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A friend of mine has the 6D. The battery drains overnight even with the power off. He sent it to Canon and they upgraded the firmware and then said that they could not reproduce the problem.

It worked properly for a couple of weeks, but now it's doing it again. He can't leave the battery in the camera without it draining in a day or two, even with the power switch shut off.

Has anyone else heard of this problem?

PS... too late to return it.

GPS on?

otherwise no.. never heard of that problem.

GPS and wireless is off. Even the main power switch is off, so it shouldn't matter what the GPS and wireless are doing.

Which lens do you have attached?  I've had my 6D since December and only saw this problem twice, recently after purchasing a Tamron 24-70 2.8 (power was switched off).  Both times I had the Tamron lens attached and found the battery completely drained in the morning.  I have never seen this with any other lens attached (Canon 24-105, 70  - 200)

Thanks for the tip! 
He does use the Tamron 24-70 2.8 IS. I asked him to try different lenses, as well as leaving it with no lens attached. He is away for another week or so, but I'll pass on your experience. The lens may well be the problem!

That's it. Tamron lenses released prior to newer Canon cameras (new Rebels and 6D) can cause this issue. If that lens is still in warranty your friend should ask for replacement. Tell him to insist on replacement. I made a mistake and didn't do it. Instead of replacement the service centre replaced just VC and reprogrammed the lens - it solved the issue with battery but made the lens worse. I finaly got a replacement this week due to another issue.

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It is all about expectations. For 5D users the 6D will be downgrade in many aspects because it was never designed to compete with 5D product line. If you own 5D2 the supposed upgrade is 5D3. For xxD and xxxD / Rebel users the 6D is a great upgrade (I'm among them). It also wasn't designed to compete with 7D product line in terms of AF.

Before I bought 6D I took its marketing materials from Canon and they were all about "travelers camera". My impression is that it is not camera designed for taking video or shoting sport/wildlife - you can still do that but there are better cameras for that. That should explain why its video capability and AF system are mediocore (even I would enjoy at least 9 cross AF points from T4i).

I like my 6D a lot. It was great upgrade from T4i (650D). What I didn't like was a price. I found it quite expensive for enthusiast camera but bought it anyway. My biggest complain goes to DOF preview button which is too small and it is placed on completely idiotic position. Also custom setting doesn't allow me reconfigure buttons to have DOF preview elsewhere.

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Do not overestimate Tamron's weather sealing. My recent experience tells that both sealing against dust and humidity are close to none.

Would you care to elaborate? I have shot with the Tamron in pretty extreme conditions (from -40C to 40C) and in snow, rain, freezing rain, etc... without any kind of issue.  I am interested to hear why you would make such a statement.

I used my Tamron for taking pictures of recent floods in Central Europe. It was quite bad weather (small to medium raining almost all the time). Even with umbrella my lens wasn't entirely protected but it wasn't exposed directly to the rain. It took just few minutes before the distance window on the lens get misted but otherwise the lens performed quite well. The problem appeared when I put my lens back to the bag and took it out later in the office. One of inner elements was completely misted as well. It took about two hours before the mist disappeared. The temperature difference between outside and office was 10C to 15C so I would not consider it as really high.

I took the lens to the service center and complained about the issue. They informed me that it is normal and it is called physics because any lens which extends during zooming must pull air inside and with air comes humidity. It was not considered as valid claim for warranty replacement / fix.

I have also find dust particle directly in the center behind the front element. Again it was considered as normal even I really argued about that with 5 month old lens which claims to be sealed.

I left the lens in service center anyway because AF motor started squeaking recently. My case may be special because this is the third time my lens went to service center for warranty repair and they at least once opened the lens (so I believe they are directly responsible at least for the dust).

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Do not overestimate Tamron's weather sealing. My recent experience tells that both sealing against dust and humidity are close to none.

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Just rent 200 f/2 if you need it for any special event. It is pretty big investment if you don't need the lens regularly.

I would like to have 70-200L f/2.8 II and 24-70L f/2.8 II but don't want to invest so much in the near future. My next lens will be 100L f/2.8. It will give me new options for macro and some portraits.

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Reviews / Re: The Digital Picture Reviews the Tamron 24-70
« on: May 20, 2013, 05:03:11 AM »
I have this lens. My experience is full of contradictions.

