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EOS Bodies / Re: 1DX Worth the Money?
« on: August 15, 2012, 05:36:53 PM »
Well, interesting conversations. My whole point to this when I asked "is it worth the money", not meaning should I go spend 7 grand on a camera, but meaning are the features the 1dx offers worth the $7,000 price tag. And from what people have posted, it seems like if your using a professional level camera, it's amazing. For my needs of what I'm wanting a camera to do, the 1dx might be a tad over kill when a mark4 would work just fine, but I use the 5d3 for landscape nature portraits, anything that the more pixels the better. And I use the 60D for mainly just macro and or will attach a 70-200 or the 500 being its not full frame. But shooting wildlife and sports, the 5d3 just isn't as fast as I wish it could be fps wise. The auto focus is snappy and will lock on, and 6fps isn't to shabby, but just isn't fast enough to capture small birds in flight or more of a moment happening in some sport. I do make a little money selling wildlife prints and things to do with sporting stuff, but I figured id be getting a used mark4 unless there's some place that has it new, but new is $5,000, and used range from 3-4,500. So I figure I'd be using the camera a lot I'd want something it be worth the price and last. Which the 1dx will do. Lol but this thread turned into something different so I guess I should've phrased my question better instead of being so vague.

Yeah, things went off course a tad ::)

I think a used 1d4 will be a great value for money. I loved that camera, the only problem with it as far as I'm concerned, was the lower light tracking abillities. And that was because I had high expectations coming from a huge let down with an early 1d3 and the 1d4, new, was very expensive too.

But it had everything you expect from a 1d and is a real joy to use! And a better placement and feel of the ISO button than the 1d X ;)

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EOS Bodies / Re: 1DX Worth the Money?
« on: August 15, 2012, 04:32:41 PM »
Who says I don't have lights? That has nothing to do with it. It's not splurging, it's not my job. I invest in memories and do this for my own sake. Stop judging something you know nothing about...

And yeah, in a studio situation , I agree, you shouldn't get a 1d X, the 5d2 will du a killer job. But I don't spend more than an hour a year in studio invironment. I like to take my lights out, and shoot things that move.

I agree that clients would never see the difference, but I know what I can and can't get with those two cameras. In fact I do think there is no comparison between the 1d4 and the 1d X.

I have a very specific wish and personal demand for a camera, and the 1d X is the first camera that really feels like a giant leap there.

People tell me, oh, that's a nice picture, well you should see the 10 moments I didn't catch... that's how I think...

Stop judging on what know nothing about?  Are you serious?  I do this stuff for a living... I think i've got a good grasp of the photography industry.  I dont know about your personal taste and spending habit, and frankly between you, neuro and briansquib, i'd love to have your disposable income... unfortunately i've got 2 kids to feed and keep a sucessful business afloat amidst dozens of wanna be photographers crawling all over craigslist offering photography for a song and a dance, and other nation wide photo companies that have the overhead to offer print prices at ridiculously low rates... Money, in the photography business, is vital...  To me the 5d3 purchase was a big purchase, probably the most i spent on any one piece of equipment I've gotten to date, period...  Is the 1dx a better camera, yes, but can it deliver photos I cannot get with the 5d3?  hell no.  Would I make 1 more dime if i got the 1dx over the 5d3?  nope, but I tell ya what, I would be out of business and a hobbyist, just like you.  Stop being so freaking defensive.

Yes, I'm in the business of capturing memories, but unlike you, i'm paid to capture sometimes strangers memories whom i know nothing about.  I dont have the luxury of rapid firing while a bride walks down the isle hoping i get 1 in focus...  If i went that approach I wouldn't have card space to get past the ceremony.  Everyshot is calculated, composed, and done just the way I want it.  Do I get missed shots?  Before the 5d3, constantly... but I'd regroup and make sure I nail the next.  Just shot a wedding recently... Ceremony natural light with ISO's bouncing in the 20,000 range... didn't miss a shot...  The rest was flash and my keeper rate was in the 60-70%, with a lot of the non-keepers being duplicates...  please dont talk down to me like an idiot, I know what I'm talking about... you got a 1dx, good for you... but from my experience, if you cannot get a shot with a lesser camera and you need that top of the line camera to pull it off, it may say more about the photographer and not so much about the camera.   

