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EOS Bodies / Re: Congratulations Canon to another great Camera release!!

« on: March 24, 2013, 09:58:02 AM »

Also, whatever you might say about the "majority of rebel users" -- I wonder how many 5-series and 1-series users start out as Rebel users ? (I did) There is a delicate balance here -- they do want to be able to encourage these people to ultimately upgrade to a 5 or 1 series body but they don't want to make the entry level body so awful that these users start out with a different manufacturer.

As did I.  So for us at least, and I suspect there are lots of others like us, it seems their 'cripple the low end to drive up-marketing' strategy is working rather well. 

I suspect that there are many more who are not "like us" -- we have more disposable income than the typical hobbyists.

I started out in the DSLR world with a 550D and soon after bought a 24-105 new. Later I bought a 5D classic and was sold on FF for good.
I was waiting with credit card in hand to pre order the 5DIII for 2800 bucks or less, but alas, it wasn't to be. One of the main reasons for me choosing Canon at first was their more reasonable pricing than Nikon(at the time(2009)).
By the time the 24-70 II was announced and the 6D vs D600, I had had enough and was sick of the new pricing strategy(everything expensive(except the 40mm, which I don't need) and the lack of exciting products(less exciting specs than the competition, similar or lower rated reviews to the competition, No RX1 competition, and slow 2.8 primes.)
I chose to buy a used D700 and a 24-70 from Nikon. I was worried about switching brands, but at this point, i'd feel like a fool if i hadn't.
To be honest, i'm pretty much done with big DSLRs and heavy glass. I'm not a Nikon fanboy at all. My next camera will either be an RX1 or any FF mirrorless camera or SL1 sized full frame.
I truly hope Canon, Nikon, Fuji, or Sony make this in the next year before I start another year of travel. I'd be happy to switch back to Canon if they can create that sense of confidence in their pricing, and exciting new products that has been missing the past couple of years.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Congratulations Canon to another great Camera release!!

« on: March 22, 2013, 12:27:21 PM »

Dude, what dont you get, AFMA is a pull through to get you to buy a better camera

no boy, what you don´t get is that im not someone who just silently swallows sh*t... because "it is that way".

im well aware why canon does that... no need to waste 2000 words.

but when i think something sux then i say it.

haha, thank you so much for saying this in such a clear way. This is how I often feel, it's just hard for me to state it so clearly.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Announces the EOS T5i

« on: March 22, 2013, 12:23:41 AM »

To all the people who stand up for Canon no matter what happens and defend the similar sensors, FPS, no AFMA, lame AF and lack of new features on rebels by saying things like, "what do you expect"....
well, I expect lower prices for the same products over time, or increased features at similar prices. This is technology after all, not furniture or vegetables.
Things should always be improving or the prices should come down..... end of story.

The reason why Canon continues to offer these less than exciting products is because some people will defend them no matter what, and uneducated consumers will continue to purchase whatever is new regardless of how much better it is than the previous product.
My advice to friends and beginners to the camera world would be to buy a used 550D, 7D, or D7000. If they want new, I'd say get a Nikon D3200, D5200, D7100 or get a NEX.  I truly hope the 7DII and 70D are awesome, but they are nowhere to be found. This isn't trolling, there just isn't anything compelling to me from Canon below the 5DIII. I'm sure others may disagree.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Announces the EOS T5i

« on: March 21, 2013, 10:32:30 AM »

i'm pretty sure there were some hardcore canon fanboys saying something about them being innovative just a day or two ago....
where are they now?

this release is an all time low, even for canon. There is literally nothing here to remark upon. They could've at least made the SL1 the new rebel and said they made it smaller.
both of these new releases are exactly the same level of blah. don't they at least want to try to compete with the new D7100?

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS Rebel T5i Leaks

« on: March 19, 2013, 10:34:11 PM »

My only question is why didn't they just make the EOS-B the new rebel?
The EOS-B has very similar specs to this and is a smaller size. At least if the EOS-B was the new rebel they could say that they changed something and made it smaller, lighter, but with even better performance.
This camera seems to be stuck in no mans land.... not so small, not so cheap, and with totally blah specs. At least I could consider trading my T2i for the EOS-B(which I would never do), this camera offers no good reasons to do so.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 100D Detailed Specs Appear

« on: March 19, 2013, 09:57:58 PM »

OK, at the time of it's introduction the D800 had already been announced. The D800 was announced Feb 7th, 2012, the 5DIII March 2nd. The 1DX was announced on Oct 18, 2011 and released in March. So, it was never actually surpassed by the 1DX, it never was as good. I'm not slamming the 5DIII AF, as it is awesome, i'm just showing that your facts aren't facts at all.

