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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Who upgraded from 5d mk2 to mk3 ?
« on: September 26, 2012, 09:10:58 AM »
Tron,

I shoot Raw.  Convert to DNG and then process with Photoshop CS5 and/or Lightroom 4.

My comments refer to then entire ISO Range.

Lenses I have noticed my statements to hold true: 24-105mm f4, 17-40mm f4, 100mm f2.8 Macro, 70-200mm f4, 300mm f2.8, 600mm f4

Mounted on a Gitzo Systematic Carbon Tribod with WH200 Wimberley Head.

Anything else you curious about?

Thanks for answering  :)

Keep in mind that Lightroom 4 was reported for not producing ultra sharp 5D3 images!
I didn't make it up I read it in THIS forum (Sometime in April or May I think). You are doing something very interesting though. You convert to DNG first. That's another step and maybe a good one as it seems. Thanks again...

P.S I do not believe that there are problems with bodies. At least not often. They are not lenses. I have a fine 5DII and I try to gather as much info as possible about 5DMKIII. I am thinking of bying it and this thread is definitely a suitable one for this purpose.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Who said Canon cameras suck?!?
« on: September 26, 2012, 08:59:16 AM »
I don't know...I hear a lot about how Canon hasn't improved but I just jumped from to a 5DMKIII and all I can say is I'm EXTREMELY impressed.  The images are higher resolution AND higher quality than the cameras that came before

i think you would standing there quite puzzled when i ask you to tell me what image comes from a 5D MK2 or 5D MK3 at ISO under 800.

it´s correct that high ISO is better... but not all are focused on high iso.
there is s lot of folks who focus on maximum IQ at lower ISO settings.

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Technology is a race.  You don't lead every lap.

of course .. but when you are second place you normaly don´t have the most expensive products...  ::)
That is a correct statement! I wonder it Nikon sells cheaper to get Canon users (at the expense of profits from D800). However, we have to take into account the lenses too.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Who said Canon cameras suck?!?
« on: September 26, 2012, 08:23:51 AM »
a canon 5D MK3 with a 28 MP sony sensor... that would be a nice camera.
Or a Nikon with a Canon body and controls, Canon electronics and Canon sensor, oh wait  :o

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Who upgraded from 5d mk2 to mk3 ?
« on: September 25, 2012, 08:42:35 PM »
Tron.

Interesting.

Both of my 5DIII bodies produce cleaner, crisper, sharper images then my 5DII.  I wonder if your 5DIII copy had a problem or my 5DII body had a problem.

Both 5DIII bodies are also much better IQ then my 1DIV and my 7D.
This is good news actually!

However: Many people say general things without mentioning the details. You, for example:

1. Are you comparing raw files? You didn't mention Raw of Jpg.
2.  What software are you using?



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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Who upgraded from 5d mk2 to mk3 ?
« on: September 25, 2012, 07:07:42 PM »
1. Is anybody aware of the stronger AA filter?


I think it's a myth. I did super careful tests with a very sharp lens comparing both and the fine detail and micro-contrast captured on a bill was so close that it's really hard to say. The talk that is looks noticeably softer, as per some rumors, or noticeably sharper, as per others, seemed like a whole lot of nothing to me. Whatever difference there is would take realllllly careful 100% viewing and staring and starting and trying to figure out which one looked what way compared to the other.



I have based this conclusion from 2 facts:

Stills: Camera raw products showed the 5D3 to be less sharp than 5D2. Only when the DPP was updated sharpness became equal! So it seems that DPP boosts the sharpening for 5D3 somehow

Video:
http://tweets.planet5d.com/tweets/195145027335356416

After 9:15 It is admitted that 5D3 video is not very sharp to preserve information but it can be nicely
sharpened in Post Processing. Combining this with the  fact that Moire is mentioned to be absent then a strong AA filter is the logical conclusion


I think the initial DPP was just bugged and was applying strong anti-moire tech at times when there should have been an option to turn it off.

Isn't that video discussing video moire? THat's a different thing. The 5D2 and the others did line skipping which introduces radical moire and aliasing. The 5D3 doesn't line skip and it also seems to filter things on top so the video doesn't have more than a bare hint of the nasty moire and such. But that is nothing to do with stills.

DPP could not be bugged. It had similar results to Adobe software! Both produced less sharp 5D3 raw images

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EOS Bodies / Re: What does the "D" in all camera bodies mean?
« on: September 25, 2012, 06:38:04 PM »
D for Disney... (Mickey Mouse) camera ?    ;D

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EOS Bodies / Re: What does the "D" in all camera bodies mean?
« on: September 25, 2012, 12:16:13 PM »
I'd like to know what will be the successor to the 90D ,which will probably launch in around 2025, if the period between x0D bodies is 4 years, and the successor to the 950D which will launch in 2019, assuming Canon launches a new xx0D body every year.
91D,  90DMkII , whatever. As long as they produce better cameras...
Maybe all the current members of the Canon product marketing department plan to be elsewhere by then.....
;D

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EOS Bodies / Re: Best FF option
« on: September 25, 2012, 11:42:54 AM »
Mulling over what my best FF option is now that the (pathetic) 6D has been officially announced.  I want to add a FF body for landscape, architecture, portrait, and flash work.  I would like to get it soon, preferably before year's end, but could wait as long as March 2013 if there is a reason to wait.  I consider myself a passionate hobbyist, I do not make any money or plan to from photog.  I’m interested in the CR community’s thoughts and suggestions.