Yes I am serious!

You wanna hear my story? I just moved 6 hours from where I have lived all my life. I have a 3yr old boy and a 9 month old daughter, we bought a house, we don't have jobs. Guess what, that doesn't have ANYTHING to do with this. My income? That doesn't matter. I am a dedicated saver by nature. I bought a t-shirt in 2006, my newest piece of clothing. I eat water. That's how I can afford what I want. Including the 1d X. None of this matter at all.

You might know about photography business, which I never claimed nor am a part of.

"if you cannot get a shot with a lesser camera and you need that top of the line camera to pull it off, it may say more about the photographer and not so much about the camera"

Then why are you using a 5d3 and not a Canonet QL17?

And please tell this to the sports photogs who shot in the Olympics and others that depend on great gear to perform what they want and/or need.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 1DX Worth the Money?
« on: August 15, 2012, 04:26:24 PM »
Things the 5d couldn't catch at f1,2. Try catching the eyeball of a running person up close with the 50 L, and have the right moment, under any circumstance.

Basketball with a 70-200 at 2,8 is different. I don't why people need so bad for me to not need a 1d, I try to offer my advice and thoughts since I've had both and the 5d since April. I am not the only one who likes and wants the 1d over the 5d and feeling it is absolutely worth it. Is it worth it to you?

Everybody wants you to have a 1DX and enjoy it.  What they don't want is to come up for justification of it using shortcomings of the 5D3 which don't really exist.  I'm glad you enjoy your 1DX and are getting great shots from it.  But you don't need to justify it to anyone but you.  You don't have to list shortcomings of the 5D3 to justify the 1DX.  I use each for a specific purpose.  When I do baby pictures or weddings, I'm banking on the 5D3 because I can use the extra 4 mp with they way I crop.  And yes I can notice 22 vs 18.  For sports, however, I leave the 5D3 at home and shoot with the 1DX, because it's way better.  Enjoy it for what you need to do/want to do.  It is nice to hear your perspective since you got rid of the 5D3 for a 1DX.  I kept both for different reasons.

The OP asked about if it's worth the money, and yes it is. And for me to just say yes, would prompt someone to ask, why, what's better?

And that's what I did.

But fair enough. We have different needs and style. I also shoot a lot of kids, and I don't need to crop there, I would crop for sports, so there's one difference. And nothing wrong with either.

This is why Canon make the 1100d and the 600d (and the 650d was just to show you how black rubber can turn white, apparently ::) and the 5d's and the 1d's. We all now the same thing here. There's good reason why they make all of them. Different needs and wants.

And we can argue until we are blue in the face of which one is better. I have friends who use the first 5d, because it has better edge sharpness than enay other camera on the planet. I'm not getting into that, I'll just take it for what is, and argument for or against something and make up my own mind.

*shakehands* bdunbar79

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EOS Bodies / Re: 1DX Worth the Money?
« on: August 15, 2012, 03:29:18 PM »
Things the 5d couldn't catch at f1,2. Try catching the eyeball of a running person up close with the 50 L, and have the right moment, under any circumstance.

Basketball with a 70-200 at 2,8 is different. I don't why people need so bad for me to not need a 1d, I try to offer my advice and thoughts since I've had both and the 5d since April. I am not the only one who likes and wants the 1d over the 5d and feeling it is absolutely worth it. Is it worth it to you?

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EOS Bodies / Re: 1DX Worth the Money?
« on: August 15, 2012, 03:07:13 PM »
Who says I don't have lights? That has nothing to do with it. It's not splurging, it's not my job. I invest in memories and do this for my own sake. Stop judging something you know nothing about...

And yeah, in a studio situation , I agree, you shouldn't get a 1d X, the 5d2 will du a killer job. But I don't spend more than an hour a year in studio invironment. I like to take my lights out, and shoot things that move.

I agree that clients would never see the difference, but I know what I can and can't get with those two cameras. In fact I do think there is no comparison between the 1d4 and the 1d X.

