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EOS Bodies / Re: So frustrated with new 5DmkIII - returning it!
« on: March 26, 2012, 01:24:32 AM »
I thought the JPEGs were actually pretty good for ISO 3200 in a high school gym, varying light.

Camera   Canon EOS 5D Mark III
Exposure   0.001 sec (1/800)
Aperture   f/2.8
Focal Length   140 mm
ISO Speed   3200

70-200 2. 8 II


I posted these raw comparisons in a couple of other threads
https://rapidshare.com/files/265985045/045C0110.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/2949940123/IMG_8491.CR2


5D3L0657 by PVC 2012, on Flickr

I feel the 5D2 is sharper still


I saw these posted earlier but didn't look at them as closely as I did today. They don't look too bad, although they are on the soft side. They did sharpen up nicely with a subtle unsharp mask, though. Maybe my standards are just low :)

It sounds like the jpegs are real turds, though. Can anyone put up some sample jpegs? I'd like to see how bad the in-camera processing is.

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I thing the ACR6.7 shows up even softer
the out of camera jpegs are so bad i've just turned them off all together.

My initial feeling about the files is they are not as good as the 5Dmk2 however its to hard to call until proper raw converters come out.

I really dont know what they have done to the in camera jpg output but its not good

i've not processed any files yet just view in DPP and bridge and open in PS but the adobe ones are noticably softer than the dpp preview

 

I agree - I want a better RAW converter the ACR 6.7 was not very good either, though I am not 'underwhelmed' by the in camera JPEG.  Here is a sequence of shots - with out of the camera JPEG settings (except Landscape and WB set to 3200) - not too bad handling of either the JPEG engine or the AF / low light handling, these are a burst at 1/800, f 2.8 ISO 3200 with the 70-200 2/8 II.


5D3L0653 by PVC 2012, on Flickr

5D3L0654 by PVC 2012, on Flickr

5D3L0656 by PVC 2012, on Flickr


5D3L0657 by PVC 2012, on Flickr

5D3L0658 by PVC 2012, on Flickr

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 5D Mark 3 Queue @ B&H
« on: March 23, 2012, 11:57:26 AM »
xxx527xx arrived today !

Interesting workflow - see other thread on getting .CR2 into LR
ACR (with update) works great, but extra steps if using LR  :-\

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 5D Mark 3 Queue @ B&H
« on: March 22, 2012, 01:09:12 PM »
xxx527xxx EN ROUTE / UPS tonite - shooting tomorrow :) :) :) :)

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: DPP 3.11.10 and DLO Module
« on: March 21, 2012, 10:07:25 AM »
So is it safe to assume ACR or LR will be able to read the .CR2 files straight out of the Mark 3, or is there an update that needs to be installed.  I regularly run Adobe updater but have not found one lately.

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Portrait / Re: Candid portraits
« on: March 21, 2012, 10:04:22 AM »
Don't forget to include camera settings, situation, etc.  We are trying to learn from each other how to quickly capture candid moments, NOT how to set up lights, position models, etc.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 5DIII pre-order thread
« on: March 21, 2012, 08:36:26 AM »
Just to add a little fuel for fodder, my email confirmation came in 3/2/12 at 00:28 and I am very near the end of the xxxxx527xx, so I wonder how 'accurate' the email timing is - if it is based on the same 'clock' they sent it, or are the times on our emails based on when our email server clocks received it?

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EOS Bodies / Re: Weird Banding on shots....
« on: March 21, 2012, 08:31:36 AM »
How about situations like this where a flash is inappropriate?  Any other work-arounds in post-production or other camera settings (white balance, metering options) that might reduce it?OR,  Is this just a function of the higher ISO sensitivity?  I shoot in gyms like this all the time (7D/1dIV) using 1/800-1/1000,  up to ISO 3200-6400 and have never seen it.  Have I been 'lucky' that my shutter speed and the frequency of the flickering just have not been in synch, or has my camera been unable to detect it at these lower ISOs?

