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If you're in a studio then I can see that the D800 may be the more logical choice. But if you're not in a controlled environment the 5DmkIII would be better.

I think D800 will be better than 5D3 in every category except for high burst frames. Then, again, 5D3's metering is ancient, so those bursts might be off.

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Without a doubt, D800 with lab proven DR 14+, its ISO 2800+, and a 36mpx detail totally blows its competition away. Heck, it is a $10,000 camera for less than 1/3rd price! No, good photographers will not get worse by using it... on the contrary, bad photographers might gain advantage by its cropping ability and other unmatched features.

Is it just the specs and lab tests of the D800 that you find so impressive, or do you find the D800's image quality equally as impressive?

All of the above!

D800 has amazing samples and amazing lab results. What more can you ask for?

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I am saving for the 5DM3 but I will be happy if the pictures come close to these D800 samples:
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1097553

incredible detail.  Wow.


Another set of flat, lifeless D800 images. Where's the color and contrast?


With D800's DR of 14+ and color depth of 25+, highest ever, you can process the raw anyway you want. D800 is simply a better equipped tool for photography given its high DR, color depth, and ISO performance.

In comparison, the new Canons make good JPGs. How the mighty has fallen.

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If somebody asks, "how is a [fill in the blank] camera performing in DR, details, noise, etc?" and majority of the forum replies by saying something like: "who cares about the camera, it is about the photographer, just take good pictures, yada yada yada." as if having a better equipment makes one worse off. As if I am a better photographer for using a 11 DR 5D3 with low(er) detail capturing ability.

Well, having a high DR, high resolution, high noise control camera does NOT mean we are losing photography. This is not a zero sum game. A better technology means better images. No question about it.

Without a doubt, D800 with lab proven DR 14+, its ISO 2800+, and a 36mpx detail totally blows its competition away. Heck, it is a $10,000 camera for less than 1/3rd price! No, good photographers will not get worse by using it... on the contrary, bad photographers might gain advantage by its cropping ability and other unmatched features.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 5D Mk III vs D800/E, is the 5D3 better at anything?
« on: March 14, 2012, 01:14:42 PM »
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That is because Canon users are getting hosed and they know it. I have been a loyal Canon buyer for almost my entire pro life and I feel like Nikon has better technology and value. Why settle for less?

Indeed 10 year old boys.
Batman vs Superman.

Hosted ??? Sure !!

When you have to pay hundreds of dollars more for a clearly inferior tool, then, yes, you are getting hosed. And if you feel you have some "loyalty" to a  brand whose manufacturer clearly sees its customers as suckers willing to shell out dough because they are "locked in", then more power to you, Mr. More Than 10 Year Old Big Boy!

Yep... It CLEARLY inferior... prove it with real world apples for apples tests... Oh yeah, you cant.

Real world samples are already out for everyone to see. D800 is clearly superior in detail and DR. 5Diii might have edge on the noise department, but the images just look flat, most likely due to excessive NR. Regardless, D800 is superior in that it provides much better detail and DR and comparable ISO performance.

If you want absolute empirical evidence, then we have to wait for lab tests. The samples, however, clearly indicate D800 being the superior in terms of value and delivery.

The only logical argument for keeping 5Diii is that you like intangibles such as Canon service levels, ergonomics, brand name, history, etc.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 5D Mk III vs D800/E, is the 5D3 better at anything?
« on: March 14, 2012, 12:08:45 PM »
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That is because Canon users are getting hosed and they know it. I have been a loyal Canon buyer for almost my entire pro life and I feel like Nikon has better technology and value. Why settle for less?

Indeed 10 year old boys.
Batman vs Superman.

Hosted ??? Sure !!

When you have to pay hundreds of dollars more for a clearly inferior tool, then, yes, you are getting hosed. And if you feel you have some "loyalty" to a  brand whose manufacturer clearly sees its customers as suckers willing to shell out dough because they are "locked in", then more power to you, Mr. More Than 10 Year Old Big Boy!

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EOS Bodies / Re: 5D Mk III vs D800/E, is the 5D3 better at anything?
« on: March 14, 2012, 11:53:01 AM »
Is it that Canon shooters are the most open minded shooters out there or have we gone crazy?  You go onto nikonrumors, say one bad thing about nikon, and you get openly flogged... you go onto canonrumors, say bad things about canon and people agree... right or wrong, if you love what the 5d3 has to offer, great, buy it if you are in a position to... If not, dont buy it, buy a 5d2, buy a 1d series, jump to nokin if you have to, but lets bring civility onto this board at least until the cameras are released, test, and found wanting.

