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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS M2 Not Coming to North America
« on: December 06, 2013, 02:21:34 AM »
Use the Amazon best sellers list. As of tonight, Canon has 13 of the top 20 best sellers. Nikon has 7.

Yes, that's where I normally visit for a rough gauge of interest level. And I usually take a peek once a week. Same goes for DPReview/Imaging Resource most-clicked cameras and BCNRanking.

All indicators show one CONSISTENT trend: dropping level of interest in Canon DSLRs. Point of reference? Just a couple of years ago, Canon DSLRs used to hog the various charts. Amazon bestselling DSLRs, BCNRanking, DPReview/Imaging Resource most clicked cameras etc etc. Even newly released cameras have great difficulties in dislodging the Canon DRebel or DRebel XT from the top of the most-clicked camera lists on DPReview/Imaging Resource.

It's true that Canon has not lost its lead in worldwide market shares for interchangeable cameras. But if the above trend persists and starts to grow in other parts of the world, Canon will surely lose their lead to Nikon. It's already happening in some parts of the world...

This is not exactly a bad thing. Canon will be forced to make some drastic improvements instead of plodding slowly along... ;)

It was exactly a couple of years ago when Canon was paper releasing, or announcing the release of, the 5D III and 1D X. It is, therefor, not surprising that interest in Canon equipment began to peak around that time. Official releases came about a year later, which also coincides with peaking of interest in Canon equipment.

Other brands release on different schedules. Nikon seems to be releasing something all the time. Sony has had a few compelling releases lately. Therefor, it is again no surprise that interest in those brands is peaking now, or has sustained a moderately higher level of interest lately.

Canon has not had any major releases lately. The announcement of a white paint job on a preexisting camera doesn't count as a major "release", or even a minor one...it's non-interesting outside of the initial scope of the announcement. When Canon releases a 7D II, or the big mp camera, interest will once again peak, those cameras will be reviewed, and tested, and compared and discussed at great length. IQ and DR and megapixels will all become the heart of heated debates day in and day out...probably for the span of a year. After that, people will lose interest...and get back to more productive things...like making photographs with the 7D II they so hotly debated.

Brands of physical equipment exist in cyclical markets. They don't have the option of controversially eliminating discrete products and product releases in favor of perpetual improvement schemes for unreasonably priced, recurring, perpetual fees like Adobe and the rest of the software world. Every brand has it's ebb and flow, its peaks and luls, it's oscillations. Canon had their peak, and have entered a lul. They will have another peak in a year or two, and another, and another, ad inf.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS M2 Not Coming to North America
« on: December 06, 2013, 12:59:51 AM »
What you don't see on Amazon is the buying habits of people outside the USA.

As opposed to the dpreview 'data' you provided, which doesn't show anyone buying anything anywhere.

No, it shows what cameras people are interested in. People are no longer as interested in looking at or reading about Canon cameras as they used to be.

Interested in in a five day span of time. Canon hasn't released anything in the last five days...so why would they be in that DPR list? When Canon releases something, especially something big, people will show interest.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: The Unthinkable: Swapped out 5D3 for 6D
« on: December 05, 2013, 11:33:59 PM »
to have such consistent problems focusing indicates either operator error or a defective copy.

Well considering that honestly out of 1000+ shots I only got 3 or 4 (the rest were out of focus) I was happy with I would say that it is possible I got a bad copy. Canon had done a workshop and brought equipment to borrow so I got the 5D3 for the day. I stuck my 7D is my camera vest and slapped on my EF 70-300L.

I was shooting with 2 friends who had already owned the 5D3 for quite a while and I was shooting with al kinds of different settings. I was asking tons of questions about the camera and I was gladly listening to their advice. Center point, AF expansion, aperture priority, whatever. I wanted to give the camera an honest try.

And for the record I am not on a crusade to prove anything. $3400 is a ton of mone

True, $3400 is a lot of money. No question there...although lately I've seen it less than $3000 on average (I've gotten quite a few email updates from CanonPriceWatch showing the camera as low as $2850 a couple times over the last few months.) Still, ~$3000 is a lot of money. That said, it has maintained a rough parity with the D800 price for quite a while, and the "advertised" prices are usually $3400 due to Canon's new MAP rules...you usually have to actually put it in your cart to see the true selling price.

I would give it another try. LensRentals has an excellent track record with shipping out quality gear, because they test everything upon return, so you should get a better copy. Make sure, if you are doing BIF, you configure the necessary AF custom functions to support continuous AF at all times, slow subject switching, AF drive vs. shutter activate priority, etc. to make sure you get consistent AF behavior. Try using one of the expansion modes as well, because the 5D III AF points are smaller than the 7D points, which makes it a lot harder to use just the single center point (which would be almost like trying to use the 7D's center spot AF, which is almost impossible for BIF.)