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 5D Mark 3 Queue @ B&H
« on: March 20, 2012, 01:01:51 PM »
Local shop in Pittsburgh (Bernie's) is still waiting on body only cameras - expecting shipment Th or FR. Did pre-order for 4 customers but placed an order for 'a few extra' for walking customers ??

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: DPP 3.11.10 and DLO Module
« on: March 20, 2012, 12:59:16 PM »
Would anyone run the .CR2 file through DPP first, then import the new (larger) .CR2 file into LR or does running it through DPP turn it into DNG ?

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EOS Bodies / Re: Upgrading from "x" to the 5D3
« on: March 19, 2012, 07:16:12 PM »
7D and 1dIV - will sell one or both - depending on if I get the 1dX too.   :)
Still waiting for some of Hurley's "LOST" Lotto Magic (4, 8, 15, 16, 23 and 42 )

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Lenses / Re: ef 35L on crop - experiences?
« on: March 18, 2012, 11:23:36 AM »

010 by PVC 2012, on Flickr

f2.5 1/1000, ISO 3200

Even with indoor lighting, this lens focuses quickly on a 7D
Depending on distance to subject, the bokeh can be much better than here, I stopped down to 2.5 to compare with my 17-35 (2.8) but can't find my compoaison shot, sorry.

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And M, makes no sense at all Sure you could set your limit time, but in AV you could get faster if the light allows it. And in M, the camera has to use higher ISOs because 1/800 F4 just doesn't work in bright sunlight with ISO 200, and its not allowed to use faster times in M. So no gain in picture quality there.


"If the light allows it", then presumably the only 'limitation' is if the light is changing frequently - point taken, but as I read it, in M mode, there are no shutter speed limits, so I STILL only see this as a problem for P mode and Av mode, which requires us to use our judgement in M mode.  Ideal no, but certainly not 'crippling'.

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Who needs the facts when we have so many learned opinionators ??

I think you missed the part where all those facts he listed are the same exact facts that we also listed and it is those facts where the problems lie.

Maybe I am mis-reading it then, but it seems the only time this 'minimum shutter speed limit' kicks in is in P or Av mode. While I see Neuro's and jrista's point, to me this seems to be just another small way to distinguish the 1 and 5 series, which should not be unexpected given the price differential.

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From the horses mou...erm, manuals...pages:



Pg. 56:
Auto ISO Range: Minimum 100; Maximum 12800



Pg. 125:
ISO Auto

If the ISO speed is set to "A" (Auto), the actual ISO speed to be set will be displayed when you press the shutter button halfway. As indicated below, the ISO speed will be set automatically to suit the shooting mode:

Shooting ModeISO Speed Setting
A+Automatically set within ISO 100 - 12800
P/ Tv/ Av/ MAutomatically set within ISO 100 - 26500 *1
BFixed at ISO 400 *1
With flashFixed at ISO 400 *1 *2 *3

*1: The actual ISO speed range depends on the [Minimum] and [Maximum] settings set in [Auto ISO Range].
*2: If fill flash will result in overexposure, ISO 100 or a higher ISO will be set.
*3: When using bounce flash with an external Speedlite in the <A+> and <P> modes, the ISO speed will automatically be set to ISO 400 - 1600.



As I get page 125, notes 1 and 2 indicate ISO will be set automatically within the full range, or if you have set Auto ISO Range limitations...within the range you have selected. In the case of bounce flash, it defaults to ISO 400 for third-party flashes, defaults to an ISO range of 400-1600 when using canon-brand Speedlight external flash, and WILL automatically select any ISO from 100 on if the camera metering decides the scene will over-expose.

From all that, it appears "Auto ISO" is pretty much indeed COMPLETELY automatic within the FULL RANGE of possible native ISO settings. The only case that seems limited outside of the context of exposure issues is Auto ISO + Flash when using a third party (i.e. non-Speedlite) brand.


Who needs the facts when we have so many learned opinionators ??

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