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EOS Bodies / Re: Hugely Disappointed In 5D III Price

« on: March 12, 2012, 09:52:44 PM »

It's possible that Nikon is pricing the D800 very aggressively in an effort to take Canon's users.  You have to look at camera bodies like video game systems, they sell you the body, but we all know you can't do jack with just a body.  You have to buy lenses, flashes, batteries, and other accessories.  Maybe in Nikon's eyes they're simply giving up $500 initially because they know they'll get thousands more out of it in the future.  Just a thought.

This. If the 5DIII was the same price as the 5DII, I would have bought the 24-70 II and the 5DIII in the next 9 months.
However, after sticker shock with the 24-70, the sticker shock of the 5DIII was really just disconcerting for me. I am not spending over 5k on camera gear anytime soon.
I will probably wait for a few months and see about the possibilities of a 2k-2500 dollar FF camera being released by either company, or simply buy a D700 and the Nikon 24-70 in the summer.
If Canon wants to put premium pricing on their lenses i'd expect very competitive pricing for their cameras.
What I don't understand is how they can go from being priced below Nikon across the board to being priced above Nikon across the board in one wave of product releases.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Hugely Disappointed In 5D III Price

« on: March 11, 2012, 11:18:44 PM »

Anyone see that the D800 is at the #22 spot on the Amazon top sellers while the 5DIII has fallen to #83? Seeing the price in the dead center between 3-4k looks a lot less appetizing than seeing a $2xxx to start things off.
I think Canon really missed the boat with their initial price and I don't understand what caused them to think their camera was worth 500 dollars more than the Nikon System(when for the last few years they were firmly lower than Nikon in pricing.)

please, please, please save me the lectures on inflation, exchange rates, etc.... I am simply COMPARING the prices of one camera brand to another which happen to be from the same country.

those numbers are all over the place and its only one vendor. Most pros would buy from B&H or Adorama. Its too early to say who will come ahead. All I know is that many D700 guys are not upgrading and not many Canon guys with any serious array of lenses are not panicking and moving over.

Very true. I doubt there is too much movement either way from one brand to another at this point.
Compared on the release dates though, I am surprised that the 5DIII is so far behind the D800 in the sales rankings.
If either brand comes up with a new FF camera between 2000 and 2500 dollars, I think that is what would cause massive sales. I'm still a little shocked that Canon didn't come up with a FF camera for the masses at a more reasonable price point. At 2300 dollars I personally know about 5-10 people who would consider it. All of these people currently use 5D's/60D's/7D or D7000's and don't want to pay 3000 dollars for a camera. It's a huge jump from 1200-1500(computer range of pricing) dollars to 3000 dollars(cheap car pricing.)

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EOS Bodies / Re: Hugely Disappointed In 5D III Price

« on: March 11, 2012, 10:18:28 PM »

Anyone see that the D800 is at the #22 spot on the Amazon top sellers while the 5DIII has fallen to #83? Seeing the price in the dead center between 3-4k looks a lot less appetizing than seeing a $2xxx to start things off.
I think Canon really missed the boat with their initial price and I don't understand what caused them to think their camera was worth 500 dollars more than the Nikon System(when for the last few years they were firmly lower than Nikon in pricing.)

please, please, please save me the lectures on inflation, exchange rates, etc.... I am simply COMPARING the prices of one camera brand to another which happen to be from the same country.

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EOS Bodies / Re: What would make $3500 for 5DmIII justifiable for you?

« on: March 08, 2012, 11:34:28 PM »

If people unanimously hailed this as an amazing camera and a huge step up from the 5DII.
Instead I see it as an improvement in all the expected ways, and I actually see some mixed reviews out there.
I have actually seen quite a bit of bad press about this camera from people looking at the sample photos(black outlines, similar DR to 5DII, soft images, poor HDR rendering.) I'm not sure if these are facts or just poor samples/firmware but my mind has not been blown by this camera yet.
I see no evidence that this camera is significantly better than the Nikon offering.
At this point, I'd rather just have an exact 5DII with the 7D AF and have it be 2500 dollars for preorder(I cant see why this isn't doable 3.5 years later.)

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EOS Bodies / Re: 5D Mk III Kit Lenses

« on: March 08, 2012, 12:33:01 AM »

According to our dealers here in australia there are 2 kits the 24-105 kit and the kit with the 24-70 II
leedervilles price for the 24-70 kit was tempting as it put the lens at $2200
god knows what the retail on those lenses are going to be here maybe $2800 or 3k

Yep i'm in Oz too as it happens, but I'm more keen to find out when the 24-70 II kit will be in the US so I can go over there and buy one

It just surprises me that there aren't more people in the States asking whether this will be a kit and when!

I think hong kong will be cheapest as it usually is also mainland china have very good prices on high end camera gear too

HK as prices equal to ebay pricing in the states. Mainland China may have good pricing compared to Australia, but if you're are from the US you will be shocked/laughing at the prices for DSLR gear here in China.

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EOS Bodies / Re: The 5D3 is laging behind the D800 in the vote of Chinese biggest twitter!!