And I don't just use "spot AF" for BIF. I usually use just the center point or mainly the very center ones. (like center AF expansion)  I don't use "full auto AF" so that the camera just randomly picks what it thinks I want. I put the bird in the center and that way I know I have the best chance of it locking on to it and nothing else.

Oh, sure. I wasn't saying you used spot AF. I was saying that using a single center point on the 5D III is almost like using center spot AF on the 7D, as the 5D III's AF points, being part of a very dense reticular grid, are a little smaller. Using 4 or 8 point expansion makes 5D III center point AF VERY good.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS M2 Not Coming to North America
« on: December 05, 2013, 11:31:57 PM »
A couple of years ago, 8 out of 10 DSLRs sold in the USA carry the Canon logo... now, they are down to 6 out of 10.


Interesting.  Would you mind providing your source for those data?  Thanks!


A different but similarly interesting data point is the "top camera" search results on www.dpreview.com on their front page.

It used to be that Canon cameras were 6 out of 10 for a long while. Now Canon is 3 out of 10 and none in the top 5.

Use the Amazon best sellers list. As of tonight, Canon has 13 of the top 20 best sellers. Nikon has 7.


Is Sony even in the top 20 at all?


No, but it's a little bit hard to get a fair comparison because the new Sony's aren't DSLRs so they are in a different category.


True, but Sony also has DSLR cameras... I know a couple people who absolutely swear by them, one of them is a pretty good Colorado landscape photographer. But they always seem to be a minority, despite Sony's technologically superior sensors.

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Animal Kingdom / Re: Show your Bird Portraits
« on: December 05, 2013, 11:30:39 PM »

Flaming Sunbird (Aethopyga flagrans) by alabang, on Flickr

Settings: 1/50 ƒ/5.6 ISO 2500 800mm

I do not know what flower it is. Anyone want to take a stab at it?


That is either one huge flower, or one tiny bird. Can't say I know what the flower is though...sorry. ;P

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Animal Kingdom / Re: Show your Bird Portraits
« on: December 05, 2013, 10:31:28 PM »
Tri Colored Heron Portrait~

Wonderful shot. That creamy background is awesome...really helps enhance the subject. Getting that kind of background was one of the key reasons I got the 600/4, it really does wonders for subject isolation.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: The Unthinkable: Swapped out 5D3 for 6D
« on: December 05, 2013, 10:30:21 PM »
to have such consistent problems focusing indicates either operator error or a defective copy.

Well considering that honestly out of 1000+ shots I only got 3 or 4 (the rest were out of focus) I was happy with I would say that it is possible I got a bad copy. Canon had done a workshop and brought equipment to borrow so I got the 5D3 for the day. I stuck my 7D is my camera vest and slapped on my EF 70-300L.

I was shooting with 2 friends who had already owned the 5D3 for quite a while and I was shooting with al kinds of different settings. I was asking tons of questions about the camera and I was gladly listening to their advice. Center point, AF expansion, aperture priority, whatever. I wanted to give the camera an honest try.

And for the record I am not on a crusade to prove anything. $3400 is a ton of mone

True, $3400 is a lot of money. No question there...although lately I've seen it less than $3000 on average (I've gotten quite a few email updates from CanonPriceWatch showing the camera as low as $2850 a couple times over the last few months.) Still, ~$3000 is a lot of money. That said, it has maintained a rough parity with the D800 price for quite a while, and the "advertised" prices are usually $3400 due to Canon's new MAP rules...you usually have to actually put it in your cart to see the true selling price.

I would give it another try. LensRentals has an excellent track record with shipping out quality gear, because they test everything upon return, so you should get a better copy. Make sure, if you are doing BIF, you configure the necessary AF custom functions to support continuous AF at all times, slow subject switching, AF drive vs. shutter activate priority, etc. to make sure you get consistent AF behavior. Try using one of the expansion modes as well, because the 5D III AF points are smaller than the 7D points, which makes it a lot harder to use just the single center point (which would be almost like trying to use the 7D's center spot AF, which is almost impossible for BIF.)

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS M2 Not Coming to North America
« on: December 05, 2013, 10:25:46 PM »
A couple of years ago, 8 out of 10 DSLRs sold in the USA carry the Canon logo... now, they are down to 6 out of 10.


Interesting.  Would you mind providing your source for those data?  Thanks!


A different but similarly interesting data point is the "top camera" search results on www.dpreview.com on their front page.

