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EOS Bodies / Re: Will the 70d have a new sensor?

« on: April 03, 2013, 08:36:15 AM »

Crops sensors make cameras affordble, they are not intended to compete with a full frame, its just a cheaper option. If canon actually put a 1.6 crop sensor from the 1DX everyone would be moaning about lack of resolution and ability to print large.
If you want a better sensor pay the money and buy a better one, stop whining why a more affordable camera is not as good as a top end one.

lol.. boy that is really not the question.

this is a forum about gear.. if you don´t want to talk about gear you are wrong here!!

Just be nice please.

What Eimajm said is basically true. APS-C is cheaper than FF, and will always be so; but the IQ of APS-C will also be worse that the one of FF sensor (at the same time). these are just facts. If you wan't top quality, then go for FF or medium (medium will always beat FF).
I think, that unless you are a pro, you don't need a FF camera. Which does not mean that you can not buy one if you like; just be aware that you actually could achive the same result in 99% of the cases with a cheaper camera.
For me personaly the question is more, what is the best choice at the moment, and wich is the best moment. I think that right now it is the wrong time to buy a Canon APS-C camera, because Canon needs to make a bigger step then in the recent years. On the other hand, it is a good time to buy a little dated camera for a low price (especially the 60D); the problem is, that it will be very old pretty soon.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Will the 70d have a new sensor?

« on: April 03, 2013, 08:22:47 AM »

Whats wrong with the current sensor, I'm very happy it in the 7D. If you want a better sensor buy a full frame camera with appropriate longer lenses. There are thousands or talented photographers making superb images with the current sensors, if your not doing this then a better sensor won't help you.

There is nothing wrong with the current sensor, it is just getting old. I use a 350D, and I can make nice pictures with it. The IQ is okay as long as I stay under ISO400. But after 7 years with it, I like to buy a new camera. The problem is, that I did not wait 7 years to buy a 3 1/2 year old sensor. This sensor is just not state of the art anymore. If I could start from scratch, I would probably go for a D7100 at the moment. It is just the better package right now.
You might be right, that the 7D (60D) sensor is not bad in absolute terms, but compared to a D7100 / D5100 it is just not up to date. You are also right that my images will not improve with a better sensor, but it will allow me to take pictures which I'm not able to take now, because the IQ of a 350D at ISO 1600 is really bad, the 60D/7D are already an improvement, but a state of the art sensor like in the D7100 would be even better.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Will the 70d have a new sensor?

« on: April 02, 2013, 04:18:12 AM »

I'm still wondering what sensor will be in the 70D, and when it will come out. It is 2 1/2 years since the 60D came out, so the time would be okay. But who knows how Canons product-pipeline really looks like.
For the sensor, they are squeezing the last bit out of their 18MP APS-C sensor. It stayed basically the same since it came out in the 7D; this could mean that Canon needed its sensor development recources in other areas (a completly new APS-C sensor in 180nm technology). But the old sensor was "newly designed" for the SL1 with a new AF-System on it; this sensor is rumored to be used in the 70D, what would be a big dissapointment (except the sensor was improved in other ways, which I doubt).
To me it makes absolutly no sense to use this sensor in the new 70D; the IQ is just not up to date (look at the D5200 and D7100), why should Canon debut the redesigned sensor in the entry level SL1, and not the advanced amateur 70D? Why does it take them so long to introduce the 70D, when they use an "old" sensor?. As I said, it does not make sense to use the classic 18MP sensor in the 70D, but who knows what Canon is doing, and if they have some kind of problems with their new sensor, or if they are just taking their time to do it right.

I hope we will find out soon, otherwise I will got for the 7D L....

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EOS Bodies / Re: Future of APS-C Given 6D Pricing

« on: March 27, 2013, 08:35:02 AM »

My crystal-ball tells me, that the 7DII will have a similar price tag as the 6D had at the beginning (2000-2300$), the 70D will come out somewhat below of what the 6D is at that time (1300-1500$). Both will be APS-C and maybe even share the sensor; the 7DII will have a much better AF-system and higher frame rate.

For me, there is another question. Will the new APS-C sensors be good enough for most of us? It is similar to what we see in the computer market. There are always faster processors in high end machines, but the speed of slower processors is already good enough for most people. So instead to buy the fastes machine, the opt for smaller machines and tablets who do what they need, while using less space and costing less.

