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well Europe and Germany were handled differently by Canon as far as the EOS-M goes.
Most importantly, there never was a "fire sale". No chance ever to get an EOS M plus 22/2.0 plus 90EX for USD 299,- around here!

Currently in Germany EOS-M is sold in 2 kits only (not body only) - but each in black, silver or red color  ::)

  • EOS M + 18-55 + 90EX:  lowest price incl. 19% VAT "sales tax" currently to be found is € 349 [USD 474] while at amazon.de it still starts @ € 399 [USD 529]
  • EOS-M + 22/2.0 + EF-adapter + 90EX starts from € 599 [USD 813]  and typically is well  above € 600

As long as mirrorless cameras as poor as the EOS M are offered at prices like these ... we should not conclude that "the market" in Europe has "no interest" in mirrorless cameras, but rather wants big, clugdy mirrorslappin' DSLRs forever. Oh NO! Not true!

It's just that most Europeans are smart enough to refuse buying sub-par products at grossly inflated prices. Actually I am glad to see that Canon's refusal to build and market a fully competitive and decent mirrorless system has resulted in a real disaster for them. They are being ***punished***  8) by the European market and the US as well.  Well deserved debacle.  :-)

If there is one clear, unbroken trend in the history of "photon-capturing imaging" then it is "ever higher image quality with ever smaller, lighter, more portable, less obtrusive, less complicated gear".

This has been going on all the time since its very invention. And it is still ongoing. Nothing will stop or reverse it. Every step there were hold-outs and earlier generation/larger gear remained in use by a few and/or for small, specialized niches and imaging tasks.

In a few years time we will look back at today's "pro" DSLRs the same way we look at those brick-sized "mobile" phones from only 15-20 years ago. "Did we really use these cludgy devices?" :-)

Recently we passed one major "size category" transition point - the move from dedicated "compact" cameras to multi-tasking mobile devices for "consumer grade" image quality and "consumer image-capturing tasks" ... although both "artists" and "working pro's" have demonstrated that much more can also be achieved using mobile imaging devices. :-)   

Next transition point immediately ahead is the the move from the previous-generation concept of mechanical-analogue mirrorslapping SLRs to fully digital mirrorless cameras that will soon deliver superior image capture and image quality, also at the professional" level. Plus native, unobstructed "convergence" of stils and moving images. 

It is still a relatively "MINOR" point in development ... while camera bodies will shrink considerably in size, only lenses in the (overall) most frequently used diagonal angle of view range ... from about 84° [24mm focal length on "FF" 24x36 image area] to about 23° [approx. 90mm FL] can be made (somewhat) smaller for mirrorless cameras with shorter flange distance. High image quality, reasonably fast zoom lenses and "longer" tele lenses [with less than about 23° diag. angle of view] will remain as large as they currently are. On the other hand, only a minority of all photographic tasks absolutely dmeand those lenses! ;-)  For many situations and photogs, they are infrequently used but still "nice to have" tools for a few specific situations and/or creative effects.

The next MAJOR revolution in size of imaging gear will occur, if/once glass optics are replaced by new technologies yielding even better image quality with smaller gear. Whatever it may be [e.g. improved "liquid-filled variable lenses", lightfield or holographic concepts, ... ] and whenever it may occur. That will yield "implantable-size imaging gear". No matter whether we'd ever want this or not.  ;D

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS M2 Specs Revealed?
« on: December 03, 2013, 11:10:46 AM »
I have put a summary of EOS M2 features and my own take on my EOS M blog
excellent, thanks!

the following bit of information is of specific interest:
AF Speed: The good news is that it appears the AF speed has been increased by a factor of 2.3x over the current M model that has V 2.0 firmware installed as highlighted in the quote below.

My main disappointment is that $800 for this device means the "big brother" will be absurdly expensive.


A "higher-end" EOS M with 70D DPAF sensor and EVF will probably cost more than the FF-sensored Sony A7 [USD 1699 / € 1499,- ].

And as I said elsewhere, should Canon ever be "willing and able" to make a mirrorless cam with FF sensor, it will probably cost USD/€ 4000+ if it were competitive with the Sony A7R ... hi res FF sensor, market-leading DR [up to ISO1600 :-)], market-leading EVF [today :-)], articulated LCD, hi-grade Mg-alloy-body ...

