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Canon General / Re: Announcements Coming Tonight
« on: March 21, 2013, 05:22:24 AM »
sarcasm mode OFF

what are the actual differences between 650D and 700D? it doesnt seem like there anything new there
I asked myself the same. it seems they wanted update the nee kit lens and then renamed the body to go with it. Why not 650D MkIi and then go for a name change qhen new tech comes?.

DPReview just posted their "Hands-on Previews" for the SL1 and T5i; the big difference they found so far with the T5i vs the T4i is ...(wait for it)

You get a new mode dial! You'll be the envy of all DSLR users as you switch modes in luxury with its full 360 degree spin (in both directions!), wider spaced smoother clicks to switch modes with greater ease and the newly designed RAISED labels providing a more noticeable selection in low light situations.

 ...seriously that's what they said, it seems to have the same sensor and everything else (even the same Phase-Detect Hybrid CMOS) as the previous T4i (oh and a slightly better kit lens) but good luck to any retailers trying to sell this for $1000 when t4i kits are going for less then $800 (that goes for $800 SL1 retailers too). 

Rebel updates have never been major but they at least had enough to peak an interest, I am really really really finding it hard to see any reason at all for the 700D/T5i.  Unless they find better image or video quality during their official proper tests (which I seriously doubt) then I'm sorry but if you have a 700D/T5i ...you're an idiot... (like I said sorry).




The SL1/100D on the other hand at least seems interesting but it doesn't seem to have a better sensor, here are the differences found so far:

1. Canon says they just updated the "Phase-Detect Hybrid CMOS" to widen its range to cover a greater portion of the frame (up to 80% now).  It seems to have the same basic sensor as the EOS M (which supposed also has native ISO up to 12,800) and 650D except for the wider "hybrid" range. 

2. They also removed the dedicated WB, Drive, Picture Styles and AF mode buttons from its 4-way directional pad on the back (I don't see the point of this other then to screw users) and combined the Quick Menu and OK Selection button (that actually sounds like a good idea). 

3. They also reduced the AF points to non cross-type except for the center one at f/2.8 or faster (like the T3i).

The SL1/100D is a step-back in features from the Rebel T1i but its low weight and size almost balance it out, although it seems to be an EOS M with a mirror, a grip, added weight and size...

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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 70D, DIGIC 6 & 18mp Sensors
« on: March 20, 2013, 08:52:55 PM »
A new sensor! Oh no. What will people whine about now?

No worry, for some folks nothing Canon will ever do will be enough.

550D 600D 7D 60D 650D share the same sensor, and if the rurmors are valid, 700D and 100D will have 18mp too
where is the evolution on that?

Seems to me that Canon sells the old technology as new, sucking our pockets dry.. so no, its not enough for me!

Try to keep up, Megapixels aren't everything, in fact I hope Canon sticks to 18mp for APS-C.  After seeing the "evolution" to image quality Sony and Toshiba did with 24mp APS-C sensors image if Canon could apply those advancements to an 18mp one. 

18mp is a nice balance for resolution and diffraction limits (even though at this high resolution diffraction will be barely noticeable), but it's nice to know that every Canon lens isn't diffraction limited wide open (f/5.6 being the slowest stop without diffraction limitations) and I think we can start dreaming of better signal to noise ratios that rival 5D markII with a usable ISO 3200, better Dynamic Range and Cleaner video for Canon APS-C ;D

I just hope Canon doesn't skimp on features like All-I and IPB video codecs, auto ISO limiters or AFMA.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS-b Images Leak & a New Kit Lens
« on: March 20, 2013, 01:35:23 AM »
EOS-B stands for "Baka", which is Japanese for fool, as in April Fools... ;-P

just my two cents  :)

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS Rebel T5i Leaks
« on: March 20, 2013, 01:00:49 AM »
WAIT WAIT WAIT!  ...You're telling me that 2 of Canon's "4 new APS-C cameras for 2013" are the same thing?!  And not much better then their last 4 APS-C cameras?

My only question is why didn't they just make the EOS-B the new rebel?
... At least if the EOS-B was the new rebel they could say that they changed something and made it smaller, lighter, but with even better performance.