Physician, kettle, mote, etc.

I and thousands others had thousands of exposures on our 5DIIIs long before you could even officially pre-order a 1Dx. And the D800 is many wonderful things, but it only surpasses the 5DIII in megapickle count and dynamic range -- its autofocus is far shy of the 5DIII's -- as are almost all of its other features. That you should suggest it's got better autofocus than the 5DIII...and then start whipping the dead dynamic range horse and claiming the D800 has better high ISO performance....

...yeah. Troll.

Even if you're not intentionally trolling, which I rather doubt by now, you're still trolling.

Cheers,

b&

Neuro, are you ready to stop standing on the sidelines while people argue against my FACTS with their OPINIONS. I have been killed on this board for using my opinion to make arguments many times. I presented factual numbers from DXOMARK. I explained that I don't think they are the best numbers, but they are at least numbers by a lab. What have you used for your argument, 100% opinion.
The D800 was measured as having better high ISO performance than the 5DIII.
I'm not saying it's a better camera, i'm simply saying that YOU ARE USING OPINION.
DO YOU HAVE ANY FACTS TO SHOW THAT THE 5DIII has better HIGH ISO performance?
Are you even reading my posts? I never said the D800 has better AF. I said the 1DX has better AF and that it was announced before the 5DIII. Whether it was available or not at the time, there was never any doubt in my mind that the AF of the 1DX would be superior.
You guys just spent a page killing our newcomer for not agreeing with you, all the while you have ignored that I presented numbers showing the D800 has better high ISO performance. I never mentioned DR in any earlier posts as I agree it is has been overblown(pardon the pun), however I don't discount it's importance. It's obviously better to have good DR than not to.
How did you rebuke the high ISO dxomark scores? by yeling, "Troll" "Troll" "troll"
TrumpetPower, please show me numbers, not opinions, but factual evidence from anywhere showing that the 5DIII is better at high ISO? I'm curious to see why you are so positive that the 5DIII is better.

As I said in earlier posts, I don't really care all that much for DXOMark, but I don't know where else to turn for lab measured numbers on cameras.
Also, people on this board can bash DXOmark scores all they want, but when Admin posted this thread with false 1DX scores, people were thrilled to gloat about the superior scores of the 1DX.... until they found out the numbers were false, when they went back to hating DXO. lol!  http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=10075.0
You can disagree with me all you want, it's fine. But please don't call me a troll when i'm at least trying to give evidence. All you have given us is your opinion.
Once again, please show me where any 3rd party has definitively said the 5DIII has better high ISO.

What are you trying to achieve?

To show that my opinions based on facts are being lambasted by simple opinions with no facts?

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 100D Detailed Specs Appear

« on: March 19, 2013, 09:30:34 PM »

OK, at the time of it's introduction the D800 had already been announced. The D800 was announced Feb 7th, 2012, the 5DIII March 2nd. The 1DX was announced on Oct 18, 2011 and released in March. So, it was never actually surpassed by the 1DX, it never was as good. I'm not slamming the 5DIII AF, as it is awesome, i'm just showing that your facts aren't facts at all.

Physician, kettle, mote, etc.

I and thousands others had thousands of exposures on our 5DIIIs long before you could even officially pre-order a 1Dx. And the D800 is many wonderful things, but it only surpasses the 5DIII in megapickle count and dynamic range -- its autofocus is far shy of the 5DIII's -- as are almost all of its other features. That you should suggest it's got better autofocus than the 5DIII...and then start whipping the dead dynamic range horse and claiming the D800 has better high ISO performance....

...yeah. Troll.

Even if you're not intentionally trolling, which I rather doubt by now, you're still trolling.