It used to be that Canon cameras were 6 out of 10 for a long while. Now Canon is 3 out of 10 and none in the top 5.

Use the Amazon best sellers list. As of tonight, Canon has 13 of the top 20 best sellers. Nikon has 7.


Is Sony even in the top 20 at all?

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Lenses / New Samyang 10mm f/2.8 ultrawide! Looks impressive...
« on: December 05, 2013, 10:13:04 PM »
Samyang 10mm f/2.8 Manual Focus Wide Angle Prime

This looks pretty impressive. Samyang has made excellent wide angle primes for a while, but this is the first time I've seen one with a nano crystaline coating on an internal lens element. Canon and Nikon have been using nanocrystal coatings on internal elements for a while, and it has a truly amazing impact on reducing flare (total transmission loss is in the range of 0.1%, vs. often more than 1% for basic multicoating.

For rectilinear wide field astrophotography, this lens could be a true dream come true...not to mention the applications for high quality ultrawide landscape photography (especially on full frame!)

Curious to see how corner performance is. If it is anything like the 14mm and 24mm Samyang lenses, it should be phenomenal...but 10mm is pretty darn wide...

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS M2 Not Coming to North America
« on: December 05, 2013, 10:06:51 PM »
... but I'd like to add that even if Canon would consider low iso important, they have no hope on reaching or overtaking Nikon/Sony in this area due to patents, so it's smart to stop trying and expand their own strengths - which unfortunately seems to be amateur video and high-end sports/tele.

... or very fortunately for people who happen to do amateur video and high-end sports/tele.  And very fortunately for people who photograph weddings.  I just read a comment on Facebook from a Nikon using pro asking whether the skin tones from the new Df were like those from the D4, because the skin tones from his D4 were giving him problems.  I've seen dozens of Canon DSLRs (and bags full of Canon lenses) used by wedding videographers in recent years, and never once a Nikon or Sony.

Some would argue that this is the JPEG conversion, others would argue that it is due to sensor differences.

For weddings that I've been to, it has been a 50-50 split of Nikon vs Canon.

However, I see more "amateur wedding photographers" with an APS-C Canon DSLR than I do with Nikon. If someone has Nikon kit, they've got proper pro equipment.

I know a few dozen wedding, event, and portrait photographers. Two use a pair of D3, one uses a D3 and a D800 (his work is phenomenal, he LOVES the D800+14-24, but he still caters to the D3). Two use the D7000 (I think one upgraded to a D7100.) The rest use Canon 5D II and 5D III (many usually have a backup as well, sometimes its a 5D III + old 5D II, sometimes it is two 5D III bodies.) I know a few wedding and portrait photogs who use a 1D X + 5D III. A couple also use the 5D II/III + 7D as their backup. The most talked about is the 5D III, usually for one key feature: The quiet shooting mode!

Without question, particularly for weddings, the 5D line is the most frequently used camera amongst the people I know and know of. The 5D II might actually be the most ubiquitous wedding and portraiture camera I've encountered, at least here in Colorado. That goes for amateurs as well, and a few young budding wedding photographers (in their very late teens in some cases!) who show phenomenal skill and probably have rich careers ahead of them. Their gear is most often the 5D II + 24-70/2.8L + 70-200/2.8 L, with the 50/1.2L, 85/1.4L and 135/2 L filling in fairly frequently as well.

Given my experience, friends, and acquaintances (and the fact that I've moderated photo.stackexchange.com since 2010), the notion that "amateur wedding photographers" use APS-C Canon DSLRs is pure conjecture. The 5D II+70-200 seems to have become the amateur wedding photographer kit of choice, and given the excellent price/quality ratio of those two, it's no wonder why.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS M2 Not Coming to North America
« on: December 05, 2013, 09:50:00 PM »
... but I'd like to add that even if Canon would consider low iso important, they have no hope on reaching or overtaking Nikon/Sony in this area due to patents, so it's smart to stop trying and expand their own strengths - which unfortunately seems to be amateur video and high-end sports/tele.

I wouldn't say that is necessarily true. Canon's problem is their ADC and other downstream electronics, which exist off-die, operate at high frequency, and are only moderately parallelized. The direct readout from the sensor is usually pretty clean. It is when the downstream secondary amplifier kicks in, and when ADC occurs in the DIGIC chips, that the bulk of read noise is introduced.

I think Canon sensors are actually very good technology...they simply lack the image processing integration and digital readout that Sony Exmor has (the ADCs are hyperparallelized and on the sensor die). That said, when Canon published the press release about 120mp APS-H sensor, it clearly described some kind of on-die parallel "image processing" that sounded very much like Sony's Exmor. I don't recall anything about fully digital readout (i.e. with digital CDS and digital amplification), but Canon had to move the ADC on-die, and greatly increase it's parallelization, in order to achieve the 9.5fps readout of that monster volume of pixel data. They also have patents on that sensor.

