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Technical Support / Re: Best Possible IQ
« on: December 11, 2013, 11:52:58 AM »
I may go ahead with 5d3 on this one, but I have made a promise to myself that I am going to test out the medium formats personally in the near future and judge for myself.

For the life of me I cant figure out why so many of you are saying there will not be an IQ difference on a coffee table book if shot on a 35mm 23mp camera vs a larger 60mp sensor....

Must get to the bottom of this!

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Technical Support / Re: Best Possible IQ
« on: December 11, 2013, 10:57:05 AM »
:)

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Technical Support / Re: Best Possible IQ
« on: December 11, 2013, 09:59:59 AM »
Well, I have to admit, reading more of the comments and seeing the location has changed my view a bit.

1) If you've never used a medium format digital system, this is probably not the best time to test drive it. Even accomplished photographers will have some measure of learning when changing formats. Not saying it can't be done, I just wouldn't dive into it blind. If you have a week or so ahead of the shoot, extending the rental would be hugely beneficial for practice. (I'm assuming you're already a competent and accomplished photographer.) I'd also get input from the rental company's representative as to the best system and lens for this particular shoot.

2) As mentioned in prior posts, I'm a medium format guy, but if I'm in your position, I wouldn't use it for this. It's just not needed, and I have my doubts that your client will notice the difference. Remember: IQ doesn't necessarily follow image size. 60-80MP are awesome to have, but most images in coffee table books weren't shot using that kind of gear.

3) As for the scene, I think you'll have trouble isolating or removing all the people. That's a tricky move that will require careful planning and a number of exposures. Also, I think shift movements are important given the proximity to the buildings, but that is based on the look you'd like to achieve.

Recommendation: 5D3 + TS-E 24 II (with or without movements, it's a brilliant lens)

I think I am going to forget large/medium format. :(

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Technical Support / Re: Best Possible IQ
« on: December 11, 2013, 09:50:36 AM »
Recommendation: 5D3 + TS-E 24 II (with or without movements, it's a brilliant lens)

Seconded.  Just like with MF, if you've not used a TS-E lens before, getting it a day or two before you need to use it is important for practice (especially if you'll be using tilt for more DoF at wider apertures, although it doesn't look like that would be needd based on your example shot, and shift is easier to use).  Same for a pano head (you'll want time to find the 'nodal point' of the lens you'll be using, too).

Looks like the example image that was attached was shot with a Fujji X100 - that means a FF-equivalent FoV of ~35mm.  Depending on the needed aspect ratio, you could shoot 2-3 shots in portrait orientation (need a L-bracket) with a TS-E 24L II, using shift to correct the keystoning.  That would give you plenty of resolution in the stitched image, excellent IQ, etc.

I have had the 24 ts with me for a while and love shooting with it although I am not up to speed with tilt/shift concepts to the fullest.

BUT what I want to know is how on earth did you know it was shot from Fuji x100? :)

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Technical Support / Re: Best Possible IQ
« on: December 11, 2013, 12:40:02 AM »
You want "the best", or "the best within budget"?
For backs, there's the IQ180, but there's also the new IQ280. The main advantage of the 280 over the 180 is that the 280 doesn't crap out on long exposures, get one of them for 1min+.
Going the Hasselblad route, there's the H4D200MS, it's a 50MP sensor that shifts itself by 1/2 a pixel in between 4 shots and stitches them internally to a 200MP image.
Or there's the Leica S2 and Pentax 645D. Both are 'only' 40MP, but for anything less than A2 size you can just as easily use a 35mm 20MP sensor.

Bodies, there's the Mamiya / Phase One 645DF, or any Mamiya 645 with a D in its name (ie all but the 645AF). If you're tripod-mounted you probably won't need any of the functions that come with the newer bodies.
Or there's the Alpa 12FPS, a camera designed to have higher IQ by having less shutter-induced shake (less than even a leaf shutter).
Hasselblad, Leica, and Pentax you're stuck with the bodies that you get.

Lenses, the Leica S2 has Leica quality glass. 'nuff said.
Hasselblad, you're getting their name-brand stuff too (used to be made by Zeiss, now by Fuji, either way, it's damn nice).
Phasemiya, there's the 28mm LS which is very sharp but possibly too wide for you, the 'new digital' 35mm I haven't tried but I definitly wasn't impressed by my 'C' copy of the old version.
Alpa, you can use their extremely nice (with pricetags to match) LF 'alpagon' lenses (rebadged Rodenstock Apo Sironar HR). Or you can get it with any mount you like, even EF.
And on all of those bodies you can use lenses with a longer flange via adapter, like Hassy V, Pentacon 6, Bronica, Rollei 6000, Pentax 67, etc etc...


Or realistically, a 6D with a 24mm TSE or 35mm Sigma/Zeiss is going to be more than enough for a simple book that doesn't cost $5 per page to print at stupid resolutions...

ps, a 25-35mm lens on 'FF' (24x36mm) equates to a 38-55mm on '645' (56x37mm once it's cropped, I'll presume you're cropping more panoramic than 3x2).
But don't forget digital 645 sensors aren't as big as 645 film, depending on the sensor you get you may have to get a wider lens to account for a smaller sensor...

Phew! Thx.

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Technical Support / Re: Best Possible IQ
« on: December 11, 2013, 12:37:35 AM »
Thank you all for the valuable insights. I have learnt a lot. Still bit confused, but clarity is coming in.

Am attaching a photo of roughly where I will be. Not exactly here but similar situation.