Cheers,

b&

Neuro, are you ready to stop standing on the sidelines while people argue against my FACTS with their OPINIONS. I have been killed on this board for using my opinion to make arguments many times. I presented factual numbers from DXOMARK. I explained that I don't think they are the best numbers, but they are at least numbers by a lab. What have you used for your argument, 100% opinion.
The D800 was measured as having better high ISO performance than the 5DIII.
I'm not saying it's a better camera, i'm simply saying that YOU ARE USING OPINION.
DO YOU HAVE ANY FACTS TO SHOW THAT THE 5DIII has better HIGH ISO performance?
Are you even reading my posts? I never said the D800 has better AF. I said the 1DX has better AF and that it was announced before the 5DIII. Whether it was available or not at the time, there was never any doubt in my mind that the AF of the 1DX would be superior.
You guys just spent a page killing our newcomer for not agreeing with you, all the while you have ignored that I presented numbers showing the D800 has better high ISO performance. I never mentioned DR in any earlier posts as I agree it is has been overblown(pardon the pun), however I don't discount it's importance. It's obviously better to have good DR than not to.
How did you rebuke the high ISO dxomark scores? by yeling, "Troll" "Troll" "troll"
TrumpetPower, please show me numbers, not opinions, but factual evidence from anywhere showing that the 5DIII is better at high ISO? I'm curious to see why you are so positive that the 5DIII is better.

As I said in earlier posts, I don't really care all that much for DXOMark, but I don't know where else to turn for lab measured numbers on cameras.
Also, people on this board can bash DXOmark scores all they want, but when Admin posted this thread with false 1DX scores, people were thrilled to gloat about the superior scores of the 1DX.... until they found out the numbers were false, when they went back to hating DXO. lol!  http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=10075.0
You can disagree with me all you want, it's fine. But please don't call me a troll when i'm at least trying to give evidence. All you have given us is your opinion.
Once again, please show me where any 3rd party has definitively said the 5DIII has better high ISO.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 100D Detailed Specs Appear

« on: March 19, 2013, 12:56:27 PM »

You can say all the great things you want about the 5DIII, but it's pretty rare anyone calls it innovative, and that doesn't make it a bad DSLR.

Insisting that the 5DIII isn't innovative is most certainly trolling.

At the time of its introduction, it had the best autofocus system of any camera by any manufacturer, period. It's only since been surpassed by the 1Dx.

At the time of its introduction, it had the best high ISO performance of any camera by any manufacturer, period. That, too, has only since been surpassed by the 1Dx.

OK, at the time of it's introduction the D800 had already been announced. The D800 was announced Feb 7th, 2012, the 5DIII March 2nd. The 1DX was announced on Oct 18, 2011 and released in March. So, it was never actually surpassed by the 1DX, it never was as good. I'm not slamming the 5DIII AF, as it is awesome, i'm just showing that your facts aren't facts at all. Additionally, I have never heard anyone say that the 5DIII has the best AF of any camera on the market. The 1DX and D4 should be better(i haven't used them outside of a showroom.)
Additionally, The 5DIII has worse high ISO performance than the D800 according to DXOmark. It's ISO rating is 2293 while the D800 is 2853. I'm not a DXO mark fan, but I don't know where else to turn for objective high ISO numbers.
Nothing you stated is a fact.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 100D Detailed Specs Appear

« on: March 19, 2013, 12:13:33 PM »

The 5DIII is just more or less a refreshed D700 with double the MP's.... which is awesome, but not exactly innovative....

Yawn. Trolling troll is trollish.

And completely overlooks the 1Dx, the Great Whites, the TS-Es, the 24-70 II and 70-200 II, the MP-E 65....

How is this trolling?
first of all, I did mention that Canon has innovative lenses.
second of all, I did mention that "among top tier DSLR gear there isn't much difference", this was meant to say that the 1DX and D4 are fairly equal, and anyone would be hard pressed to say one is significantly better than the other.
Third, 24-70II is great, but its 600 dollars more than I paid for my Nikon 24-70, and i've never heard anyone say they want to trade the Nikon for the Canon(nor have I heard vice versa.) I think they're both great.
fourth, saying the 5DIII is an updated D700 with double the MP's isn't a bad thing. The 5DIII is the camera most Nikon fans were hoping to replace the D700. It's a great camera, and I seriously considered buying it, but ultimately it was just a little too expensive for my needs, especially along with the Canon 24-70 II.
You can say all the great things you want about the 5DIII, but it's pretty rare anyone calls it innovative, and that doesn't make it a bad DSLR.
Is it bad that the RX1 with interchangeable lenses is my dream camera? Whichever company makes this for a reasonable price(ie comparable to 5DIIIish) will instantly attract me as a huge fanboy. I'm not a Nikon Troll, Sony Troll, anything, i'm just a camera fan who happens to own both Canon and Nikon DSLR's and is very tempted to buy an RX1.
I'm not tempted to buy this camera at all. But I would have been if it was FF with similar to 5DIII specs for 3000 bucks, which would definitely have been innovative. This camera just sounds like an upgraded XTi. It's good if you don't have a DSLR or just like new toys... but I wouldn't buy this when I already own a 550D.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS-b Images Leak & a New Kit Lens

« on: March 19, 2013, 11:02:23 AM »

"EOS-b"?