So, while Canon likely won't create something that works exactly the same way as Exmor, they already have technology that is very similar in design...

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS M2 Not Coming to North America
« on: December 05, 2013, 09:24:13 PM »
A couple of years ago, 8 out of 10 DSLRs sold in the USA carry the Canon logo... now, they are down to 6 out of 10.

Interesting.  Would you mind providing your source for those data?  Thanks!

Ditto.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: The Unthinkable: Swapped out 5D3 for 6D
« on: December 05, 2013, 09:12:10 PM »
How does the light condition look like at -3EV? Who photographs at -3EV? Are those pics usable without flash? The 6D has only a very slim theoretical advantage (if one may call it that) over the 5D Mark III. In real terms, there's no reason why anyone would choose the 6D, with its primitive AF system, over the 5D Mark III. The only fact that makes sense is if you can't afford the 5D Mark III. That's the only, true reason here. Period!

I shoot at -3EV more than I would like to. But I do it. I have a baby and another young child in the house. There are also plenty of times when we are out at night and I don't have my flash with me. This weekend alone, we are going on a carriage ride at 8pm through a decorated neighborhood where there will be -3EV conditions a lot.

Again though, the center point of the 6D was not my motivation for making the swap. Just making a point.

Your assessment of why anyone would choose a 6D over a 5D3 is quite flawed and already proven to be so based on several users here in this thread alone. I already owned a 5D3 (two of them at one point). Furthermore, I'm pretty sure my glass collection alone covers the value of everything you have in your signature (if we want to get into being able to afford things).  ;D

I don't want to get into that (because I haven't listed in my signature everything I own  8) ). ... Unless you're using a 1DX, pics snapped at very high ISOs aren't usable.

Wow, that is simply not a tenable statement.


My point?  These are just a few examples of images that I have personally taken at very high ISOs with 6Ds that have had critical and commercial success.  As long as you nail exposure, images even at ISO 25,600 are often very usable.  It has been further noted that the noise from the 6D renders much more like film grain, superior even to the 5DIII in that regard.

Just to be fair, you DID apply noise reduction...by downsampling. Those are all downsampled by a fairly significant degree, and the filtering algorithm (usually BiCubic) applied during downsampling averages pixels together, which reduces noise. So, it really isn't fair to say there was no NR whatsoever. Even if you didn't use an explicit noise reduction tool, the downsampling itself is a form of NR.

That said, I totally agree...very high ISO settings are indeed usable on the 6D, 5D III, and 1D X. I've seen some bird photographs taken at ISO 51200 that had a minor amount of NR applied, and they looked as good or better than ISO 3200 from my 7D!!

Your point is true only for the way they are shared here.  The commercial use of these images are full size, without downsizing...and those images are still remarkably clean, even at pixel level.

They will only be as clean as physics allows, because the physical nature of light completely dominates at high ISO. There is a few percent improvement with the 6D and 5D III over prior Canon cameras, but the margin isn't nearly as significant as the sizes here or the default sizes on Flickr would indicate. In explicit terms, the 1024x682 pixel max size photo on Flickr is a mere 3.5% of the total area of the native 6D 5472x3648 image (an area of 698,368 vs. 19,961,856 pixels). The Flickr image looks really good, but a hell of a lot of original information was factored into its creation.

Again, this is just to be fair and honest with the evaluation of the results. Yes, the 6D performs very well at high ISO, however that isn't really due to the fact that it has low noise. The 6D performs better than the 5D III because it has better color noise characteristics...noise-wise, there is less than a percent difference in actual noise vs. the 5D III, or for that matter the 5D II. It fares better than Canon 18mp sensors when downsampling due to the fact that there are more total pixels, and larger pixels with greater native SNR to factor into the final results than something like the 7D.

All I am saying is that using heavily downsampled images to demonstrate noise levels or noise quality is a rather unfair approach. The only way to truly demonstrate differences in noise is to use identical pictures taken with different cameras and compare (preferably, both at 100% and at a normalized size.)

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: The Unthinkable: Swapped out 5D3 for 6D
« on: December 05, 2013, 06:29:42 PM »
How does the light condition look like at -3EV? Who photographs at -3EV? Are those pics usable without flash? The 6D has only a very slim theoretical advantage (if one may call it that) over the 5D Mark III. In real terms, there's no reason why anyone would choose the 6D, with its primitive AF system, over the 5D Mark III. The only fact that makes sense is if you can't afford the 5D Mark III. That's the only, true reason here. Period!


