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Canon General / Re: Photographer Petitions Canon for Left Handed Camera
« on: January 26, 2015, 03:04:38 PM »
This isn't perfect, but an available solution if you add in a wireless trigger:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/859456-REG/Kirk_AG_2L_AG_2L_Left_Handle_Action.html

Video folks are rigging their cameras all the time.  Yes, this adds bulk, but it makes it more tailored to the specific shooter/DPs shooting style and customized to their preferences based on the restrictions of the camera itself.

This is one of those times when the generic body style of the C100/C300 would make more sense as a DSLR format.  Then add swappable grip handle. 

Maybe when/if Canon ever enters the medium format arena they can offer better solutions?

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Pricewatch Deals / Re: Price Drops on the Canon Cinema EOS C100
« on: January 23, 2015, 11:27:43 AM »
It needs to drop by another $2000 considering what you get compared to competition.

That's probably the biggest problem facing Canon video right now - their competition is putting out good and great quality products at a much more affordable and budget-friendly prices.  I cannot justify this expense for most client projects, even if I'm eating some bulk of the costs. 

If it was priced around $2500 then I'm sure it would be enough to get more people really interested and on-board with an entry into CinemaEOS, but there are other solutions these people are looking at.

May I ask what other cinema cameras offer all of the features this one does at this price point? Okay so I just asked.

I've done a lot of research and a lot of work with various DSLR cameras. I find the Canon Cinema line to be unique. I know it does not offer 4K, and the new one of better, but no 4K. I just want to know who the competition is. Please don't tell me Black Magic or A7s or GH4 because there are not comparable, unless you rig them like crazy add Magic Lantern, filter and so much more....... or again with the 4K argument.

I'm not hating on the 4K, I like 4K, just to be clear  ;)


A "rigged out" GH4 is still cheaper than these "entry-level" Cinema EOS options.  A BlackMagic system can knock these out of the water when being used by the right person or team of people.  The URSA is a great film and ENG system (requiring almost no rigging) available for not much more than a C100 Mk2 system.  If you want to ignore the other viable options, the FS100/FS700 line exist and compete directly with the C100.  The new FS7 is a game changer that's MUCH cheaper than a C300 system.  AJA is also getting in the camera game now.

4K, or lack of 4K, is a big deal... clients are starting to inquire and ask about it, even if their deliverables are still barely taking 720HD right now, but they want to future proof.

What type of work are you looking to do?  Run & gun style, or film-style?  That really will determine what budget(s) and options you need to be looking at.  If 720HD video deliverable is fine for your needs, then that's a big difference... overcranking and flexibility without dropping resolution is a great feature to have on-board.

I understand what you're saying, sort of. For example I was talking about what the OP posted about the reduced price of the C100, which is now $4000 with no lens of course. You brought up the FS100 which I find as a good point since it costs less that the C100 and I don't know about the quality of the FS100 because I've not used that camera. If you think that the C100 1080p uncompressed footage is not superior to the Panasonic uncompressed format, you and I will have to simple disagree on that. So tell me, how much did your rig cost you on the GH4 and how much would is cost you if you had all the features that are built in and included with the C100? The XLR adapter alone jumps you camera price up by $2000 http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1028546-REG/panasonic_dmc_gh4_yagh_lumix_yagh_interface_unit.html
So okay you can by the kit where you get the camera and the XLR interface for $2500 because it's on sale right now. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1028548-REG/panasonic_lumix_dmc_gh4_mirrorless_micro.html
The FS700 is not a good comparison because it costs WAY more. The C100 is a video camera and the GH4 is a hybrid, it's kind of hard to compare. I do commercial work, run and gun and documentary style shooting and other fun stuff. I understand your overall point and I thank you for listing other options. I'll look into the cameras you posted about that I don't have experience with.

I personally do not OWN a GH4, but I have used them on a few projects in the past.  A system can be purchased without the GH4's specific XLR interface and instead use a Zoom, Tascam, or other style system for the audio interface, bringing the price down a bit more.  If you shoot this at 4K and intend to output as 1080HD, the footage basically becomes 4:2:2 and looks significantly better than footage from other cameras.  There's a few documentations on that out there, but have personally worked with footage from this camera in post and it was impressive for 1080 output.