What customer is going to buy a "b" camera?
i.e. how many will ask "So where is the EOS-a?" and want to buy that?

Funny, that was my very FIRST impression when I read the announcement this morning.  What happened to the "a" model.

seriously,
who named this camera? EOS-B? are they aiming at being the next edsel? this is one of the worst, most confusing names for a product i've heard in a really long time, calling something "B" is a really poor choice the US.
the only way this makes is if there's an EOS-A coming to the market soon that is better.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 100D Detailed Specs Appear

« on: March 19, 2013, 10:43:58 AM »

I have 4 canon dslr bodies and a set of L lenses to go with them. The NEX system has Zeiss lenses just for their system which are excellent in IQ. The 16MP sensor in the nex 6 is excellent, AND you get AF all the time.

Canon is way behind Nikon and Sony as far as IQ and innovative products.

Are you sure you got that right ... You mean you have 4 DSLR canon bodies and L lenses and they have poor IQ as compared to Nikons and Sony?

Troll post if ever I saw one!

In terms of IQ, I don't think there is much difference among the top tier DSLR gear, but in terms of the entry level cameras, I think Canon is definitely getting a little long in the tooth, especially when comparing the 18mp APS-C Canon sensor with other entry level DSLR's. This should hopefully change this year when Canon refreshes the 60D and 7D.
In terms of innovative, outside of lenses, i'd be curious which Canon bodies you'd describe as innovative...?
the EOS-M is just another APS-C mirrorless, nothing too crazy compared to anything else on the market, although a nice option for people with tons of Canon glass. I haven't heard anyone say it has brought anything new or exciting to the mirrorless market.
The 5DIII is just more or less a refreshed D700 with double the MP's.... which is awesome, but not exactly innovative....
In terms of innovative in DSLR world i'd say the only ones I can think of are the A99(which I would never buy) and the D800E(also not interested.)
In terms of small form factor, I think the most innovative cameras are the NEX series and the RX1/RX100, along with the Fujis.
I'm sure i'm missing a few from other brands, but at least over the last 4 years, Canon has been anything but innovative in terms of bodies.
CanoSony, it's a tough crowd here sometimes if you're not an ultra Canon fanboy 24/7,
Welcome to the forum, it' always good to see new opinions around here.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 100D Detailed Specs Appear

« on: March 18, 2013, 11:45:36 PM »

if this was ff with the 5DIII AF i'd preorder for 2500 bucks. As it is, i have zero interest at all unless it is around 300 dollars.
Why does small have to mean lame specs?

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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 100D Coming? [CR1]

« on: March 16, 2013, 10:17:52 PM »

yeah!!!! a diminutive, even more entry level DSLR that is a bit expensive! Wow, Canon really knows how to make people happy these days!

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EOS Bodies / Re: The Next Rebel? [CR1]

« on: March 14, 2013, 11:43:59 AM »

yawn....
550D sensor and 9AF points? what's the point of this camera?
Don't we already have a 650D, EOS-M, 60D, 600D, 550D, etc with these same basic specs?
Canon has been super boring lately.

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EOS Bodies / Re: A New DSLR Line from Canon? [CR1]

« on: March 13, 2013, 09:39:33 AM »

why does this have to be entry level? why cant Canon make a full frame interchangeable lens camera with a form smaller than a DSLR.
I know some of you out there cant hold tiny cameras, but for me, walking or carrying a backpack for 8 or 12 hours in a day around town, or walking to work, traveling, size and quality is everything... along with quick and accurate AF.
Canon, please make this dream of mine come true.

The 6D does seem to be looking to cater for a smaller FF body so I'm not sure we'll see something similar released in the next couple of years.

If the 6D is the smallest FF camera Canon makes in the next couple years I will be very disappointed. I don't understand why companies cant give the market a FF compact high end body on par with the M series but with AF. The M9 has been out for years already(4-5?) and no camera company can match anything like that yet? I'm about to just buy an RX1 and sell all my DSLR stuff. It's fun to shoot if I have a car and i'm just out for a few hours, but traveling or carrying a DSLR around all day, to work, on the bus, it's just too heavy to really enjoy it.