I shoot at -3EV more than I would like to. But I do it. I have a baby and another young child in the house. There are also plenty of times when we are out at night and I don't have my flash with me. This weekend alone, we are going on a carriage ride at 8pm through a decorated neighborhood where there will be -3EV conditions a lot.

Again though, the center point of the 6D was not my motivation for making the swap. Just making a point.

Your assessment of why anyone would choose a 6D over a 5D3 is quite flawed and already proven to be so based on several users here in this thread alone. I already owned a 5D3 (two of them at one point). Furthermore, I'm pretty sure my glass collection alone covers the value of everything you have in your signature (if we want to get into being able to afford things).  ;D


I don't want to get into that (because I haven't listed in my signature everything I own  8) ). ... Unless you're using a 1DX, pics snapped at very high ISOs aren't usable.


Wow, that is simply not a tenable statement.

ISO 20,000 from the 6D, no additional noise reduction:


ISO 25,600 (6D) - this one is licensed through Getty, has been purchased for commercial use, and I have directly sold art prints of it.


ISO 25,600 (6D) - taken at an event I was there to shoot professionally - client was very happy.


My point?  These are just a few examples of images that I have personally taken at very high ISOs with 6Ds that have had critical and commercial success.  As long as you nail exposure, images even at ISO 25,600 are often very usable.  It has been further noted that the noise from the 6D renders much more like film grain, superior even to the 5DIII in that regard.


Just to be fair, you DID apply noise reduction...by downsampling. Those are all downsampled by a fairly significant degree, and the filtering algorithm (usually BiCubic) applied during downsampling averages pixels together, which reduces noise. So, it really isn't fair to say there was no NR whatsoever. Even if you didn't use an explicit noise reduction tool, the downsampling itself is a form of NR.

That said, I totally agree...very high ISO settings are indeed usable on the 6D, 5D III, and 1D X. I've seen some bird photographs taken at ISO 51200 that had a minor amount of NR applied, and they looked as good or better than ISO 3200 from my 7D!!

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: The Unthinkable: Swapped out 5D3 for 6D
« on: December 05, 2013, 05:55:57 PM »

The 5D3 is a great camera but not worth (at least to me) the $3400 price tag. After reading people's thoughts and reviews I was expecting a powerhouse of a camera, and it really wasn't. I just couldn't justify spending the money on it to upgrade. The 7D is a VERY fast camera and very hard to beat in that department. I shot BIF (birds, raptors exactly, in flight) with the 5D3 and got 10 times more blurry bird shots than I did with my 7D! (Yes I KNOW how to set up my camera for birds in flight, I am NOT new to this! Please don't waste your time telling me how I didn't know what I was doing... I always select the center point on AF and use AI Servo...) I was also using my own EF 70-300L on the 5D3. That lens is lighting fast on AF, so I know the fault wasn't with the lens.

Not trying to start a fight here but.... you definitely didn't have the 5DIII AF set up correctly for the type of shooting you were doing (or something else was going on).  I have shot extensively with Rebels, 7D, 1DIV, 5DII and 5DIII for BIF... hands down the 5DIII is the best out of all of these regarding AF speed and accuracy.  The 7D does have a very good AF system but once you get the setup right on the 5DIII it is nothing short of amazing.

Regarding the OP.  Glad you sorted out your priorities.  It sounds like you are looking for some justification for your decision from the forum and there are definitely a lot of people who think along similar lines.  The 5DIII is a fully customizable workhorse and for many shooters it is certainly overkill.  The cameras you are using are great and will not hold you back from making great images.  Happy shooting.

Canon1, would you please share your setup for the 5DIII? I have been shooting with the 6D and I am not happy with it's AF, particularly it's slow focus lock time using a 70-300Lens. My 60D is much better.

So I intend to sell the 6D and buy a III. I shot a lot of birds and think I will be much happier.

How do you have your 6D focus set up? Are you using AI Servo?

For tracking moving subjects, such as birds in flight, you want to tune the AF system for AI Servo tracking of a locked on subject, with continuous AF search. You also want to make sure that the AF system is tuned to ensure focus is locked before releasing the shutter. These are all options in your 6D custom functions. Pull out your manual and read up on them, so you understand what each setting does. It only takes a minute to set it all up, then you are ready to go.

It also helps to decouple the AF-ON function from the shutter button. I usually configure the * button on the back of the camera as my AF-ON button, and the shutter button as meter on (half pressed) and activate shutter when fully pressed. This gives you FAR more control over AF, and gives you the ability to explicitly refocus on a different subject or retry focus when it stops just by releasing and pressing the * button again.

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