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EOS Bodies / Re: Preview of iso 204,800 on 1dx and d4

« on: February 12, 2012, 02:34:48 PM »

Those two videos is yet another fine example showing just how much easier Canon are to use, just look at how he pushes button like a madman, moving from one side to another on the D4.

And for those who haven't tried, have a go with that Nikon joystick, it's loose and ultra non-responsive. Buttons placed all wrong, for example, the ISO-button is on the top left, try holding a 300mm f2,8 and changing the ISO, yes, I know you can configure another button for it, but that's not the point. The point is that they placed it where they saw best. Which they have done with the rest of the camera also. And when changing the darn function-wheel, it must be unlocked first, which is awkward at best, and holding down buttons while scrolling the tiny wheels. useless!! With the buttons to change mode's on the 1d's, there is no need to lock them.

The small top wheel and buttons at the index finger on the 1-series combined with the big wheel and set-button on the back with the perfectly constructed joystick is a breaze to use for all functions, and you don't have to change the position of your hands once. To change mode while on a large lens, use your thumb up. Maan, I'm glad I am a Canon-guy, lol!

Add VERY long and complicated menus, an also color-coded , which is fantastic for us that are color-blind.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Does FF make your photos pop?

« on: February 12, 2012, 11:13:43 AM »

I guess there are people here who feel that their photographic talents are being constrained by anything other than a full-frame camera and they are trying to justify the cost of upgrading to a full-frame. Well, why do you need justification from others? It's really a simple matter: if you have the budget, then you should go ahead and get one.

Don't talk rot about FF having more "pop" than APS-C. There are umpteen number of photos (and photogs) out there shooting APS-C professionally and their photos have equal amount of pop as anyone else shooting FF.

Don't believe me? Here are some samples from Flickr (these aren't mine, but they illustrate the point - and they were shot with a Rebel T2i):

http://www.flickr.com/photos/robbyryke/6846645823/#
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ilovelotsofpizza/4675165898/#

And if these still do not have enough pop and don't jump out of the screen/print, then maybe ya'll should consider this camera: http://www.shopfujifilm.com/detail/FUJ+16082969

I guess it has something to do with what you shoot also. From my perspective, I shoot a lot of my images at larger than f2,0 apertures, and that gives the FF cameras a huge advantage, but other styles may not be THAT much different, for example at f11 snapshots with useless light

But these two examples, to me at least, prove the difference I see with my own images. It's too snapshotty.

This is my personal taste, and I'm not here to dog the aps-c, but for ME, the images will always be better no matter what you shoot with a fullframe. And extremely often, isn't very difficult to see what image shot with what, although there can be a garabage picture with a FF and a fantastic, optimal with an aps-c camera that won't tell the whole story. But there is a reason Canon released the FF cameras, and we will see more of them.

The x-factor or magic of the FF camera isn't that at all. It's much smoother gradients between light and dark, less depth which really show off the smoother better bokeh of those lenses used, it's better dynamic range and less noise.

My last comment for this thread, I just had to argue with that it's "no difference, it's all light and skill and framing" it isn't.....

it's the same as saying it's better to buy a polarizer than a better lens, no it isn't, because they also sell polarizer for the more expensive lens. It's the same as saying, learn how to sharpen and shoot raw and you don't need the more expensive lens, but you can also sharpen the images from the more expensive lens , so the better gear will always keep their advantage....

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Does FF make your photos pop?

« on: February 12, 2012, 09:46:23 AM »

I fully agree, now you can expect some rants from others for saying what you're saying, but it doesn't change the fact that you are right indeed.

Light is extremely important, but even with the same light, same lens same everything, one shot on a 450d at 100 iso and the 5d2 shot 100 iso, the 5d WILL look much more pleasing and it makes color-gradients, depth of color, punch of color, dynamic range, light to dark gradients, bokeh, everything is better.

Bokeh is the quality of the background blur. It depends on the lens and the way a lens "draws". The amount of background blur is controlled by Depth of Field (DOF) and this is driven by subject distance, sensor size and lens aperture. You can get the same bokeh (amount and quality) with APS-C and FF if you use the same lens. The only thing different will be subject distance and framing that will account for the size difference between the two formats.

All theory and what might not be, doesn't change the fact that my 24 LII, 50 L and 85 LII looks fantastically much better on the 5d than they did on my mk4. Muchmuch cleaner iso's below 800 also helps the 5d over the 7d and the mk4, and as the iso get's cleaner the dynamic range is also better. Simply saying the dof is the same with different framing doesn't make sense. It's the whole package of the fullframe 5d2 over the mk4 and the 7d/60d/550d that is the key here. And the fact it being full frame and improves every aspect of the image is waay different from depth of field alone. And all those things combined gives you at much better image overall.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Does FF make your photos pop?

« on: February 12, 2012, 09:07:18 AM »

Thanks for the info!
There are so many steps I can improve on - especially PP.

I take photos mostly while traveling.
When I am back home I am too busy with work to do PP.
So, I've just shot in jpg but I want to change that.