I purchased this lens in February based on reviews when I owned only 650D with kit lens 18-135 IS STM (Rebel T4i). I wanted a standard zoom to slowly prepare for purchase of 6D. Initial experience was excellent. Better image quality, better colors, better DOF ... Two weeks after the purchase I noticed that my battery in the camera gets discharging even when the camera was turned off. I found that this was a common issue of the first generation when used with newer Canon bodies (650D and 6D). I took the lens back to retailer and I made a serious mistake. I let them to repair the lens because I wanted to keep it instead of requiring money back. Retailer first didn't want to believe that such problem is even possible but I referenced several reports from Internet. It took 4 weeks to get my lens back. It was "repaired" in local service center. Repair report scared me - VC was replaced and CPU reprogrammed but the issue disappeared.

I used the lens with my 650D quite happily since that. Some of my images had a really bad focus but I thought it was my mistake (I started with photography in November 2012). Two weeks ago I bought 6D. While it make my 70-300L even much better lens than it was with 650D it also made Tamron completely useless with aperture less than 5.6 or 8 (depending on distance). My Tamron has a terrible back focus on the longer end. When I made a test myself it had 10-12 cm back focus when shoting from 1.5m distance wide open. FoCal was not able to fix this issue. It predicted that necessary AFMA setting would be at least -36.

I don't understand how could I not notice this on 650D. Somehow I believe that it is not pure back focus issue because in such case all of my photos taken with 650D wide open would have to be out of focus but only some of them really are. It looks like a serious AF inconsistency. I took the lens to service center on Monday. I skipped the retailer to make this quicker. When I saw the service center (the only one authorized for warranty Tamron repairs in my country) it just made my frustration bigger. Somehow I don't trust them and I really don't believe that they are able to make any serious repairs of such complicated thing correctly (understand reliably in the long term). I will see. I'm also very curious if they can fix the problem in claimed "3 days" promoted in the whole Europe.

While I still believe that this can be a wonderful lens my copy is definitely not that one and I don't believe that just fixes in local service center will change that. I live in a small country where only few Tamron lenses are sold and the support is equivalent to the size of the market. It also means that available lenses are probably all from the first bad series. I know another owner who uses this lens on 5DII and he also complains problems with inconsistent focus.

My another problem is with VC. I'm not able to get what is claimed in tech specs. 3 stops? No way. My real world experience is 1/30s shutter speed on 70mm to get a sharp image. When I go with 1/20s it will be blurred when 1:1 zoomed. That is more like 1.3 stop but I have similar problem with all my lenses so it can be just in my technique.

My opinion about Tamron is so far: You get what you have paid for. You can get a great lens for a great value if you are ready to suffer initial fight to get a good copy but you must live in the big market handled directly by Tamron because otherwise you can have a hard time to get replacement easily (my case). It is lottery. I personally don't like to be QA/QC, especially if I pay for that.

Canon's MkII costs 105% more in my country and it lacks IS. It is a big price difference but if it saves you from this madness it probably worth the money. I would never admit it before but my problems and big satisfaction with 70-300L (even used!) changed my mind.

We have a proverb: "I'm not so rich to buy a cheap product". More and more I think if this wasn't the case?  I'm deciding to go a hard way and try to use warranty to get my money back because my lens doesn't meet specs. If I get money back, sell 650D and its kit lens, I will need just few hundred bucks more to get Canon's MkII. I will miss VC a lot but it is just only 1.3 stop at the moment. On the other hand I wanted to use money from 650D and kit lens to acquire 100L.

I will see how my lens performs once it is returned from the warranty repair. Somehow the issue described by Roger from LensRentals would make my decision (and warranty claim for money back) much simpler.

Just to continue my experience ...

I got the lens back on Thursday (hey really made it within 3 day). I used FoCal on Friday to check AF calibration. It didn't need any AFMA change on wide end but it needed -13 on telephoto end! That a big disappointment. I gave both lens and camera body to service center and they returned me a "calibrated" lens which still needs -13 AFMA which I must do myself. At least this time the required value was within available range. This change increased quality of focus on "calibrated" lens (according to FoCal units) by 100%. My problem copy is not as sharp as Dustin's copy but it is now satisfying for my needs.

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Reviews / Re: The Digital Picture Reviews the Tamron 24-70
« on: May 15, 2013, 06:19:37 AM »
I have this lens. My experience is full of contradictions.

I purchased this lens in February based on reviews when I owned only 650D with kit lens 18-135 IS STM (Rebel T4i). I wanted a standard zoom to slowly prepare for purchase of 6D. Initial experience was excellent. Better image quality, better colors, better DOF ... Two weeks after the purchase I noticed that my battery in the camera gets discharging even when the camera was turned off. I found that this was a common issue of the first generation when used with newer Canon bodies (650D and 6D). I took the lens back to retailer and I made a serious mistake. I let them to repair the lens because I wanted to keep it instead of requiring money back. Retailer first didn't want to believe that such problem is even possible but I referenced several reports from Internet. It took 4 weeks to get my lens back. It was "repaired" in local service center. Repair report scared me - VC was replaced and CPU reprogrammed but the issue disappeared.