Just go over to DXO-mark and compare a alpha 99 to a D5200 or a D7100. Why should you buy the Sony? it's only marginaly better. Even if you compare a 5DII with the new Nikon APS-C cameras, it is not a clear picture. The new APS-C senosr are damn good, and if Canon manages to make an even better one than Nikon has, then I don't see the reason to go FF. Especially since it is not only the camera that costs a little more, its just everything that gets more expensive (24-70 f2.8 of f4 lenses for 2000$/1400$, more expensive filters, a heavier and more expensive tripod do manage the aditional load)

I think if we are honest, the new APS-C sensors are (will be) good enough for 98% of the people, no matter if there are 1500$ FF bodies or not.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS Rebel T5i Leaks

« on: March 20, 2013, 08:00:08 AM »

I think the sensor will be the same as in the 650D, with some minor improvements. ISO 25'600 could be doable in JPEG with the DIGIC5 processor. And I think this sensor is good enough for the target group. People who buy a rebel (xxxD), are either new to photography, or not really serious about it (the same goes for Nikon 3xxx and 5xxx). These people do not care much about AF-Systems, DR and RAW; so there is no reason to shine with such features. These people like a camera that takes pictures, and one that they think they can handle; not too many buttons, good UI, compact size and a good price. Give them a 7D, and they will be overwhelmed by the amount of buttons, and they will get feeling that the salesperson is speaking in chinese when he explains them the camera.

For these people the old 18MP sensor is good enough, so are 11 AF points.

It also makes sense for Canon to use the old sensor in these cameras. They need to ramp up the production of their new 180nm sensor first, and they won't do that in a high volume model like the rebel. So they can still use their old equipment, which is cheaper then the new ones, and produce very decent sensor there vor the high volume market.
They will most likely introduce the new sensor generation in the 70D and the 7DII. And I will be looking forward to their test on DXOMark. I hope that Canon will catch up with Sony and Nikon, but there is also a chance they will fall a bit short, but also that they will overtake them and stay ahead for some time. We will see.

I hope I will have my 70D before the summer ends.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS Rebel T5i Leaks

« on: March 20, 2013, 05:39:08 AM »

Also, based on the above arguments, practically all Nikon cameras trash their Canon equivalents in terms of sensor performance, AF points and/or pixel count: the D800 vs 5D3, D600 vs 6D, D7100 vs 7D, D5200 vs T5i, D3200 vs EOS-b. Woe to us Canon users. So, why are we still shooting Canon?

This is maybe because a good photographer with a mediocre camera makes better pictures, than a mediocre photographer with a good camera...

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Canon General / Re: Should I upgrade to FF or invest in lenses instead?

« on: March 12, 2013, 11:24:09 AM »

I'm in the same situation as you are. FF is definitly great, and now, with 6D it is even kind of affordable. The Image-quality of a FF will always be better than the one an APS-C sensor (sensor-size rules). But the new Nikon D5100 (and the D7100) have an IQ that comes pretty close to a 5D Mark II, and is better than a new Sony alpha 99.
The question is, what is good enough for you. I'm looking forward to the 70D, it's IQ should improve quite a lot from what we are use to in Canon APS-C (which is not bad in real world situations). Then there is the focal length issue. If you work more on the wide side of focal range spectrum, then FF is better for your bokeh, if you are working on the narrow end, than APS-C helps you to get more reach at a better price (just compare a 135mm f2 and a 200mm f2).

I'm still torn between going FF and staying at APS-C; at the moment I lean towards APS-C. Hopefully I will know more in about a week, if the 70D gets announced then.

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Lenses / Re: your goto everyday lens and why?

« on: March 04, 2013, 03:13:06 AM »

Canon 35mm f2 on a EOS 350D

It is small, light, fast and makes great pictures. It's close to a fifty on a FF, so the field of view is suitable for many things.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Will the 70d have a new sensor?

« on: March 01, 2013, 02:24:20 AM »

I think the March announcement indeed is the 70D. I also think it will be the first camera with Canons new 180 nm process at around 24 mp and single Digic 5 for modest FPS. Wifi and GPS is a given, especially if it is 60D build. I think it will get a variant of 6D AF also for good low light photos and video.

I think 7D2 will also have a new sensor with same 180 nm process, but stay at 18 mp to be the FPS/Hi-ISO monster we all want. Basically a crop 1DX.

The reason for this is for Canon to put out the new sensor in a lower prestige body to get feedback for final spec of 7D2 before they announce it. It also gives the 7D2 a longer time as "latest and greatest crop body", as if the higher mp XXD is release after, it would pull down 7D2 prices. But if released before, the 7D2 lower mp can be marketed as "better", and as a consequence, will not be as sensitive for the next XXD upgrade, as that will certainly have even higher mp count.