I have a very specific wish and personal demand for a camera, and the 1d X is the first camera that really feels like a giant leap there.

People tell me, oh, that's a nice picture, well you should see the 10 moments I didn't catch... that's how I think...

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EOS Bodies / Re: 1DX Worth the Money?
« on: August 15, 2012, 02:17:31 PM »
Here's three images shot at 51200, 102400 and 204800, quick and dirty.

They're just imported into to Lr and Color noise reduction set to 20, nothing else done. I adjusted the light so the exposure would read the same. It was nearly complete darkness at 204800, yet with the side af-point, non crosstype, expanded with 4 hit focus in One Shot. The images are uncropped full size jpegs.






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EOS Bodies / Re: 1DX Worth the Money?
« on: August 15, 2012, 01:47:36 PM »
I have both the 1DX and 5D3.  The files from the 1DX are NOT way sharper than the 5D3 and the high ISO noise from both cameras at 25600 are unusable.  So easy to spend someone else's money.  The only reason I bought the 1DX is because yes, it is superior to the 1D4.  But I get paid to shoot sports.  If I didn't get paid to shoot sports, the 5D3/1D4 combo would be MORE than enough for me.

Why would I say something I don't see? It makes no sense. I'm just saying what the differences are, because a lot of people say, meh, it's no difference. Well, that is wrong. And why would it cost twice the money if 4 less mp and a bigger body was all that was between them??

To your defense, I haven't used any other raw-converter than Lightroom 4, and process the 5d3 files in Lr and it is STILL as we talked about when the 5d3 was new, the images aren't as sharp as the 5d2.

If it is the files from the 1d X or if it is MUCH better support in Lr, I don't know, but I have shot 20.000 images with the 5d3 with Reikan calibrated lenses and I haven't gotten one image sharp as I did from the 5d2 or the 1d4. The 1d X is way different, I can apply much less sharpening to get them truly sharp, and overdoing it a tad makes them pop like crazy.

I don't care if people say they are very simmilar. Trying to shoot my kids with the 5d3 was incredibley much easier than with the 1d4, but with the 1d X EVERY shot is perfectly exposed and focused, and I always have the right moment in a burst.

And the perfectly exposed images results in much less rescuing in post which also leads to less noise.

I do agree that you have to be very careful with the 25600 iso, but compare 6400 iso and the 1d is HIGHLY useable and they clean up very nicley, whilst the 5d3 is gritty and ugly. The new lightmetering in the 1d X had a lot more to say than I first thought, as I said, no need to rescue an image, it just sticks.

If that matters to YOU, I have no idea and I don't care, but if it is someone out there who wonders if the 5d3 is the best there is and like me, want to buy the best even if they don't earn that in within 4 months (or at all), the answer is very clear....

If you don't have the money to spend on a 1d X, fine, not all people have it or even remotley close too wanting to spend it. But if you do, don't settle for the 5d3 when you can have an EPIC smilemachine in the 1d X.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 1DX Worth the Money?
« on: August 15, 2012, 11:16:44 AM »
The difference between the 1d X and 5d 3 is much bigger than people realize from reading about them. The AF and the 12 fps gets you so many fantsatic images you couldn't have gotten without it. The exposure is so dead on it's ridicolous!! I hardly adjust anything in Lr.

The tracking is awesomely superior. To me it's at least a stop better noise-wise, and the image can be pushed more without adding the crazy noise. The lower iso's are the cleanest I have seen, and also better than the 5d3.

Swap it vertically and have the exact same layout of buttons and the same grip is not to be underestimated.

And all of the small but very important custom functions like limiting your shutterspeed range in Av mode etc makes it way worth it to me.

The 5d3 isn't the same with AF and tracking, it isn't the same IQ wise as the 1d X has much less noise and have WAY sharper files.