« on: March 06, 2012, 05:39:09 AM »

You should also consider the history of Camera ownership in mainland China it is still largely an immature market and ownership of SLR's is low because of affordability and lifestyle. Loads of point and shoots, as well as a large wedding photo business market.  Walking around in China with a 5D II still draws lots of attention, tripods and filters are very rare, but if you go to a scenic place to take a photo, be prepared to be engaged in a crowd of snappers, firing flash at the sunrise, enjoying the experience.

So while there are some very good photographers in China, I would take this survey as coming from a very unique perspective.

Ownership of SLR's is low??? I don't think so!! Every time I go scenic places I see loads of XXXD with kit lens~~
I don't think a 5D mark II will draw any attention in China, a Leica M9 maybe

This.
I see DSLR's and tripods all the time here in Chongqing, and this is far from being an upscale consumer hub like Shanghai, Beijing or Hong Kong.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Hugely Disappointed In 5D III Price

« on: March 04, 2012, 09:37:51 AM »

I just recently switched from Nikon to Canon.

The reason i switched to Canon was for the glass. In my opinion that will give you the best image quality boost for your buck. I too was waiting for the Mark3 but I am still happy with a Mark2 for $2000.

I dont understand all the complaining on the $3500 price tag. If you don't want to spend it... don't. But don't think that $500 will be left in your pocket after your switch to Nikon. Nikon glass is more expensive so it will cost ya more.

I absolutely would have agreed with you..... until I saw the 24-70 2.8 II
2300 dollars!
After that, I thought for sure the 5DIII would be a reasonable price so as to tempt people with the camera then get them to buy expensive glass later... but no.
Now i'm looking at an extra 1000 dollars to have a Canon 5DIII and a 24-70 instead of an 800 with the same.
The recent trend at Canon is really high priced glass(and now camera bodies too,) and I don't see any sign that this will be changing.

Oh please dont make me explain yet again the difference between msrp and street prices. Wait 3 months and you will find the difference disappear like ice in the Grand Canyon in the summer

I know you know a lot about cameras, gear and whatnot, but I really don't need your help in understanding the difference between MSRP and the actual street price.
I was hoping(and expecting) that this body would fall in at or below the Nikon offering of 3000 dollars. I was looking forward to waiting a few months and buying this at XMas or early next year hopefully for around 2500-2700 or less. At this point I'm thinking at best this camera will be 3100 for XMas, which is just too much for me to consider spending on a camera.
While this camera will obviously be a step up from the 5DII, it is basically exactly what I expected(with maybe a few more AF points), if I would have been absolutely blown away by some specs or something maybe I'd accept the price a little easier. But nothing in this camera is earthshatteringly impressive or unexpected.

Brian, I know you have a truckload of Canon gear and were obviously going to buy this camera whether it was 2200 or 4000 dollars, so why are you in the "hugely disappointed in the price" thread?
Not everyone who is disappointed in the price is clueless or lacks understanding of pricing, exchange rates, or inflation.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Hugely Disappointed In 5D III Price

« on: March 03, 2012, 07:09:03 PM »

I just recently switched from Nikon to Canon.

The reason i switched to Canon was for the glass. In my opinion that will give you the best image quality boost for your buck. I too was waiting for the Mark3 but I am still happy with a Mark2 for $2000.

I dont understand all the complaining on the $3500 price tag. If you don't want to spend it... don't. But don't think that $500 will be left in your pocket after your switch to Nikon. Nikon glass is more expensive so it will cost ya more.

I absolutely would have agreed with you..... until I saw the 24-70 2.8 II
2300 dollars!
After that, I thought for sure the 5DIII would be a reasonable price so as to tempt people with the camera then get them to buy expensive glass later... but no.
Now i'm looking at an extra 1000 dollars to have a Canon 5DIII and a 24-70 instead of an 800 with the same.
The recent trend at Canon is really high priced glass(and now camera bodies too,) and I don't see any sign that this will be changing.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Newsflash on 5D mark III price: It's cheaper than the 5D II intro price

« on: March 02, 2012, 08:39:54 PM »

I keep seeing people posting about how they are dissatisfied with the 5D III price. I really have no idea where these posts are coming from. When you correct for inflation and exchange rate the 5D Mark II was introduced at $4200 in today's dollars. $3500 is noticeably cheaper than $4200 the last time I checked. So if the past is any indication the good news is 5D III intro price will be cut in half in the next few years. Hope that helps clear up the pricing issue.

Good post.  People are just mad that they can't afford this camera.  They only had 3k saved, and if they had 3500 they would pay it... but they don't.  Sucks for them.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 5D Mark III Full Spec List?

« on: March 01, 2012, 08:40:47 PM »

Specs are as are not bad, but they already seem like Canon could have delivered them a while back and the price increase of $800 is insanity if these specs are to the T.

This is exactly what I'm thinking. The 5DIII is my DREAM camera. But until I turn this hobby into a profession I just cannot justify paying more than 2500ish for a new camera. I can buy sooo many other things for 3500 dollars(I'm almost at an M9 by then.)
The specs just seem like what I've been wanting in the 5DII for all this time, not like some revolutionary new features that blow my mind and make me consider spending amounts i've never considered spending on anything other than a car.
I don't see the reason why after 3.5 years the technology hasn't improved enough to make similar specs to these in a 2000-2800 dollar body.