Funny, we posted some of the same idea almost the same minute.

I complety agree with what you said, and I'm really looking forward to the new APS-C sensors; I wonder how they will perform.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Will the 70d have a new sensor?

« on: March 01, 2013, 02:21:28 AM »

I think Canon will introduce a new APS-C sensor starting with the 70D. It will be the first DSLR sensor from Canon made in a 180nm process (they are still using a 500nm process at the moment; Sony is already using a 180nm process). This process is probably one of the main reasons why Canon lags behind Sony and Nikon.

The old 18MP sensor is just to old now. Canon will not get away with putting this sensor, which is almost 4 years old, in a new camera for advanced amateurs. It lags behind just too much.

Another hint is, that all rumors point towards a 24MP sensor (this goes for the 70D as well as for the 7DII and the next EOS M body). That would mean it is a new sensor.

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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 70d speclist

« on: February 26, 2013, 02:25:10 AM »

As said before, there is no speclist, just rumors.

Launchdate is rumored to be march, that means it should be announced soon. I also think than Canon likes to offer something against the Nikon D7100 pretty soon (they always come in pairs; 1Dx-4D, D800-5DIII, D600-6D, D7000-7DI)

Here is my guess for the specs: 24MP, AF-System with a much smaller count than Nikons D7100 (maybe 19 or even lower), single SD-Card slot, the same screen as the 60D, and WiFi seems to be likely too.

But specs is only one part of the story; since Canon needs to step up on the sensor side. This will be the big question; how much will they be able to catch up to Nikon/Sony.

Hope to see the real list soon.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Nikon 7100 has been anounced

« on: February 22, 2013, 07:41:08 AM »

I'm really looking forward to the 70D now. I'm waiting for long enough now to replace my 350D (yes, it is still running). The D7100 set the bar pretty high; especially with that starting price. There is not much to complain about in this camera, just a few points.
-I miss integrated WiFi
-I can live with one SD-slot
-I can live with fewer AF-Points, IF they are more sensitive.

This is what I like to see from the 70D
-WiFi integrated
-AF point(s) with high sensitivity (like the -3EV on the 6D)
-Completly new sensor with DXOmark measurments close to the Sony sensors (I do not say DXORating, I just like to compare the measurments)
-And a price that is close to the one of the Nikon.

I fear the price will be higher; Nikons offer is amazing, and Canon more expensive anyway (hopefully the 6D D600 is an example, since they cost about the same)
The AF-System will be interesting to see, it could be an 11 point system, this is no dealbreaker for me. But I'm most interested in the sensor Canon will put into this camera. It needs to be something new; the 18MP they use now is just to old. I wonder how close they will get to the Sony/Nikon benchmark. Here a big improvement is needed, and this is a dealbreaker for me. If they can't catch up, then I will have to spend some more money then I would actually like to, and go FF with a 6D. This is still cheaper for me than switching to an APS-C Nikon.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Nikon 7100 has been anounced

« on: February 22, 2013, 02:28:58 AM »

Looks nice. Now it is time for Canon to announce their 70D. I hope it will have similar specs to the D7100.

-Sensor in the 22MP range (a completly new sensor family please, not a warmed up 18 from the vintage 7D)
-100% viewfinder
-AF System with either more points than the 60D, or at least the -3EV one from the 6D in the middle
-GPS and WiFi (with priority to WiFi)
-Not bigger and not heavier than the current 60D
-I don't care about the dual card slot

I'm looking forward to the announcement

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Spec List [CR2]

« on: February 19, 2013, 11:01:20 AM »

I'm espacially looking forward to the sensor. 24MP most likely means that it will Canons first DSLR sensor from the 0.18um process (down from 50um). This would mean a bigger step in sensor evolution for Canon. It will be interesting to see how they compare to Sony and to Canon FF.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Spec List [CR2]

« on: February 19, 2013, 10:49:08 AM »

it looks like what the 6d should have been but with a ff sensor.  so annoying.

will this be better than the 6d?

What you mean is the 5D3.

This is what I thought will happen. The 7DII is a high end APS-C camera for the action shooter. The 6D is the semipro camera for the landscape and portrait shooter. The cameras are priced in the same range, so it is up to the user to deceide what he want's. High FPS and sophisticated AF (7DII), or superior Image quality (6D)