Much of the work I do does not need file-ready synch sound and I am able to run a dual sound system and synch in post, even though 90% of the time I am feeding a line out of a mixing system directly into a camera that could be used, if needed.  A lot of the content is interviews and people speaking on-camera for those situations that require audio... so I likely have a bit more flexibility than some other people have.

The FS100 has been referred to as the budget-friendly C100 that Canon should have made.  Basically a DSLR inspired system that tackles the major issues video folks have had with DSLR systems.  Is it a perfect camera?  No.  At it's price point, it's not supposed to be... but neither is the C100.  It's supposed to solve a "problem" for a part of the market.  The best thing the C100 has going for it is the fact it can use EF/EF-S lenses natively without a Metabones adapter.  Is that worth the $1500 or so difference in price (if buying new)?  That's a personal decision.  At that price difference, investing in new glass would be an option to consider if the Metabones EF adapters are not what you want.

All that being said, the FS7 is the camera people are talking about right now that need to shoot 4K.  Sony did a good job with it's functionality, but the ergonomics are not to everyone's satisfaction.  Hopefully by the time NAB comes around more manufacturers will have something to release that's comparable to this - Canon included.  Native 4K recording with at least variable frame rates for 1080HD would be a great start.


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Pricewatch Deals / Re: Price Drops on the Canon Cinema EOS C100
« on: January 23, 2015, 09:40:19 AM »
It needs to drop by another $2000 considering what you get compared to competition.

That's probably the biggest problem facing Canon video right now - their competition is putting out good and great quality products at a much more affordable and budget-friendly prices.  I cannot justify this expense for most client projects, even if I'm eating some bulk of the costs. 

If it was priced around $2500 then I'm sure it would be enough to get more people really interested and on-board with an entry into CinemaEOS, but there are other solutions these people are looking at.

May I ask what other cinema cameras offer all of the features this one does at this price point? Okay so I just asked.

I've done a lot of research and a lot of work with various DSLR cameras. I find the Canon Cinema line to be unique. I know it does not offer 4K, and the new one of better, but no 4K. I just want to know who the competition is. Please don't tell me Black Magic or A7s or GH4 because there are not comparable, unless you rig them like crazy add Magic Lantern, filter and so much more....... or again with the 4K argument.

I'm not hating on the 4K, I like 4K, just to be clear  ;)


A "rigged out" GH4 is still cheaper than these "entry-level" Cinema EOS options.  A BlackMagic system can knock these out of the water when being used by the right person or team of people.  The URSA is a great film and ENG system (requiring almost no rigging) available for not much more than a C100 Mk2 system.  If you want to ignore the other viable options, the FS100/FS700 line exist and compete directly with the C100.  The new FS7 is a game changer that's MUCH cheaper than a C300 system.  AJA is also getting in the camera game now.

4K, or lack of 4K, is a big deal... clients are starting to inquire and ask about it, even if their deliverables are still barely taking 720HD right now, but they want to future proof.

What type of work are you looking to do?  Run & gun style, or film-style?  That really will determine what budget(s) and options you need to be looking at.  If 720HD video deliverable is fine for your needs, then that's a big difference... overcranking and flexibility without dropping resolution is a great feature to have on-board.






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For people wondering how this technology works, read a bit about the Audio Technica System 10 version.  Most of those can get 6-8 channels/sources hooked up at the same time depending on interference.  Have a feeling in most modern buildings and businesses, it may be closer to the 4-6 range, but it's still likely enough for a lot of filmmakers and video people. 

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Pricewatch Deals / Re: Price Drops on the Canon Cinema EOS C100
« on: January 23, 2015, 08:16:40 AM »
It needs to drop by another $2000 considering what you get compared to competition.

That's probably the biggest problem facing Canon video right now - their competition is putting out good and great quality products at a much more affordable and budget-friendly prices.  I cannot justify this expense for most client projects, even if I'm eating some bulk of the costs. 

If it was priced around $2500 then I'm sure it would be enough to get more people really interested and on-board with an entry into CinemaEOS, but there are other solutions these people are looking at.

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One of the more exciting announcements I've heard for video folks.  The new stuff looks solid, but wonder how the wireless will compare to the very similar Audio Technica version.

...of course, I had to recently pickup a Sennheiser wireless system for an upcoming project.  Think I would have maybe gone with this one, had it been available, but maybe wait for version 2 or the product line to expand?