It is quite obvious. Things have to be like that. Otherwise you'd be wrong to spend such an awful lot of money on a PJ workhorse. I am glad for every pro who is equipped with excellent gear via the 1DX. As an amateur who hardly commercialzes his photography but who appreciates some better high ISO and IQ, I will go 5D3 within the next months from my current 30D which I am shooting since five years. It always delivered decent results even at ISO 3200 b/w, exposed to the right. So Robert Frank high ISO shots, here I come ;-) I don't worry about decent noise nor blown highlights by pushing it to the limit since I've seen his photography. Sometimes even slight motion blur adds to a b/w photograph.
@Viggo: Did you take any pictures at "insane ISOs" as high as 102 and/or 204 k...? Would be intresting if you had some shots to share. Keep the good work up! Cheers, Peter

Just for the record, I am too just a hobbyist, and I don't think I have earned even a thousand dollars in 12 years of digital photo, lol.

I can take a few for you later tonight, but I have to say, I don't see the need for me to go beyond 25600, both because it's noisy and because with fast lenses, it almost doesn't exist a situation where I need to. Maybe for depth in video...

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I think that I can't assign ISO to any of the to M.fn buttons is crazy.

I think they could have done a lot more serious options to these buttons.

And also they could have had the set button to one function in play and another in rec-mode. For example I use the SET to magnify, but I could seriously have used it for ISO, because the new ISO button is too far to the right, and too small.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 1DX Worth the Money?
« on: August 15, 2012, 07:43:27 AM »
The difference between the 1d X and 5d 3 is much bigger than people realize from reading about them. The AF and the 12 fps gets you so many fantsatic images you couldn't have gotten without it. The exposure is so dead on it's ridicolous!! I hardly adjust anything in Lr.

The tracking is awesomely superior. To me it's at least a stop better noise-wise, and the image can be pushed more without adding the crazy noise. The lower iso's are the cleanest I have seen, and also better than the 5d3.

Swap it vertically and have the exact same layout of buttons and the same grip is not to be underestimated.

And all of the small but very important custom functions like limiting your shutterspeed range in Av mode etc makes it way worth it to me.

The 5d3 isn't the same with AF and tracking, it isn't the same IQ wise as the 1d X has much less noise and have WAY sharper files.

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I didn't get mine fixed and the guy who bought it never asked or commented it either. And I never thought about it. The 1d X exposes sooo accurate compared, but I have no way of saying it would have been less of a gap if the 5d3 had been fixed or not.

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Lenses / Re: If you can have ONLY 3 lenses, what would they...???
« on: August 14, 2012, 02:53:58 PM »
24 f1,4 L II
35 f1,4 L (II)
50 f1,2 L

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EOS Bodies / Re: 7d - max ISO issues
« on: August 14, 2012, 07:07:56 AM »
Forget Auto-ISO und the other auto-functions. Dial in the wanted ISO, the wanted aperture and the wanted shutter speed.

That gives the best results.

I disagree. When I take pictures of my son indoors, I set my camera to Av, limit my shutterspeed to never go below 1/1000s and set auto iso to 100-3200. If he gets some bright lights on him I get cleaner images, and I get properly exposed images when he is hit by a shadow, and always freezing his motion. Any other mode and I would either get too long speed, to much or little dof or blown images in bright light in manual mode if iso 100 on 1/1000s is too bright.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 1D X custom WB question
« on: August 14, 2012, 06:44:15 AM »
I haven't found how to delete it no, maybe you need to wipe the custom settings?

Here's an idea for you Canon:

Make the WB button on the 1d X access the "Sample and register WB" directly. Or even better, have it register WB directly when you push the WB button, that would not be too much to ask and save 50 pushes of a button.

As for the AF registered point, I'm not really sure what you mean, When I choose one pont, push the shutter half way and push the multicontroller it jumps between the registered and the center point, but it never blinks and show if I haven't selected it..

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EOS Bodies / Re: 1DX - issues in low light at reception
« on: August 14, 2012, 05:14:06 AM »
You must have set the 1d X up wrong, because even if you have a magic 7d and 1d3, the X is still way better. But to use that supersmall spot af will be a poor choice for lowlight and without expansion points the iTR tracking doesn't work. I find the 1d X to be without question the best camera on every level ever produced. I shoot in 12800 f1,4 light with 1/80s and the exposure and af works  fantastic!

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