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Technical Support / Re: Best Possible IQ
« on: December 11, 2013, 12:35:12 AM »
Let me see if I've got this right...It's a coffee table book and the client is doing all the PP work.
Stitch the tripod mounted images using what you have, insuring spot-on camera settings, and move on.
You don't need to make a huge production out of it...when he finishes, you probably won't even recognize it anyway.

Yes, I will not recognize it I am sure. There is complete transparency here. He will clone out people, add sky etc.

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Technical Support / Re: Best Possible IQ
« on: December 11, 2013, 12:33:56 AM »
...Stitching will not work as I need to hold the camera steady and then take multiple photos of the same shot every two minutes so the client can delete people that are moving around in the frame and create an empty shot of the place.

For what it is worth, Martin Evening has a tutorial in his "Adobe Photoshop Ultimate Workhsop" book (at least he did in the CS4 version) on using multiple images to remove tourists from the "bean" in Chicago. You might check with your client to see if this is the sort of thing they are contemplating. (He actually shot about 100+ images over an hour and stacked them in Photoshop to remove the people)

Thank you, will check. This is exactly what needs to be done. The question now is, should I shoot this on format better than my 5d3 or not? Would not a larger format help in cleaner post? :)

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Lenses / Re: Canon EF 35 f/1.4L II to Finally Arrive? [CR1]
« on: December 11, 2013, 12:07:23 AM »
still CR1? ... this thing better make good coffee, deliver pizza, and give good B... I better not say that

Bokah?

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My choice is FE2 with 23 f1.4. Better high ISO. Great for when I go out to dinners. And I can detach the lens and put camera in one pocket and lens and other.

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Technical Support / Re: Best Possible IQ
« on: December 10, 2013, 08:16:48 AM »
A friend of mine have the latest 80MP Phase One. He made some shots in the Pyrenees this fall, which I saw in high quality 1mx1.5m prints. Incredible dynamics, resolution, color, the lot.

I'll second this. Phase One and Leaf make huge sensor medium format digital backs. I'd say it's probably worth renting that kind of system for the shoot if your budget allows. Truth is, for a magazine spread you don't need 80MP, or anywhere near it, but it will yield the most headroom for post work.

Thank you both. So I will look up Phase on and Leaf. Are these complete cameras? I do not know what 'back means'. And yes headroom in post work is what is required for this job. I am allowed to rent whatever I want, so why not the best? The rental will be perhaps not so much compared to other expenses: Flights, hotels, etc.
Thx.

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Technical Support / Re: Best Possible IQ
« on: December 10, 2013, 08:13:18 AM »
...for the photo I need to take stitch is not possible for the type of work the client requires.

Why?  Are there going to be moving elements in the scene?

There you go Neuro. God you are smart!

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Technical Support / Re: Best Possible IQ
« on: December 10, 2013, 08:12:38 AM »
Thank you Sporgon, but for the photo I need to take stitch is not possible for the type of work the client requires.

And I think I need medium format and not large format. Am I right about this?

Once you have completed the stitch you are left with a single image file like any other, just much larger, effectively shot on a larger format. It can then be edited in the same fashion as any other file; there's no difference.

If you really wanted digital large format we could help you out with that. We are the UK agents for one of the best known large format cameras. But there's no way you need that for what you've been asked to do, so that leaves you with medium format, but again, personally I don't think you need it.

Dearest Sporgon. Stitching will not work as I need to hold the camera steady and then take multiple photos of the same shot every two minutes so the client can delete people that are moving around in the frame and create an empty shot of the place.

And I will not buy, I will rent it all for 4 odd days. Try the shot every day and pick the one with best morning light.

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... and as a mere foreigner I'd like to add that at first I found it to be a bit creepy for some retailer PR agents to scan the forums and pick up critical threads, but after looking at a couple of them I have to say you U.S. boys should be lucky to have such online shops over there, in Germany if something doesn't work out you're out of options very quickly.


PLEASE don't call me PR!!!

My post was developed in 2007 as a direct response to the increasing desire by customers to use a variety of Social Media platforms to communicate with retailers -  and each other.

I act as an Independent Advocate on behalf of Adorama customers, representing Adorama's presence on social network sites (eg Twitter, Facebook, Google + and Linked In), shopping sites and newsgroups; Photography Blogs and Forums - across the globe

With a diverse background in Law, Journalism and Mental Health, and experience as an Expert Witness in the fields of Workplace Stress and Bullying, I aim to provide a rapid response for customers seeking advice and / or support in relation to their purchases - investigating and resolving complaints and concerns that customers have been unable to address through regular customer service channels.


Any customer with an enquiry, query or complaint regarding an order - or any aspect of service from Adorama, is also most welcome to contact me directly: helen@adorama.com

You may be of the above you describe. But it is all too lengthy. I think shorter and to the point ROCK STAR describes you better. :)

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EOS Bodies / Re: A New EOS M with EVF Second Half of 2014?
« on: December 10, 2013, 07:58:55 AM »
well well well
To little too late, enjoying the a7r.

I am so eying the Fuji XE2 with the 23mm 1.4. Suits my needs better for my 'casual' camera needs - f1.4. Great high ISO, light, built in flash. I do not need full frame for my 'casual/dinner out' camera.

Having said that I am glad you enjoying a7r. If I did not have my Canon gear I would certainly choose the Sony to be my camera. I think after I get the XE2 I will stop carrying my 5d3 for holidays.

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