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS M2 Specs Revealed?
« on: December 03, 2013, 04:42:55 AM »
wow ... Canon can!  :o
Finally managed to put WiFi into the EOS-M ... were it should have been all along .. like in many cheapo powershots. I am so impressed! And so small, so white, so CUTE!

Looks like the rumour was right: marginally improved iteration of the current M to come first. Next? The high-end, super-premium "Hello-Kitty special edition" with all two available lenses in special festive pink!  :P

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS M2 Specs Revealed?
« on: December 02, 2013, 04:10:21 PM »
Some time back, the rumor was for two new models in the M lineup - a 'low end' one that is a little smaller than the current M and targeted at 'consumers', and a 'high end' one incorporating DPAF and coming a bit later.

This rumor sounds like the former, particularly with the smartphone integration stuff.

that was  my first thought as well. However, the rumor is so strange ... e.g. as you already pointed out ... the ominous "2.3x AF-speed" ... otoh many of the other specs sound very credible. Wifi added, which enables apps for image transfer to and remote control by smartphones, slightly improved fps and AF, even smaller size ... done!
Canon would then reserve the 70D DPAF-sensor (plus EVF) for a later, higher-end EOS-M "3"- as rumored/speculated earlier on.

A true Sony A7R and Oly OMD1 killer. Canon at its "most innovative". Still hope it's not true though.  ::)

EOS Bodies / Re: Two New Full Frame Cameras in 2014? [CR1]
« on: December 01, 2013, 11:55:03 AM »
Thanks, but no thanks.

got it, OrangUtan ... from your apparent love for red ink and in-text corrections you must be an old-style school teacher by profession and a Canon fan-boy by vocation.  Too bad I am not one of your students.

I therefore ask you politely to refrain from defacing my posts and twisting my words using bolded bi-color full text quotes. It is bad style and hurts my readers' eyes.

@ RLphoto: No, I won't ever show any of my images here. And not necessary ... since the shortcomings and limitations in Canon's sensor tech and subsequent image quality relative to better camera gear can be seen and studied in a large number of images readily available on the net.

EOS Bodies / Re: Two New Full Frame Cameras in 2014? [CR1]
« on: December 01, 2013, 07:04:05 AM »
I am not interested in this constant regurgitation of theoretical tech mumbo jumbo. It has no immediate practical relevance to a photographer.

Photographers are interested in the images they can capture using the gear available today.

Today's situation is simple and clear:
  • Currently Nikon D800/E and Sony A7R have way more resolution at all ISO settings than any Canon EOS camera.  This is usefuly in many images and shooting contexts. :-)
  • D800/E + A7R have way more DR at the most frequently used low ISO settings. This is useful in many images and shooting contexts. :-)
  • D800/E and A7R images have not more noise but very slightly less DR at ISO settings 3200 and 6400 compared to any Canon EOS currently on the market (including 5D III and 1Dx). In practice it is a wash. 
  • And from ISO 12800 upwards - if one ever needs it - IQ is basically a tie between Nikon D4 and 1Dx

Canon is lagging behind Nikon/Sony in sensor capability and should do everything they can to close the gap as soon as possible. Or leapfrog Sony/Nikon ... if they are able to. Canon should not rely much longer solely on other strengths of their eco-system (mainly: UI and lenses), since this is a high risk strategy. After all, to most photographers, image quality is the single most important and central feature of any image capturing device. :-)

Therefore a 5D IV should have significantly higher resolution and significantly better DR compared to 5D III sensor at ISOs 100, 200 and 400. Plus some further improvements in IQ at higher ISO settings (if possible in addition to low ISO improvements). Plus of course, all the other features needed to make it 100% competitive in 2014/15.