Totally agree, this makes no sense.  So the "new" 100D/EOS-B is going to be $800 and the "new" 700D(or "655D") is how much more for roughly the same thing as a 100D and 650D?!

Canon really must want current APS-C owners to upgrade to a 6D, why else release the same 4 year old APS-C cameras again but at a slightly inflated price...  "Your upgrade choices are this; buy your current camera again for a little more then you paid last time or double down on a Full Frame."

So, T5i goes head to head against Nikon D5200 while EOS-b competes against the D3200. Not bad.

and they both get punched in the face... Hard... and fall over bleeding

How so? Pixel count? Anything else?
That D5200 has an amazing Toshiba APS-C sensor; with excellent Signal to Noise ratios, Dynamic Range and Low Video Moire.  Too bad Nikon set it up with a lack luster, feature-less camera body.  I don't know much about the D3200 but it seems to have the Sony sensor found in the D7000 that bested Canon's APS-C image quality.  These new Canons still have a better control layout (IMO) and manual video modes (I hope) plus more cross-type AF points and decent fps bursts for photo shooting but if you want/need better Image Quality then Canon may not be what you're looking for anymore (but I'd hold that judgement until these are actually tested)

Also price wise 100D/EOS B competes against the D5200 at $800...

Personally I would like to see the return of eye controlled focussing in some shape or form. Would be an interesting challenge for some 61 focus points. Your move, Canon.

I would love that. would be so damn useful for sports
Canon used that in a 5 point AF system that was positioned horizontally across the frame.  Though I guess it could be practically applied in the "Zone AF mode"; that might be useful.

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This has been the most useless thread I've ever read... lol

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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 100D Coming? [CR1]
« on: March 17, 2013, 09:45:22 PM »
I really think Canon has too many 18mp sensor on stock and it's just finding a way to use them and the Eos M isn't selling enough; so they are trying with a different body around the same sensor.
7d, 550d, 60d, 600D, 650D and eosM. Now 100D.. 7 cameras in 4 years with the same sensor and unfortunately for us canon lovers it makes sense. Canon is doing an internal scale economy, exactly what Sony is doing selling sensors to the other brands. I said Unfortunately for us because the replacements are slower then Sony.
Because I see it more an economical and not technical problem I am pretty sure the next generation will be greater then the competition especially at the beginning. It has to be if they wanna use it till 2016!
 :)

Good point but don't forget Sony is still using the same 16mp sensor technology in most of their own models as well. (Nex-5n, Nex-C3, Nex-5r, Nex-F3 Nex-6, Nex-3n, A55, A35, A57, A580, Nex-VG20, Nex-EA50 and Nex-VG30) Not to mention all the Nikon and Pentax cameras using it.

Although, like Canon, their most recent iterations are technically different with an integrated phase detect sensor.

Canon is not just competing with Nikon, in fact they said they were more concerned with Fuji and Sony as a sensor manufacturer.  I'm sure Canon is doing this for financial reasons; they put a lot of time and money into making that 18mp sensor so they're trying to get their money back and make enough of a profit to fund a new design that's competitive with the future mainstream sensors.  So they need to save/make enough money to compete with Sony's new sensor tech since Sony seems to be doing the best at optimizing funding.

I hope Canon can make a competitive sensor because I find their cameras the most enjoyable to use.

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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 100D Coming? [CR1]
« on: March 16, 2013, 08:53:45 PM »
If this is true, then that's too bad for the long awaited 70D but I still think Canon is trying to reorganize their model naming and pricing.

700D becomes - 100D (at $1200 body only)
70D becomes - 10D Mark II (at $1500 body)
6D (at $2000)
7D Mark II (at $2500)
5D Mark III (at $3000)
ect

I assume Canon needed something to compare with Nikon's D7100 in the $1200 range which the Rebel 650D cannot and rather then lowering the potential price of their 70D they decided to update the Rebel line instead, but this would obviously upset some of those brand new 650D(T4i) owners so instead they are introducing as a new model line.