That is because Canon users are getting hosed and they know it. I have been a loyal Canon buyer for almost my entire pro life and I feel like Nikon has better technology and value. Why settle for less?

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EOS Bodies / Re: 5D Mk III vs D800/E, is the 5D3 better at anything?
« on: March 14, 2012, 12:07:35 AM »
We did not have to think long and hard before deciding to pre-order D800 instead of 5Diii. Almost everything about D800 is better, including amazing DR and detail that can't be beat. Combined that with pro AF and ISO performance, Nikon just seems to get it these days.

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EOS Bodies / Re: The mythical 3D question
« on: March 13, 2012, 11:53:22 PM »
It would be stupid for Canon (or any manufacturer) to call a 2-dimensional camera "3D". In fact, that would be a marketing disaster. That being said, Canon, for its own sake, has to come with a high mpx FF soon, or it will get killed by Nikon and Sony.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Does high price of 5DIII make D7II more likely
« on: March 02, 2012, 02:06:12 PM »
D7 isn't coming anytime in the next 12 years.  8)

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EOS Bodies / Re: The (un)official I'm switching to Nikon thread
« on: February 29, 2012, 04:57:08 PM »
So maybe Canon is holding back their APS-C sensor tech back a little... so what? You can put the blame on Canon's marketing department for that.  They choosing to de-tune their crop bodies to a level that is below Nikon's strategy. It doesn't conclusively prove that Nikon is smashing Canon in sensor tech.

So, you're saying that Canon may have an awesome sensor tech that they aren't releasing due to marketing... okay, may be, but how does that BENEFIT us? The fact that the released sensor from Nikon smashes Canon.

Do you know something about the new sensor that the rest of us don't? Lets get the new sensors in our hands before we star talking about which company is smashing the other. Talking about old tech is pointless with the new stuff around the corner.

Perhaps I am not as optimistic as you in hoping Canon would have better sensor now when they have flat-lined since 2003. I hope they improve, though.

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EOS Bodies / Re: The (un)official I'm switching to Nikon thread
« on: February 29, 2012, 04:47:16 PM »
So maybe Canon is holding back their APS-C sensor tech back a little... so what? You can put the blame on Canon's marketing department for that.  They choosing to de-tune their crop bodies to a level that is below Nikon's strategy. It doesn't conclusively prove that Nikon is smashing Canon in sensor tech.

So, you're saying that Canon may have an awesome sensor tech that they aren't releasing due to marketing... okay, may be, but how does that BENEFIT us? The fact that the released sensor from Nikon smashes Canon.

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EOS Bodies / Re: The (un)official I'm switching to Nikon thread
« on: February 29, 2012, 04:45:05 PM »
again:

so what nikon developed sensor your are speaking about

Why are you fixated on the word "developed"? The fact that the sensor Nikon has inside it eats Canon alive is what concerning.

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EOS Bodies / Re: The (un)official I'm switching to Nikon thread
« on: February 29, 2012, 04:39:47 PM »
Canon's is being eaten alive by Nikon and Sony in sensor technology.


so what nikon developed sensor your are speaking about?


This might give a hint on where we're headed:


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EOS Bodies / Re: The (un)official I'm switching to Nikon thread
« on: February 29, 2012, 04:28:34 PM »
We have already pre-ordered 2 D4s and 2 D800 and 1 D800E for our 3Q assignments. And have decided to keep the Lenses for 1 year to see if Canon comes with something competitive.

It truly blows my mind that people make the "jumping ship" decision BEFORE CANON RELEASE ANY OFFICIAL SPECS!! WOW PEOPLE!! :o

Do we ever live in hyperreactionary times...driven by RUMORS no less!!  ::)

Canon's is being eaten alive by Nikon and Sony in sensor technology. Lack of DR at low ISO, noisy high ISO, retreat on MPx, crippling of AF, jackup of $, reliance on a brandname rather than value, etc. all contribute to our switching. Again, we can AFFORD to because our bodies need replacement and Lenses sell well anyway.

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