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EOS Bodies / Re: The (un)official I'm switching to Nikon thread

« on: March 01, 2012, 08:23:45 PM »

I am not a professional and have been wanting to upgrade from a 5DC to a 5DIII for a couple of years now. The 5DII never interested me too much because of the poor AF and it's specialization being weddings/portrait work(where I want a better camera for travel/all around.) I travel a lot and would like something semi quick, with great low light capabilities and not too expensive. 2000 dollars is a lot of money for me, but I finally decided i'd upgrade to the 5DIII if it was around 2500 dollars. Today, I am really disappointed as 3500 dollars is just wayyy too much to feel comfortable spending on a "hobby," especially when I've been wanting the 24-70 2.8 and the price has just nearly doubled. Unfortunately now, for my needs/wants, I think the D700 is the best choice for an upgrade. I can save some money on the body to put towards glass and I know the AF and low light is top notch.
Canon attracted a lot of buyers by having reasonably priced bodies and glass(compared to Nikon,) but that now seems to be changing. I just don't see how the 5DIII is worth 15% more than the D800. I don't care, and in fact, don't want 36mp, but to me, these cameras seem rather equal in different ways and i'm just not understanding the 500 dollar premium by Canon.
I know the 5DIII will be a huge seller and wildly popular, but from my perspective the 5DIII sounds like it fixed the shortcomings of the 5DII, and didn't wildly exceed the previous camera. I don't see why there should be a 700-1000 dollar price increase on this camera.
I think a lot of people who aren't pros will have to think really really hard before spending over 3000 dollars on a camera. I think Canon really missed the boat by not offering this camera at a price closer to the 2500 dollar range. While the extra money is not huge for people making money off this camera, I think that extra money on the price will prohibit a huge number of people from mindlessly clicking "buy" and upgrading(which I would have done at $2500)

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EOS Bodies / Re: What is the new 5d3 Groundbreaking Feature that will shake the industry?

« on: March 01, 2012, 10:29:34 AM »

Were I to go FF, I would get either the 5D mk II or the D800... this here one seems to offer not a whole lot extra...

Specs wise, the new 5D might not seem to offer a whole lot more extra than the 5DII, but should fix any supposed shortcomings of the II seemingly make this the perfect "all around" camera(where the 5DII) was more of a portrait/wedding camera.

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EOS Bodies / Re: How many of you actually have money to buy the new 5D Mark III?

« on: February 29, 2012, 09:44:05 PM »

WOW-YOU ARE A MASSIVE TWAT.

Thanks for saying what I suspect most of us were thinking.

thanks again. just because you have the money, doesn't mean you need to show it off. OP is a major A$$h**e.

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EOS Bodies / Re: *UPDATE* The Next 5D on March 2, 2012 [CR3]

« on: February 27, 2012, 04:54:33 AM »

the only invite i've seen for a Canon event in the next few days clearly headlined the "IXUS" lineup at the center of the invitation.
I'm starting to believe that is all we will see.
Why would they announce a 5DX/III with a headline of "IXUS"?

On other invitations for big DSLR releases, the nature of the invite was much more mysterious and dramatic.... why would an IXUS headline the invitation and the next 5D be an afterthought......
I really, really hope that i'm wrong or there is other invitations/events I don't know about.

Do you have a link or pciture of the invitation??thanks

+1 I want to see that invite too...

In fact, have been wondering if there will be a press launch in my area this Friday also but there's no one I can speak to.  Inquiries to local tech press people will definitely run straight into the brickwall.  Local photo forums are generally crap speak and I find those site useless.

Craig@CR rarely leaks media event information in open domain, unlike Peter@NR.  Why?

I have spent a while today searching for the image I saw and I cant find it anywhere. It definitely has been seen by people in other forums, I saw it randomly searching rumors websites i hardly ever visit late last night
people are talking about it in post 4057 and 4067 here
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?p=13968571&highlight=ixus#post13968571
it was on the front page of a totally random photo website, and seemed to be what CR guy was talking about. It said nothing but "speed" "quality" "IXUS" and some other non descript stuff. it wasn't very dramatic and was very colorful. I wasn't very excited when i saw it. I wish I could find it again, if someone has the link i'd appreciate it too as I'm going a little crazy right now trying to figure out where I saw it.

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EOS Bodies / Re: *UPDATE* The Next 5D on March 2, 2012 [CR3]

« on: February 27, 2012, 01:09:39 AM »

the only invite i've seen for a Canon event in the next few days clearly headlined the "IXUS" lineup at the center of the invitation.
I'm starting to believe that is all we will see.
Why would they announce a 5DX/III with a headline of "IXUS"?

On other invitations for big DSLR releases, the nature of the invite was much more mysterious and dramatic.... why would an IXUS headline the invitation and the next 5D be an afterthought......
I really, really hope that i'm wrong or there is other invitations/events I don't know about.