EOS Bodies / Re: Two New Full Frame Cameras in 2014? [CR1]
« on: November 29, 2013, 09:49:19 AM »
Just give me a D800 in a 5D body and a 7D2 on the side, and I'll take on anything!

hehe ... had the 5D III come with the D800 sensor, I would have bought it and not needed anything else. :-)

EOS Bodies / Re: Two New Full Frame Cameras in 2014? [CR1]
« on: November 28, 2013, 10:54:11 AM »
Eos M Fullframe ?  ;)

If it does materialize, I guess AvTvM will be happy ... but then, maybe not because it will be made by Canon :P

oh yes, I would be very happy to see an EOS M with FF sensor from Canon any time soon.
As a matter of fact I am not anti Canon. I just criticize them for not being more innovative and not giving us better products today rather than just dishing out improvements only in ever so small increments, each of which costs a couple grant.  :o

After all, I do prefer the Canon EOS user interface over anything else I've tried so far from other manufacturers. It is really well done - physical layout, hardware control elements and menu system.
Wow, I guess I am a little too gentle with Canon today.  ;D

Now an EOS M ... hell yes, if it has all the good from the 6D [WiFi, GPS, more sensitive central AF field] AND everything good from the 5D III [AF-performance, fps] AND a 36 MP sensor AND 14 EV DR AND 1 EV better ISO 3200 than 5D II ... ah yes, and please totally silent operation - ideally with purely electronic global shutter and X-Sync down to 1/1000s AND not larger than Sony A7R ... AND not more expensive. hehe!  ;D

EOS Bodies / Re: New EOS-1 in 2014 [CR1]
« on: November 27, 2013, 01:33:26 PM »
We, the declining stills orientated market, are fortunate that the ideas they are moving towards are somewhat complimentary to our own "needs" for still based equipment, so far.

The customer only comes first if the company can sell the stuff they make and give their shareholders a reasonable return. If they can't they will try to find other customers, not different shareholders.

hehehe! Quite funny. Next suggestion will probably be to kneel down and beg to Canon "please, please give me a new stills-oriented camera."  ::)

no way!

In reality it is way easier for (almost all of) Canon's customers to turn around and find another supplier of excellent image capturing gear than it is for Canon to find "new customers" willing to pay inflated prices for fairly un-innovative products.

EOS Bodies / Re: New EOS-1 in 2014 [CR1]
« on: November 27, 2013, 11:58:24 AM »
Canon are not in business to keep you guys happy, they are in business to keep their shareholders happy. Start thinking like that.

Actually it is exactly the other way round. At least for companies that want to be successful.  ;)

IF Canon wants to stay in business with me, they better think about what I want and how they keep ME happy. Otherwise I won't continue to buy from them. And the same goes for all their other customers too .. each single one of them. If they don't make 'em happy, they won 't have anything to make their shareholders happy down the line.

CUSTOMERS always come FIRST.  8)


EOS Bodies / Re: New EOS-1 in 2014 [CR1]
« on: November 27, 2013, 09:35:38 AM »
The video's title--A Tradition of Innovation

What an innovation THE 700D ;D ;D

Yes! Very innovative, Canon! From its very innovative start 71 years ago as unlicensed copycat maker of german camera designs ... all the way to 2013 with their greatest innovative triumph ever ...  the Canon Digital Kiss ... all in white!  ;D

Canon does not need a long, boring video showing off their "tradition of innovation". One picture tells the story: 
(c) Tom Fishburne  (c) http://tomfishburne.com/2012/10/cannibalize.html

Lenses / Re: EF 24-70 f/2.8L IS Exists as a Working Prototype [CR2]
« on: November 27, 2013, 01:49:06 AM »
Well, remember that 24-70 is a bread and butter lens, one of the most important in Canon's lineup.  It is to their benefit to ensure they have the best version available out there IMO.  Tamron is getting a lot of business with a nice quality 24-70 f/2.8 IS lens for half the price due to Canon's unwillingness to release an IS version.

Also, Canon does not HAVE to increase the price, they could actually *drop* the price of the non-IS version to ~1699 which would put it in a lot more reasonable space than it is now.  Then put the IS version where the old version was, at 2299.

+1   Exactly!

EOS Bodies / Re: New EOS-1 in 2014 [CR1]
« on: November 26, 2013, 12:20:16 PM »
I was at a Canon presentation tonight and the video they showed said they spend 10% of global revenues on R&D.  They also quoted global revenue at us$45.6 billion.

Interesting. Did they say, how much of it was spent on video and cinema stuff?  ;)

1DC, C100, C300, C500 ... within a year or so, and a constant flow of cine lenses and video-optimization throughout the entire lineup of cameras and lenses ... must gobble up huge amounts of R&D spending.
Leaving not enough for stills cameras and development of fully competitive, hi-res, high DR image sensors.
Not to mention my desired "A7R killer" FF MILC. 

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