Regarding the "poping"  I don't think it is so much about aperture and DOF.
In the portrait galary there is a great pic by JR:
5D mkII, 70-200mm f2.8L IS II, taken at 200mm, f4.5, ISO 320


The sharp face contour gives the image a great three-dimensionality.
It is almost like looking through a window.

To the last comments:
I don't claim that I mastered APS-C and now need a FF to push the technical boundaries.
I have just noticed that some photos have a great three-dimensional impression and they were all taken by 5Ds.
The reason is not clear to me. It might be PP that most 5D owners use.
Many of the pictures I admire don't look like they took hours of waiting for the right light and it is also not about the largest aperture.
You also don't need a complex composition, as you can see in the picture above.

I think I understand what you are getting at, it sounds stupid but after changing to FF I prefer my photos, though I certainly did not improve my photographing skills from one day to the other, and my D90 and X100 certainly were/are great cameras, but there just is something to these FF pictures, the tonality of the x100 plus the DOF control plus some L-magic. I get way more compliments now than before just shooting the same... Everybody says it's more important to take courses and read books on getting a better photographer, which is absolutely true, but if you have the funds for FF and other goodies it makes your photos better in an instant and you still can go on improving your skills...

I fully agree, now you can expect some rants from others for saying what you're saying, but it doesn't change the fact that you are right indeed.

Light is extremely important, but even with the same light, same lens same everything, one shot on a 450d at 100 iso and the 5d2 shot 100 iso, the 5d WILL look much more pleasing and it makes color-gradients, depth of color, punch of color, dynamic range, light to dark gradients, bokeh, everything is better.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Does FF make your photos pop?

« on: February 12, 2012, 08:49:51 AM »

If you use 1,2's and 1,4 lenses on FF It can't be beat, it just makes the images look SO much better. I wil never consider a crop cam again, ever.... This image is shot a full stop down on the 50 L , and what sets the L's apart is the quality of the bokeh when stopping down, it stays supersmooth...



Cereals with Mickey on the box, oh, happiness

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Lenses / Re: 85mm f1.2 II or 70-200mm f2.8L IS II

« on: February 12, 2012, 07:24:47 AM »

I own them both, and for sports or action, the 70-200 is epic greatness. But for those images of the kids and you want not to document, but creat, the 85 is WAY better.

I had 70-200, sold to get the 85, sold the 85 to get the new 70-200, missed it too much, and sacrificed the 14 L II for the new 70-200 to have both. Different area of use, and one doesn in no way replace the other.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Preview of iso 204,800 on 1dx and d4

« on: February 12, 2012, 06:54:04 AM »

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Perhaps the refernce mark should be the 1D4 at 12800 because that is the body they are updates for. 5DII is left trailing at 6400 never mind 12800
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I agree with that, while the 5d is much cleaner at 100-400 at least, the mk4 waaaaay better from 1600 an up... Much better looking noise as well...

From what I can judge with my time with the 1d X, coming from a mk4 ISO's is like third on my list of what I am most excited about, it's the sheer epic response and lightning fast AND precise AF in the darkest conditions and the tracking, whic is on another planet, I am most excited about for an upgrade... I can't wait...

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EOS Bodies / Re: Preview of iso 204,800 on 1dx and d4

« on: February 12, 2012, 06:48:54 AM »

Not very hard to tell that the highest settin is lightyears ahead of the mk4 at it's highest setting, which also is a stop slower.

Another thing that comes to mind here is just how bendy the files are...

I have few ideas as to what I'm going to use one of my 1,2's at 51k for... Mmm.

So COME ON CANON! LET ME BUY ONE ALREADY!! Tired of waiting.....

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 7D on it's way out?

« on: February 11, 2012, 02:45:26 AM »

Why would you need more than 12 fps? Then you need highspeed video instead.

And the other problem which is much bigger is, how the heck to you AF between 20 fps? TO make a motor that flips the mirror for 20 fps isn't a problem.

This also a cost issue, who would pay 9000 usd for a aps-c with 20 fps?

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EOS Bodies / Re: What's wrong with the microadjustment?!

« on: February 10, 2012, 05:51:37 AM »

1m (where my LensCal is)

I micro adjust all my lenses at MFD

This is really not a good idea, unless you'll always be shooting at the MFD.  Canon recommends setting the AFMA at 50x the focal length, LensAlign at 25x the focal length (e.g., 5m/16' or 2.5m/8', respectively, for a 100mm lens).  The reason for that is if you calibrate at the MFD, the optimal adjustment is usually not applicable across the broader focal range, whereas calibrating from a greater distance gives a result that's more applicable across the range of subject distances. The only lenses where you might want to be calibrating at such short distances are UWA lenses.

Viggo, I see the phenomenon you're describing, with the LensAlign at 25x focal length, but it's less pronounced. I generally find that as I step through the images, when approaching the best adjustment, the shots with focus starting from infinity will be off, then at the best adjustment they’ll all be spot on, then as I move away the shots with focus starting from the MFD will be off (or vice versa).