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EOS Bodies / Re: NEW CAMERA - EOS 80D?
« on: January 08, 2015, 05:45:56 PM »
http://youtu.be/PtNrM6aTwcY This videos shows a SLR hidden by the users hands using NFC to connect the connect station, I don't think any Canon DSLRs have NFC yet. I guess that they just put a top lcd on the 750d.

If you pause the video at the 0:39 mark and look closely, that's a fixed lens that looks like Canon PowerShot SX530 HS, which does apparently have NFC.

Yes but what about at 0:46?

Just posted that screenshot.  It looks like a Rebel.



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EOS Bodies / Re: NEW CAMERA - EOS 80D?
« on: January 08, 2015, 05:37:51 PM »
http://youtu.be/PtNrM6aTwcY This videos shows a SLR hidden by the users hands using NFC to connect the connect station, I don't think any Canon DSLRs have NFC yet. I guess that they just put a top lcd on the 750d.

If you pause the video at the 0:39 mark and look closely, that's a fixed lens that looks like Canon PowerShot SX530 HS, which does apparently have NFC.

At 0:46 that looks like a camera to be released in 2015 (per the disclaimer).  Likely a Rebel based on the target market for this.

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EOS Bodies / Re: NEW CAMERA - EOS 80D?
« on: January 08, 2015, 05:05:01 PM »
Not to water down the party, but this featured product has been in development for over 5 years.  This COULD be a prototype body or other form factor that was being used for development of an existing product...

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Speculation [CR1]
« on: June 18, 2014, 01:36:28 PM »
4K video or not? I'm a filmmaker, so I know I'm in the minority here.

If it doesn't come with 4K H.264 or built-in RAW video, I won't even think of buying. Canon needs to step up their game for us video folks.

Came here to air my thoughts and agree with you 100%.  The majority of people here seem to want LESS video features, but I really want to see MORE video features incorporated and the ones that are there already improved.  4K for this camera is almost a must for me to consider.

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Wow.  Locking out software for NEW hardware isn't a new concept, but this update had high hopes for Canon and their brand.  This could have made me less reliant on Adobe products for my photo usage, but that does not look like it will be the case.  Canon has firmly planted themselves as a hardware manufacturer with this restriction.

I love Adobe Camera RAW, but I'm on CS6.  Haven't yet moved to the Creative Cloud subscription model, but looking like the true options for my needs are thin at best.  Relying on old technology moving forward isn't going to cut it.  Watching their keynote now - may be buying really soon...

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EOS Bodies / Re: The Canon EOS 70D is Hitting Stores
« on: August 22, 2013, 10:06:47 PM »
any thoughts on an updated firmware release for this camera in the coming weeks/months to add additional features?  was on the phone with a Canon tech for an unrelated issue and seemed to be hinting that could be happening at some point in the future - obviously wouldn't elaborate at all, unfortunately...

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PowerShot / Re: Canon PowerShot S120 Announced
« on: August 22, 2013, 10:04:51 PM »
how can these new cameras shoot 1080/60p but the new T5i and 70D cannot?  humm...

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EOS Bodies / Re: 70D release date question
« on: July 26, 2013, 11:18:21 AM »
Originally was 9/15 in many places, so maybe Canon USA is shipping to suppliers before they sell their own inventory?  Either way, this is likely better than the recent issues Blackmagic is running into with shipping/delivering their "pocket" and 4K cameras...

As for 7DMk2 or 70D - I'm in a similar situation.  If it means anything to you, the 70D will NOT have HDMI mirroring functionality (finally heard back directly from Canon on Twitter for this question).  For video use, I like the "Super 35" sensor vs. full frame for most of the work I do.  I like the extended reach, the greater focus flexibility, and the expanded lens selection.  There are uses where the 5DMk3 excels, but light, portable, and "cheaper" gear has its own benefits, and the image quality is still pretty extraordinary for video use, unless you NEED uncompressed or 4:2:2...

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EOS Bodies / Re: 'Revolutionary' Dual Pixel AF Explained
« on: July 26, 2013, 11:08:45 AM »
I think this is just the start of a "new wave" of better quality STM lenses on the way to work with this AF technology... not sure if they'll get to the "L" series with STM, especially at the price point of the capable camera bodies, but just below that would be welcomed by many and there would be a market for them, if this AF works as promised.  (Though the C100 can work with STM lenses apparently, maybe the C300 as well?)

Interesting developments for sure...


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