I used the lens with my 650D quite happily since that. Some of my images had a really bad focus but I thought it was my mistake (I started with photography in November 2012). Two weeks ago I bought 6D. While it make my 70-300L even much better lens than it was with 650D it also made Tamron completely useless with aperture less than 5.6 or 8 (depending on distance). My Tamron has a terrible back focus on the longer end. When I made a test myself it had 10-12 cm back focus when shoting from 1.5m distance wide open. FoCal was not able to fix this issue. It predicted that necessary AFMA setting would be at least -36.

I don't understand how could I not notice this on 650D. Somehow I believe that it is not pure back focus issue because in such case all of my photos taken with 650D wide open would have to be out of focus but only some of them really are. It looks like a serious AF inconsistency. I took the lens to service center on Monday. I skipped the retailer to make this quicker. When I saw the service center (the only one authorized for warranty Tamron repairs in my country) it just made my frustration bigger. Somehow I don't trust them and I really don't believe that they are able to make any serious repairs of such complicated thing correctly (understand reliably in the long term). I will see. I'm also very curious if they can fix the problem in claimed "3 days" promoted in the whole Europe.

While I still believe that this can be a wonderful lens my copy is definitely not that one and I don't believe that just fixes in local service center will change that. I live in a small country where only few Tamron lenses are sold and the support is equivalent to the size of the market. It also means that available lenses are probably all from the first bad series. I know another owner who uses this lens on 5DII and he also complains problems with inconsistent focus.

My another problem is with VC. I'm not able to get what is claimed in tech specs. 3 stops? No way. My real world experience is 1/30s shutter speed on 70mm to get a sharp image. When I go with 1/20s it will be blurred when 1:1 zoomed. That is more like 1.3 stop but I have similar problem with all my lenses so it can be just in my technique.

My opinion about Tamron is so far: You get what you have paid for. You can get a great lens for a great value if you are ready to suffer initial fight to get a good copy but you must live in the big market handled directly by Tamron because otherwise you can have a hard time to get replacement easily (my case). It is lottery. I personally don't like to be QA/QC, especially if I pay for that.

Canon's MkII costs 105% more in my country and it lacks IS. It is a big price difference but if it saves you from this madness it probably worth the money. I would never admit it before but my problems and big satisfaction with 70-300L (even used!) changed my mind.

We have a proverb: "I'm not so rich to buy a cheap product". More and more I think if this wasn't the case?  I'm deciding to go a hard way and try to use warranty to get my money back because my lens doesn't meet specs. If I get money back, sell 650D and its kit lens, I will need just few hundred bucks more to get Canon's MkII. I will miss VC a lot but it is just only 1.3 stop at the moment. On the other hand I wanted to use money from 650D and kit lens to acquire 100L.

I will see how my lens performs once it is returned from the warranty repair. Somehow the issue described by Roger from LensRentals would make my decision (and warranty claim for money back) much simpler.

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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 6D Review - Real World
« on: May 15, 2013, 05:28:38 AM »
More and more users keep reporting how much they enjoy and are satisfied by the 6D.

It just goes to show how an excellent camera cannot be seen beyond its specs by the spec sheet nazis who wanted to leave Canon as soon as it was announced.


+1

I seem to remember that when the 70-300L was announced there were howls of derision, but have now turned into grunts of respect.

I have both 6D and 70-300L and I use them together. Both are excellent performers. I didn't regret those purchases any single second.

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Lenses / Re: Andy Rouse Reviews the EF 200-400 f/4L IS 1.4x
« on: May 14, 2013, 09:20:14 AM »
Nice review with awesome pictures.

This must be a great lens unfortunately with great price tag. Even thinking about either 1DX or new 200-400 would probably make me single ...

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If you can wait few months Canon will hopefully replace 60D this year. I replaced 650D with 6D recently. I didn't want to wait anymore for new "70D" and 60D wasn't good enough for another investment. 650D is good camera but its plastic built and small view finder were among first things I wanted to replace.

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Software & Accessories / Re: Adobe to Stop Making Packaged Software
« on: May 13, 2013, 04:35:33 AM »
I hate cloud software. I have a PC only for the internet and not willing to go online with a pc with all my images on the harddisc.

Looks like you don't understand a difference between cloud software / storage and just subscription with cloud server to validate your software license. You don't have to put any of your PSDs to cloud. You even don't have to be always online to use CC products. You just need to download the product, install it and occasionally get connected to internet to get updates and validate license.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Do you trust your camera?
« on: May 11, 2013, 04:47:34 PM »
I don't trust my skills yet, I don't trust IS too much, I don't trust camera's LCD but I trust camera itself.

