And MF sensors are decade old technology. Imagine if they have similar tech to modern FF CMOS sensors. They would have 18 stop DR and usable 1million ISO.
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I'm sorry, I don't buy this theory for a nanosecond.
I think the most likely reason that the 5D3 has the specification it has is that it is designed for wedding and event photographers. If you look at this market, the price, image quality and framerate is pretty well perfect, from what I understand.
Later in the year, likely a studio camera will come out with high MP, lower frame rate, perhaps worse autofocus.
For those with less cash (enthusiasts and amateurs), there is the 5D mk 2.
Nikon is a smaller company who don't have the resources of Canon, which is why they have to buy in sensors. Canon have already proven in the 7D sensor that they can make high density excellent sensors, and even allowing for lower yield of the larger die (dye?) it is still feasible to produce circa 50MP sensors.
Canon produce cameras for markets, in order to make money.
Is this annoying to some? Sure, but don't mistake it for incompetence. Head over to bythom.com to read about how Nikon create great cameras, and then cannot make anywhere near enough lenses OR bodies to satisfy demand - now THAT my friend is incompetence...
"I've noted many times, supply is not meeting demand for many items, and that's a dangerous proposition as you always leak sales to competitors when that happens." - Tom Hogan...
QuoteFor some people here, the facts make them uncomfortable
Make gearheads uncomfortable.
My eyes tell me enough.
No need for numbers.
Quotestatistics lie all day.. it´s a matter how you test.
So, are you saying that DxO is wrong? You must know better than professional testers.
Hmmm... give me funding so I can run my tests and I will give you whatever scores you would like... just saying.
Regardless of megapixels. What I actually found more interesting is the difference in IQ of 5d2 and 5d3 is rather small, and you can't really argue with megapixels here.
The dynamic range has practically stayed identical. Actually it went down by ~0.12 EV in the lower ISO range and improved only slightly in the high ISO range. The highest acceptable ISO performance how DxO defines it went from 1815 to 2293. That's certainly not 2 stops as canon has been touting. The 18% SNR is up by something like 1.5dB. Not a whole lot. Color depth has got something like a 1.3% improvement...
YEs, you were around to see the horrible images nikons produced in 2000 and you were around to see why almost everyone chose Canon back then.
Sour grapes? Really? I have no quams on post production and have been doing photoshop work before photoshop really became mainstream, BUT, to say that you have to do photoshop work JUST to get an image with pop, meh... and once you do get that pop, most the DR cancels out anyways. Both cameras have it's place... Then again to to go black and white with no shades of gray, with your conclusion of the sensor, high ISO, canon owns nikon, in FPS, canon owns nikon, in AF points (total and cross) canon owns nikon, in movie mode quality, canon owns nikon. Both cameras have their place in the market place.. It's not as black and white as you think my friend.
statistics lie all day.. it´s a matter how you test.
i don´t think they have made it easyer for average joe.
to fully understand the score you have to know what they are testing.
because DXO is based on resized images and noise threshold.
it´s a normalized test.
but then why buy a 36 MP camera if you normalize to a lower resolution?
because you can resample an image?
well yes you can resample to 8MP.... but that is not why i would buy a 36MP camera.
the DXO score is only a true representation if you resample/normalize the RAW image.
don´t get me wrong i think the DXO test IS usefull in some way.. just not in the way most interpret it.
i wonder how many retards will buy a D800 for sports based on the DXO test.
DXOmark is not for common people.. it´s for engineers who know what DXO is testing.
the stupid naming of the categorys (SPORTS) don´t help either.
90% of all visitors of DXOmark have NO clue how DXO is measuring sensor performance.
and from the 10% who know, only half understand why they measure that way.
You do have a point. There are other things beside a sensor, and Canon is certainly no slouch in FPS, AF, processing, video, and a lot of other qualities. And lenses! In fact, they are better in most of those areas, that is why they are competing. The fact still remains that their sensor is s##t and will only cause their cameras to produce not to their potential.
Imagine a D800-like sensor on the 5Diii body! *drools*
Yep... and i imagine crappy ISO performance, I imagine the extra work and WB issues that is popping up with the D800 just to get the image in the same realm of the 5d3 in terms of overall color, pop and effect, and imagine all the extra HD's and card needed to support the files.... Uhhh no thanks... I can see where some styles and some forms of photography would benefit, but it is not the all to be all... Canon is to old slide film as nikon is the negative film... The slides just had better pop, better and vibrant colors, more "wow" factor... Negatives COULD have more latitude but in the end, a lot more work/care was needed to get negatives in print to get remotely close to the slide image. The same is being proven true with D800 files and the 5d3 files...
Okay, we can cry bias and be in complete denial, but Canon has inferior sensor from the early 2000! Their tech is a decade behind than Nikon. When will they start accepting the fact and invest a little more? It used to be Canon could at least claim "we have high megapixels", but now they can only claim "DXO is biased".
We need competition, otherwise Nikon will become stagnant, just like Canon has become. Sorry for the rant, not trying to rub salt on our collective Canon wounds.
So you're saying that decade old technology is still competing with Nikon's current technology? There's more to a camera system than the sensor believe it or not, and Canon is doing a better job at building a well rounded, system that works very well in many situations.