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EOS Bodies / Re: When will we have a full frame body below $1,000?
« on: November 25, 2012, 03:45:50 AM »
You're quite misinformed if you think sensors are that cheap. Think $1k for full frame and $100-200 for APS-C. Again, it's REALLY HARD to make huge chips with no imperfections. A single dust speck or mistimed/mismeasured fabrication step is much more expensive for a full frame process where only a few chips fit on a wafer than on APS-C, which fit many more. Every possible cost is squared and then some when building big chips.
FF sensors definitely are not 1000 dollars each....
If they were, the 6D would be 3000 dollars minimum, not overpriced at 2100.
I have read VERY conflicting articles on it, but at this point, I don't even think they are evn $500 each as seems to be the most quoted price online...
The last article I read made it seem like they more about $100 each to produce....
I haven't read an article yet that I fully trust in terms of the actual price of the sensor, but somehow, I know that they are not $1000.
If anyone has a link to an article that more clearly and absolutely gives the cost of manufacturing sensors i'd be quite interested to read it.

Software & Accessories / Re: would you guys buy it?
« on: November 24, 2012, 11:34:09 AM »
No, I wouldn't buy that, and I didn't.
Just thought i'd offer an alternative to BR, have you seen the Bos Strap? Mine is awesome and I feel more secure with the camera attached to a single neck strap loop than the tripod mount.

Checking out the link, I noticed the following statement under "product description" (re the Bos Strap) : "Helps reduce the stress and possible damage to your camera body tripod socket and internal seals when hanging the camera upside down from a tripod socket fitting." As I have a Black Rapid, which as everyone knows attaches via the tripod socket, I find this slightly alarming - does hanging a camera from a tripod socket fitting REALLY put undue stress on the tripod socket and internal seals to the point of damaging them, or is this just marketing hype?
If you read the reviews on BH, amazon, adorama, all of them have a few percent of people at least that claim their camera somehow fell and smashed to the ground. Made me a little nervous. I like the Bos Strap because there are no clips at all, and no screws to come undone. I have used both a 5DC and D700 on it and although I was nervous at first(mostly of the Nikon shoulder strap loop breaking) now I don't think twice. That screw on the BR strap seems a little shady to me, i feel like eventually it would just come unscrewed.

Software & Accessories / Re: would you guys buy it?
« on: November 24, 2012, 10:00:30 AM »
No, I wouldn't buy that, and I didn't.
Just thought i'd offer an alternative to BR, have you seen the Bos Strap? Mine is awesome and I feel more secure with the camera attached to a single neck strap loop than the tripod mount.

EOS Bodies / Re: Used 5D3
« on: November 23, 2012, 08:22:38 AM »
if you're going to buy used, why not buy a new one on ebay for 2500 bucks. not sure if the warranty is valid, but heck, that's gotta be cheaper than most used ones.... and no light leak!

EOS Bodies / Re: Why do you want a FF Mirrorless?
« on: November 23, 2012, 08:08:31 AM »
A FF mirrorless camera will never be a performance beast.  So why bother trying?  A great sensor and EVF, with "ok" AF, maybe 3fps and 1/4000 shutter speed in a tiny (eos-M sized?) body and a low $1,000 to $1,500 price and I'd be happy.
I think you're dreaming on the price... but for 2000 dollars i'd be in for sure.
If the RX1 had a removable lens, even if there was only one lens available for now(35mm 2.0 would be great)and was 3000 dollars($2000 body, and 1000 lens) I would have preordered. When I first saw the RX1 rumor that's what I thought it was and I was so happy. I'm just a little hesitant to spend 3k on a camera with only one single focal length. If I could buy a used RX1 for 2000 today, i'd be on it(and I might be in a year if no FF mirrorless has come out.)
I travel a lot, and currently live in China, so for me the FF mirrorless is all about high quality, and compact size. I'd love to trade in my D700 and 24-70 for an RX2 with a 24mm-50mm 2.8 zoom or something like that.

Lenses / Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS & EF 35 f/2 IS Sample Images
« on: November 19, 2012, 09:24:56 AM »
I'm not impressed with the 24-70 images at all..
The distortion looks bad…even at 70mm, the model's face looks really weird..
There is something kind of strange about her face...
however, those 35mm pictures look pretty nice. I'm not sure if i'd pay 900 for this lens, especially given it's an f2, but the pictures were nice.
Anyone know where those 35mm pictures were taken? I think I really just liked the location.