Did another test with the other 5d, and it's the same crap there... Jesus Christ... 4500 usd camera and lens-kit, and it can't focus from more than one distance, fantastic Canon, just fantastic.

At least this explains why I have every other shot tack sharp and the other either non-usable or "keep because it's a good picture, although it isn't sharp"

So that's what 21 megapixels does, shows you all the  F A I L  in autofocus and lenses. And this isn't nitpicking, it's one good and one oof image. I'll try to post an example....

*EDIT*

Here's the example, and keep in mind, this is very close, about 1,2 meters, shooting near infinity and this misfocusing are tens of meters.....

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EOS Bodies / Re: What's wrong with the microadjustment?!

« on: February 09, 2012, 06:47:37 PM »

http://FocusTestChart.com

i use this chart

you can only calibrate each lens at 1 focal length (i thin the 1Dx you can do 2)
so always calibrate for where you will potentially have the shallowest depth of field

ie longest zoom and MFD

then to test infinity shoot distant targets after calibration to check

I have three lenses I struggle very much with , 24 L II, 50 L and the 85 L II.

I just now adjusted the 50 L to -7 and it seems to be sharp at the "0" mark of my LensCal, but I take it off the tripod and shoot at something with a bit more distance (10 meters) and everything is COMPLETELY off. I just kept shooting near and farther (only 10 meters inside as it is dark outside) and ended up at +3, so what's the point of these tools. With the two other cameras it worked perfectly. SO now, at +3, it's only almost right and sharp from mfd to 10 meters, will try outside tomorrow, hopefully find something I can use. Can't understand why this camera is so difficult, when the two others were soo easy, it's the same lenses.

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EOS Bodies / Re: What's wrong with the microadjustment?!

« on: February 09, 2012, 05:48:34 PM »

how are you doing micro adjust at infinity? i cant see being able to get a clear enough picture at this range

I micro adjust all my lenses at MFD 45 degrees to a calibration sheet and the zooms I calibrate at the longest focal length different camera bodys end up with differeent settings but they all work fine. perhaps examine your calibration method.

I turn the focusing ring to infinity, then push the shutter to lock focus at 1 meter, where my LensCal is, I use this one:

http://www.theapplepress.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/TAP_SpyderLensCal_Square_IMG_8695.jpg

Is there a back-up clock battery in the 5d at all? *Never mind, found it*

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EOS Bodies / Re: What's wrong with the microadjustment?!

« on: February 09, 2012, 05:43:16 PM »

Thanks guys, but really, this isn't  problem on the other 5d nor was it a problem with the mkIV. I can't use my 24, 50 or 85 on this camera, I can't keep remembering to focus on infinity and then to the subject, it might work, but if that's the way it must be done I'm throwing it from a roof-top.

I use the SpyderLensCal, and it moves a whole, full, step, which is crazy....

It really does not sound right.  The difference should be small, if any.  If a full camera reset doesn't fix it, something is wrong.  There are some internal tables in the camera with lens information that can get scrambled, I've fixed my 1D MK III with a reset, but never had a issue with my 5D MK II.

I wouldn't sell it to anyone without fixing it first, you already know how much pain it has caused you.

Thanks, I'll try a complete reset, I think the guy had done that before I got it, but.

One thing is that the 5d that works have the 2.08 firmware, the "new" one has the 2.11. Is there a way to "downdate" the firmware? I think I've tried before, but can never find the older file.

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EOS Bodies / Re: What's wrong with the microadjustment?!

« on: February 09, 2012, 05:41:02 PM »

when in doubt, send the camera into canon under warranty and have them double check it.

No warranty anymore I'm afraid.

What worries me is that usually I can get it somewhat useable with the LensCal, but once I get out in daylight and some distances, it's way off again. I have pushed the MA to the middle so the difference between mfd and up and infinity and down are minimal, so if they work with greater distance in daylight tomorrow, I can at least be able to use it.

Good thing this is just a temporary camera.....

ohhhhhhh bought it used?  Do you have CPS?  Is there any condition/situation where you can get consistent results or is it across the board off?  If need be, you may have to bite the bullet with canons repair, or see if you can resell it for more than you bought it for?  =)

It gives the same exact results from mfd to 1m (where my LensCal is) every single time. It does the same thing from infnity, only those two aren't at the same spot.

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EOS Bodies / Re: What's wrong with the microadjustment?!

« on: February 09, 2012, 04:50:56 PM »

when in doubt, send the camera into canon under warranty and have them double check it.

No warranty anymore I'm afraid.

What worries me is that usually I can get it somewhat useable with the LensCal, but once I get out in daylight and some distances, it's way off again. I have pushed the MA to the middle so the difference between mfd and up and infinity and down are minimal, so if they work with greater distance in daylight tomorrow, I can at least be able to use it.

Good thing this is just a temporary camera.....

Does the problem get less apparent if I adjust focus from not at the actual mfd or infnity but somewhere closer to where I have my subject placed? Maybe it's because I've started to pull the ring to each extreme when shooting the test? This isn't how I normally operate the focus, it's "always" somewhere in between....