly overpriced and underperforming Canon lenses ever. 

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The Canon EF 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6 DO IS USM Lens circular aperture makes out of focus points of light very round for a 6-blade aperture, but I don't care for the way the DO makes points of light into rifle target-like bokeh. Here is an example ...

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The bullseyes do not show up often in real use, but a DO-caused bright, blurry halo shows itself more frequently. It shows up in out of focus areas - especially when the 70-300 DO's aperture is opened up. Some like it and call it dreamy - I personally don't like it. Here is an example ...


http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Canon-EF-70-300mm-f-4.5-5.6-DO-IS-USM-Lens-Review.aspx


And the 400DO is a poor performer as well.

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Contrast is the Canon EF 400mm f/4 DO IS USM Lens' optical shortcoming - which also hurts the apparent sharpness performance. I found that most of my shots needed a healthy contrast boost in post-processing (or a positive in-camera contrast setting). I could easily tell which image was taken with the 400 DO when looking at comparative shots on a monitor. ...
Even the Canon 100-400mm L has better contrast when the vignetting in the full frame corners at 400mm does not get in the way.

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Lenses / Re: Lots of New Lenses Coming in 2014 [CR2]
« on: November 11, 2013, 02:20:46 AM »
You can only speak for yourself. As far as myself is concerned, I think that the logo "Canon" means the foremost quality possible, and the red ring is almost the equivalent of the Holy Grail. You see, there's a reason why they say: You get what you pay for!!!!

ROFLMAO :-)

As long as canon has enough customers like you, we won't get better lenses, reasonable prices or fully comprtitive sensors from them.

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Lenses / Re: Lots of New Lenses Coming in 2014 [CR2]
« on: November 10, 2013, 12:31:50 PM »
8 lenses .. well let's see:

for EF-M
EF-M 40/2.8 IS Macro
EF-M 50-150/3.5-5.6  [but not sold/serviced in USA]

for EF-S
EF-S 18-55/3.5-5.6 IS Mk. III
EF-S 18-200/3.5-5.6 IS Mk. II

for EF, Non-L
EF 58/1.4 IS @ USD/€ 1,190
EF 50/1.8 IS @ USD/€ 790

EF-L
EOS 1000/8.0 L IS @ USD/€ 44,990
EOS 70-200/4 L IS Mk. II @ USD/€ 1,790

 :o

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