Software & Accessories / Re: Luma Cinch Strap
« on: November 19, 2012, 02:53:09 AM »
I checked out this strap very thoroughly, although i have never actually seen one in person. it looks pretty awesome. However, I chose the BosStrap instead.
Connection with a screw to the tripod mount seems a little dangerous to me. The BosStrap has a pretty unique design, and is extremely well made and comfortable, plus it's half the price....
check it out if you're interested. I've also read a lot of people say the metal pieces of Luma scratched their camera body.

Software & Accessories / Re: Do It Yourself Black Rapid type Strap
« on: November 18, 2012, 09:45:17 PM »
I went thru the same process of making my own strap. In the end I bought the Black Rapid screw for the Manfrotto quick release because it is a very critical failure point and hard to make with the tools I have.

I like this double connection point strategy.
are those BR lugs really locking? There seems to be a few bad reviews on all the sites talking about cameras crashing to the ground that scared me. I usually walk around for hours at a time with a 24-70, so it's often quite heavy.
Neuro, have you checked out the BosStrap? What do you mean when you say "neck strap - not a good way to carry a camera with a heavy lens, such as a big white zoom"
Would you rather have the camera upside down, for easier transition from hanging to shooting? or are you just saying the neck straps are a potential point of failure?
I really like how the BosStrap uses only one side of the neck strap attachment points, and when it hangs it is really comfortable with an easy transition to shooting.
I'd be interested to learn more about BR straps, but at the moment. However, I really like the choice I made, it's a lot cheaper, and ultimately, I think the neck strap connection point is safer than the tripod mount.

Software & Accessories / Re: Do It Yourself Black Rapid type Strap
« on: November 17, 2012, 06:38:35 PM »
i don't trust those screws in the tripod mount to hold my camera. a few twists and turns and your camera could easily fall to the ground. I would be constantly nervous my camera was coming unscrewed and about to crash.
I did a lot of research on these, and finally ended up buying the bos strap. It is a very similar design, except that it simply mounts to one of the neck strap lugs.
I've used it for a few months so far and it is very comfortable and sturdy.
I really wanted to buy a BR, but ultimately, it just didn't seem like the safest way to carry my camera.

EOS Bodies / Re: A Brief 2013 Canon Roadmap [CR1]
« on: November 14, 2012, 12:00:30 AM »
18-200mm is equivalent to 29-320mm on FF, and both Nikon and Canon offer 28-300mm full frame lenses.  My 28-300L does very well as a 'one lens solution'.
Neuro, problem is that the 28-300 is $3k.  The 18-200 and 270 can be had for $500-$600.  Big difference for a dad wanting to take decent pictures on vacation.  Also, I don't think I'd want to carry the L-series glass around my neck all day at Disney World.  I think on technicallity Roger is incorrect, but on intent he is spot on.

Nikon's 28-300 costs around $1k, while its 18-200 is $850 (new prices), so the gap in price is closing. I predict that the performance gulf between these two lenses will also be nullified whenever the next 28-300 comes out, considering how much of both Canon and Nikon's attention is going to developing new full frame lenses. I wouldn't be surprised if Canon developed a similar non-L lens considering the popularity of Nikon's 28-300.

I think the real discrepancy between full frame and crop is the prohibitive size and price of full-frame standard zooms. A third party 17-50 IS can be had for ~$600, and Canon's superb 17-55/2.8 IS is around $1k. The cheapest full-frame standard zoom with comparable performance is Tamron's $1300 24-70 VC, and I'm hesitant to spend that much on a third-party lens that has been shown to have build quality issues (Roger's report) and IQ inconsistencies (the-digital-picture's sample shots).

I'm considering the 24-120, but I've only been able to find mixed reviews; the consensus is that it's not as good as Canon's 24-105 while being more expensive. At $1300, it's the same price as Tamron's 24-70, which then makes me lust after Nikon's 24-70. Any such comparison makes me long for a reasonably priced standard zoom with fewer compromises than any currently available models. Ironically, I'd probably grab the upcoming 24-70/4 IS if I shot Canon considering the sharpness and light weight it promises. I had fun reading the chagrin on this forum the day it was announced while thinking that I'd love to have it here on the dark side  ;D
if you shoot Nikon, and you're lusting after the 24-70 F4 IS, and the $1500 price isn't too much of an issue, why don't you just buy a Nikon 24-70 for 1500ish used? the Nikon 24-70 2.8 is an amazing lens, and I would never trade mine for an F4 of anything, no matter how sharp it claims to be or how much IS it has.