Most of my bad shots are caused either by too long exposures which I'm not able to hand hold (somehow I'm not able to get more than one and half stop from IS on both my lenses and I had similar experience with 18-135 STM on 650D) or too long exposure for moving objects. These issues are followed by bad focus or bad DOF.

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Software & Accessories / Re: Adobe to Stop Making Packaged Software
« on: May 11, 2013, 02:28:33 PM »

People don't like changes and subscription model is a big change in the way how we get SW. It will become more common in the future and people will accept it eventually.

I sincerely hope not.

By having a consumer revolt, and not just letting this 'go' as many seem to want to do.....we might just let the corporations know this is not a path the consumer wants to be forced down.

Believe it or not, the one thing even large companies listen to is....the loud voice of the consumer pocketbook opening or closing.

If enough people unite against this....the voice will be heard.

A recent example, is the latest release of the game Sim City, which required an always 'on' internet connection to play what is essentially at its heart, a single player game.

Sales of that game were WAY below what was projected. People simply refused to be forced down that road on that game. Possibly EA will listen next time? If this type thing happens enough, well, they DO want to make $$ off you and that's the bottom line.

If you simple take it as a given and roll over, then sure...Adobe and other will go down this path.

Vote with your wallet, it is plain and simple.

C

You chose probably the worst example. EA is the symbol of companies not looking at customers feedback. Just go through their releases in past few years. A lot of them were disappointments with pretty negative feedback - Orgin included. The sales problem of Sim City was not in the "always online" but in the quality of the game. Gamers already showed many times that "always on" is not actually a problem (even you can read about it all over the internet).  We can put another example - Diablo III which shows that even with such "a big problem" like always on the game can have a huge commercial success.

As a side note I own about two hundreds games for PC (physical media and Steam) and XBox360. I really wish I could get them through some sort of subscription instead. It would save me a lot of $$$. End of off-topic ...

Subscription model is already visible in business environment where whole products are offered as a service and it slowly creeps into customer environment with different subscription based services or even products - for example Office 365. There are also subscription based products where you own the product at the end of the subscription but then you generally pay almost the whole product (or upgrade) every release cycle so its more like software assurance then a real subscription. So far I see subscription as more affordable way to get an expensive software even if it means paying more in the long term.

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Software & Accessories / Re: Adobe to Stop Making Packaged Software
« on: May 11, 2013, 07:28:03 AM »
^Ok, Lets simplify.

Would you rather pay adobe 600$ and keep the software or not? The prices are about the same.

If I have the money, need the sw and have the option to own it, I would pay the whole sum and keep the sw. Who doesn't? But in any other case renting doesn't seem so bad as people are trying to pretend here.

Who doesn't? Adobe doesn't want you to own those retail CD's. It's less money in their pockets because you, the consumer, will decide if the next upgrade is worth buying. You own the copies, you have the power to decide if and when you will invest more into adobe.

In turn, Adobe has to provide good solid updates to each version to get your cash. It's incentive for them to try harder. A subscription model will dull that edge and adobe will have less incentive to do so.

I think a Subscription model alongside side a perpetual license is a good thing. People will little cash can subscribe and heavy users can get the retail copies they need. If enough users petition adobe (which I have), I believe they'll let both co-exist.

Yes Adobe made a change but no matter what we think it is their full right.

The petition is in my opinion useless. You will not go to announce this to take it back few months later. You can be pretty sure that they expected this wave of resistance. This is not type of public announcement any company would do without 100% confidence that they will succeed - especially if they don't have any market competition which would force them to perform such radical change.

You can hope for more interesting pricing in case of long term subscription, for some promotion sale or moving some pro features to Lightroom or PSE (even if it would mean increasing their price tags) but there is IMHO no hope for return of CS product line.

If you want a retail product you should start looking for competition and buy their product now to support its further development. That is actually the only way how you can show Adobe your opposition - not spending money for subscription is not enough. You must support the competition and hope that they will get close to quality of Adobe products before your CS products will be completely unsupported (stop working for any reason). But at the end of the day most people will not do this and pay subscription anyway because it is more convenient = Adobe will win.

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Software & Accessories / Re: Adobe to Stop Making Packaged Software
« on: May 10, 2013, 08:01:00 PM »
^Ok, Lets simplify.

Would you rather pay adobe 600$ and keep the software or not? The prices are about the same.

If I have the money, need the sw and have the choice to own it, I would pay the whole sum and keep the sw. Who doesn't? But in any other case renting doesn't seem so bad as people are trying to pretend here.

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