Option 1:

Option 2:


Option 3:

Option 4:

Option 5:


I am actually in more or less the same boat as you are with a 7D, TS/E 17, EF 50 1.4, 24-105, and 70-200 IS MKI. I see a need for having a good FF with options to shoot some portraiture and landscapes with no immediate desire to shoot at high burst rate. I love the 1DX, but it will have to wait. So that leaves me with 5DI/II/III, 6D, or used 1DS if staying with Canon. However, with cheaper 35, 50 1.8 glasses from Nikon with the venerable 14-24, buying D600 looks like a good option, while not getting rid of any Canon gear - may be the 50. 6D just feels like lack of attention to details from Canon. Nikon also has intervalometer,  bracketing for HDR that make D600 more interesting buy.
Sure, why not get rid of excellent Canon lenses and go to Nikon? Oh by the way, if you get rid of 50 1.4 you will become rich!  ;D

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Who upgraded from 5d mk2 to mk3 ?
« on: September 24, 2012, 07:46:13 PM »
1. Is anybody aware of the stronger AA filter?


I think it's a myth. I did super careful tests with a very sharp lens comparing both and the fine detail and micro-contrast captured on a bill was so close that it's really hard to say. The talk that is looks noticeably softer, as per some rumors, or noticeably sharper, as per others, seemed like a whole lot of nothing to me. Whatever difference there is would take realllllly careful 100% viewing and staring and starting and trying to figure out which one looked what way compared to the other.



I have based this conclusion from 2 facts:

Stills: Camera raw products showed the 5D3 to be less sharp than 5D2. Only when the DPP was updated sharpness became equal! So it seems that DPP boosts the sharpening for 5D3 somehow

Video:
http://tweets.planet5d.com/tweets/195145027335356416

After 9:15 It is admitted that 5D3 video is not very sharp to preserve information but it can be nicely
sharpened in Post Processing. Combining this with the  fact that Moire is mentioned to be absent then a strong AA filter is the logical conclusion

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EOS Bodies / Re: Best FF option
« on: September 24, 2012, 09:06:54 AM »
Re to: 70-200 F4 IS (may sell for 70-200 2.8 II) => Good choice.

for portraits sure..

but for landscape i prefer the 70-200mm f4 IS all day.

it´s lighter, much better for hiking etc.
and when do you use such wide apertures ( wider then f4) in landscape photography?
+1

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EOS Bodies / Re: Best FF option
« on: September 24, 2012, 07:54:43 AM »
For stills and landscapes go for a used 1Ds Mark III or new 5D Mark II.
I sold my 5D Mark III because the camera can´t reach the image quality of the 1Ds Mark III and 5D Mark II (from ISO 50 to ISO 800).

Can you please elaborate on 5D Mark II part? Are you referring to the stronger AA filter or is it something else?
I ask because I am thinking of a 5DMkIII to keep company to my ... 5DMkII 

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EOS Bodies / Re: 46.1mp Canon DSLR Previewed at PhotoPlus 2012? [CR1]
« on: September 23, 2012, 09:24:24 PM »
HAHAHAHA This is so funny, only a few months ago most of you were slating the d800 saying that it was over kill in MP,file size and that 22MP was the ideal number.
Now theres hints of a canon 46MP thats all out the window.
It will be interesting to see how this pans out, I can't see it having such specs with so hi Mp,fps and iso performance.

I wouldn't be surprised if it actual did come out but as more of a MF rival in a larger,extremely expensive body c300 style maybe.
Another funny thing is that a few years ago the 1Ds3 was the best camera for studios. Suddenly it's no good enough and many ask for a "high" megapixel camera!

P.S 21 or 22 MP is still the ideal number for me...

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Who upgraded from 5d mk2 to mk3 ?
« on: September 23, 2012, 08:32:49 PM »
1. Is anybody aware of the stronger AA filter?

2. Or the fact that raw files at high ISO are not that different - according to DPreview samples -between 5D2 and 5D3? Are all of you shooting jpgs only and are so impressed with 5D3?

In order to not be misunderstood: I am interested in 5D3 too. I am just having second thoughts ...

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EOS Bodies / Re: 46.1mp Canon DSLR Previewed at PhotoPlus 2012? [CR1]
« on: September 22, 2012, 07:23:06 PM »
Do we really believe Canon is all of a sudden capable of developing a 46 MP sensor with good iso and great DR?  The technology involved in such a beast would have to be far more advanced than the current sesnsors in 5D III and 1DX, and it wouldn't surprise me if D800 outshines it in both high iso (likely, esp with lower MP) and DR (as usual).

Now that is a good question! Unless they were almost ready and they were simply getting the most out of their old technology and ... our  money! (Which confuses me: Must I use this  ;D or that  >:( ?)

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Concerning the price, I think many of you forget there's a Zeiss 35mm f/2 in front of that tiny thing :)
It's a Zeiss that costs 800-1000 tops!

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