Lenses / Re: Why The EF 200-400 f/4L IS 1.4x Delay?
« on: November 13, 2012, 10:12:41 AM »
I'm definitely not going to buy this lens, but it has been really interesting following it from the 5DIII spy shots in Africa(or wherever) to the Olympics. There is definitely quite a bit of mystery and speculation about it. I've been wondering why it hasn't been officially announced yet.

Reviews / Re: Review - Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II
« on: November 08, 2012, 12:23:12 AM »
Find a company that makes a better 24-70mm for $1700 and buy it. Canon are among the best few in the world at what they do and charge the price that suits them based on the market as it fluctuates and evolves. Blame the consumers because they are the ones who really set the prices (See 5D Mark iii).
I did. I traded my 5D Classic and 24-105 for a Nikon 24-70 2.8 and bought a used D700. I couldn't be happier with my decision.
Canon's pricing the past couple of years has been too high on everything.

Lenses / Re: 24-70 F/4L IS - Why I will Buy/Not Buy this lens.
« on: November 06, 2012, 07:13:04 PM »
The correct answer to this poll is too slow and too expensive.
$1500 for an f4 is outrageous and If this is the new pricing strategy for DSLR's, I'm going to take a good hard look at the RX1 or Leica.
I will buy this lens because my collection of L lenses will not be complete without it.
I hope this is a joke, Although this does seem like the best reason for one to buy this lens.
until the new 24-70/4L gets cheaper and until the 6D gets updated with a better AF, Canon won't have my money.

Your move, Canon  8).
"until the 6D gets updated"? IT'S NOT EVEN RELEASED YET!!!!
If I was you, i'd start looking at cameras like the 5DIII or D600/D700.

Pricewatch Deals / Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS & EF 35 f/2 IS Preorders
« on: November 06, 2012, 06:42:42 PM »
Do remember that Canon is not your only lens option. .... To me it's a no-brainer but then, I don't feel wedded to Canon lenses.

AdamJ, you make a good point.  Like I said, the competition - esp for lenses, is loving it.

With their recently announced strategy, Sigma is undergoing a sea-change from a price-driven proposition to a quality-driven proposition. I believe this is at least partly a response to the gap in the market that Canon's pricing is opening up. Sigma can develop premium products now because they know they can pitch them at the premium-but-not-inflated price level that Canon has vacated.

This is a very interesting observation Adam.  Canon is creating a price gap vacuum that will encourage a higher quality alternative to fill it at a previously acceptable price point (but probably still slightly less).  And if the alternative is good and receives rave reviews, it will succeed.  The fickle enthusiasts will flock in droves.  Hell, I might even be one of them.  If I can have a quality lens for half the price of the Canon L, I can afford to even replace it if I wear it out and still come out ahead.  Time will tell!!
Don't be shy about Sigma.... I have the 50mm 1.4 and the thing takes fabulous pictures. They are sharp, and the bokeh is super creamy! Additionally, it's built like a tank and has a very professional look and feel. I would highly recommend this lens, especially if you have a camera with AFMA(for obvious reasons.)

Pricewatch Deals / Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS & EF 35 f/2 IS Preorders
« on: November 06, 2012, 09:21:09 AM »
WTF 1500 bucks?!?

Me: "WTF?"

Canon: "...a maximum magnification of 0.7x – reducing the need for photographers to carry a dedicated macro lens.  So, what you short-sighted complainers fail to understand is that while you may think this lens seems expensive, if you add up the cost of the 24-105L and 100L Macro, this lens is significantly cheaper, and thus it's a real bargain!"

Me: "WTM-F'nF?!?"
Neuro, I have a lot of respect for you, but this lens is ridiculously overpriced. Maybe some people expect to pay $1500 for an f4 lens, but I think that's absurd.
The Canon 24-70 2.8 II should have been $1800 or less, and this F4 lens should be no more than $1200 starting price.
This Macro thing should be a perk for people paying 1000 dollars for a lens, not a reason to double the price of the current 24-105(which was on sale for $750 just a few weeks ago.) I don't believe this lens takes the place of the 100L.

You misunderstood Neuro's post. He was saying "WTM-F'nF" to Canon's supposed belief that the macro function makes this lens a bargain.
Ok, that would make more sense. And thus, we agree..... WTH!!!! $1500? $800 for a non L prime? What happened to the reasonably priced segment of lenses that were only $400(old mid level primes) to $900(24-105)? $900 is a lot of money!

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