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EOS Bodies / Re: Women will hate D800 *full size image*
« on: March 27, 2012, 08:19:31 PM »
I am half looking at a real MF - the D800 would be just a faux MF. Would rather have a 80Mb MF

Good luck finding that for $3000.

D800 is a killer in resolution, DR, and even low light... its resolution and DR compares to MFDBs and its low light performance compares with D4. What more can you ask for?

Price is not the issue - I would expect somewhere in the region of $35k which is what you have to pay for the best.

I dont think in my remotist dreams think that a 36mp D800 will compare with a 80mp MF.

Low light performance? Iso 200 is fine for me with a MF. You dont shoot sports with a MF

Sorry, but it was YOU who compared D800 to MFDB. Highlighted above in red, you said that you were "half looking at a MF". That is comparing, still.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Women will hate D800 *full size image*
« on: March 27, 2012, 05:22:31 PM »
I am half looking at a real MF - the D800 would be just a faux MF. Would rather have a 80Mb MF

Good luck finding that for $3000.

D800 is a killer in resolution, DR, and even low light... its resolution and DR compares to MFDBs and its low light performance compares with D4. What more can you ask for?

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You know we want the usual, resolution, DR, but yes, also the ergonomics and the user interface.

I've been using Canon for ages, they just feel natural and work intuitively IMO.  I just got a little D5100 cuz it was easier to figure out than a D7000 for my first foray into their gear and still can provide excellent IQ.

I'd like to know how quickly you can reconfigure the D800 to optimize it for a rapidly changing scene.
E.g.  Can you quickly adjust the ISO, focus mode and AF point selection, shooting mode, aperture or shutter speed and then fire off a shot in a second or 2?

I can do that with the Canons I'm used to using, despite them trying to confuse me by rearranging the button layout on nearly every new body!  And I was able to do so quickly with my first Canon DLSR.

With the D5100 or worse yet, the D7000, I struggle to locate things I want to adjust quickly.  Icons and names of functions are sometimes not intuitive or downright different.  I know more practice with it will help but user interface has often befuddled me on Nikons.  Has the D800 improved in this regard?

That is our biggest concern as well... but photographers learn new interfaces and a little practice before major applications certainly help, hopefully. It is similar to OSx vs Windows... different interfaces, but people get used to switching after a while, especially if photography is what they spend their time on.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Women will hate D800 *full size image*
« on: March 26, 2012, 11:29:16 PM »
Look at her lower lips area at 100%  :o  :'( This camera is not meant for taking portraits of women.  :-X

http://www.bezergheanu.com/Other/Test-Nikon-D800/i-BN6QTnD/0/O/LAN1776.jpg


I suppose I'm the only one who finds women with facial hair rather sexy :D Distracting facial hair aside, this is one of the better sample image, IQ wise, from the D800 I've seen thus far.


I agree IQ wise, D800 is in another league. But the subject here is really not being portrayed in the most flattering manner.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Women will hate D800 *full size image*
« on: March 26, 2012, 11:27:06 PM »
I don't think it's been over-sharpened. Looks like a bad light set-up, or she needs to shave her lower lip next time. It looks really bad, as a portrait.

That's MHO

I agree. Given the already intense detail, narrow aperture, and 85mm right on the face, the lighting illuminating the hairs are not going to help either.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Women will hate D800 *full size image*
« on: March 26, 2012, 11:25:16 PM »
Seems to me to have been over sharpened

That, or the detail is simply overpowering. Probably a combination of both rendering a disgusting photo of a beautiful woman.

A few more pictures like that showing the D800 capabilities and the 5DIII will be the best seller :)

May be that will be 5D3's marketing line: we render soft images, so your models' faces will appear silky smooth!

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EOS Bodies / Re: Women will hate D800 *full size image*
« on: March 26, 2012, 11:19:02 PM »
Seems to me to have been over sharpened

That, or the detail is simply overpowering. Probably a combination of both rendering a disgusting photo of a beautiful woman.

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EOS Bodies / Women will hate D800 *full size image*
« on: March 26, 2012, 11:09:16 PM »
Look at her lower lips area at 100%  :o  :'( This camera is not meant for taking portraits of women.  :-X

http://www.bezergheanu.com/Other/Test-Nikon-D800/i-BN6QTnD/0/O/LAN1776.jpg


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When you're done pixel peeping take the cameras out in the real world and see which one is more fun to use.... Seriously.

Both camera should be "fun" for amateurs, as they are both excellent for any, especially amateur, use. However, pros will require their TOOLS to deliver and the value to be there, beside the usual fun of taking pictures.

So, DR, detail, ISO, AF, ergonomics, fps, etc are very important.

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We have already jumped ship to Nikon (still awaiting shipment), but would be interesting to see RAW DR-ISO-Detail comparison of a colorful and contrasty scene. Basically, process the best you can with the RAWs and compare how they fare against each other in multiple settings combinations.

My initial hunch is that 5d3 will be killed in DR and detail, but will triumph D800 in noise performance by a long shot.

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Without a doubt, D800 with lab proven DR 14+, its ISO 2800+, and a 36mpx detail totally blows its competition away. Heck, it is a $10,000 camera for less than 1/3rd price! No, good photographers will not get worse by using it... on the contrary, bad photographers might gain advantage by its cropping ability and other unmatched features.

Is it just the specs and lab tests of the D800 that you find so impressive, or do you find the D800's image quality equally as impressive?

All of the above!

D800 has amazing samples and amazing lab results. What more can you ask for?

Some more contrast and color. The 5DIII's files look sharper to me as well. All the D800 images I've seen so far look flat and lifeless. The D800's spec sheet is very impressive, but its images just aren't doing it for me. I suppose beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but I'm not one of those guys that gets a hard-on by blowing up an image up to 100% and oogling at the minute details that won't be reproduced in print anyways. 

My 5DIII shipped yesterday, and I'm wondering why I haven't cancelled by D800 pre-order yet. At this point, the only reason I haven't done so yet is because it's shabbat, and B&H is closed until Monday :)

OOC jpgs are really used as previews by us, so RAWs are really that count. Our shop does a lot of PP, so having high DR and high res that D800 has is advantage. Bring out all contrast and color from the RAWs. But for snapshots at low light, 5D3 jpgs are sufficient. Cheers.

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If you're in a studio then I can see that the D800 may be the more logical choice. But if you're not in a controlled environment the 5DmkIII would be better.

I think D800 will be better than 5D3 in every category except for high burst frames. Then, again, 5D3's metering is ancient, so those bursts might be off.

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Without a doubt, D800 with lab proven DR 14+, its ISO 2800+, and a 36mpx detail totally blows its competition away. Heck, it is a $10,000 camera for less than 1/3rd price! No, good photographers will not get worse by using it... on the contrary, bad photographers might gain advantage by its cropping ability and other unmatched features.

Is it just the specs and lab tests of the D800 that you find so impressive, or do you find the D800's image quality equally as impressive?

All of the above!

D800 has amazing samples and amazing lab results. What more can you ask for?

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I am saving for the 5DM3 but I will be happy if the pictures come close to these D800 samples:
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1097553

incredible detail.  Wow.


Another set of flat, lifeless D800 images. Where's the color and contrast?


With D800's DR of 14+ and color depth of 25+, highest ever, you can process the raw anyway you want. D800 is simply a better equipped tool for photography given its high DR, color depth, and ISO performance.

In comparison, the new Canons make good JPGs. How the mighty has fallen.

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If somebody asks, "how is a [fill in the blank] camera performing in DR, details, noise, etc?" and majority of the forum replies by saying something like: "who cares about the camera, it is about the photographer, just take good pictures, yada yada yada." as if having a better equipment makes one worse off. As if I am a better photographer for using a 11 DR 5D3 with low(er) detail capturing ability.

Well, having a high DR, high resolution, high noise control camera does NOT mean we are losing photography. This is not a zero sum game. A better technology means better images. No question about it.

Without a doubt, D800 with lab proven DR 14+, its ISO 2800+, and a 36mpx detail totally blows its competition away. Heck, it is a $10,000 camera for less than 1/3rd price! No, good photographers will not get worse by using it... on the contrary, bad photographers might gain advantage by its cropping ability and other unmatched features.

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