But I am excited to see what it is (if it's true).  Canon has already added a lot of good features to the last Rebel 650D everything except update the sensor.  I assume the same with this model but what more can they add?  This may be a relatively low priced very feature rich camera.  To compete with the new Nikon's they might remove the low pass filter, add clean HDMI out, better video codecs, or even try a 3rd party 24mp sensor like the Sony or Toshiba that have appeared in Nikon DSLRs.

Either way, I would welcome a lightweight, low priced feature rich camera with an EF mount that could potentially replace a 60D and 650D alike.

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EOS Bodies / Re: New DSLR at the End of March [CR2]
« on: March 03, 2013, 05:35:43 AM »
So, will Canon actually try to compete with Nikon this time (in the $1000 range) or will they pull another "6D move" and demand $1500 for a slightly updated 7D with wifi?
I think for Canon to keep my vote they need to address the following with this new DSLR;

1. Price, the Nikon D7100 and D5200 are proving to be great cameras in the $1000 range (give or take a $100 or 2).  Also the Panasonic GH3 is another great camera to be had int his range.

2. Noise patterns, I'm aware APS-C won't reach the same low-light performance as "Full Frame" but everyone else's is getting acceptably close, I expect usable ISO 3200 this time.

3. Clean HDMI out, Canon is now the only one without it and they've proved that they are holding it back with firmware so they really shouldn't have an excuse to omit it.

4. Video Moire, it's low on most of the new cameras and this is where the 6D and T4i are failing so Canon needs another win to equal the others in this department with a camera other than the $3000 5D3.

I expect this "70D" to be a 7D with wifi and a slightly lower build quality with a reduction of minor features (1/4000th shutter, 1/200th flash sync, 5fps, SD card slot, no PC sync and no headphone jack) but I hope they took steps (no line-skipping) to make this the best APS-C video DSLR.  That would leave the 7D2 to try and be the best APS-C sport/wildlife camera (hopefully with a built-in 2x crop mode like the D7100 but with 10fps and all cross-type AF points :D).  The 6D's greatest weakness (video moire) could be the 70D's greatest strength, since we know it won't be low-light performance or fast photos.

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EOS Bodies / Re: New Cinema Camera & Lenses for NAB 2013
« on: February 13, 2013, 02:33:47 AM »
I bet they have this wrong, there isn't really any room for product differentiation between the c100 and the c300. I bet we finally see the 5D-C.

The black magic cinema camera is poised to steal market share from Canon in video, but they are still getting their supply chain figured out with 3-6 months of back-orders. Now is the time for Canon to retaliate.

A 5D-C that records raw (at actual 1080 res), with an s35 crop mode, but doesn't handle jello, moire, and rolling shutter as well as the c100-c500 line, or have any pro features.

All for $4K (US).

This makes no sense with the 1D C in play, a 7D C would be more practical but I'm afraid they might priced it in the $6k area.

Also I assume the lens is the still missing, CN-E35mm T1.5 L F

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Ah yes the legendary 50-150/2.8, I was waiting for the OS version for so long, I remember it quietly announced but was it ever released?

Actually I would really like some more EF-S primes; like an 85/1.4 to better compete with the 135/2, perhaps a 24/2 and the return of the 200/1.8 in EF-S (or is that going to be too big and expensive against the current 200/2 EF?).

Or why not go really crazy and hope for a 50-150/2.8 with built in 2x (fine maybe 1.4x) extender! :D lol.  I think that might kill off the 100-400/4.5-5.6L though, but who's really buying this other than APS-C wildlife and sports photographers anyway.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/853533-REG/Sigma_692_101_50_150mm_f_2_8_EX_DC.html

:)
Filter Thread            Front: 77 mm
Dimensions (DxL)    Approx. 3.4 x 7.8" (8.64 x 19.81 cm)
Weight                    2.95 lb (1.34 kg)

The 50-150 non-OS was relatively small and light. This one, given the size and weight, I do not see the point of making it for crop sensor only  :o.

Price ain't bad, but I already got a 70-200/2.8 

Good point about its size and weight, I'd rather stick to the 70-200.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 6D Likely Price Trend
« on: February 11, 2013, 07:33:16 PM »
I think all the price drops have to due with rumors of the 70D coming soon with better features, but i doubt the 70D will be that much better so these prices may snap back to $2000 after the 70D is officially announced.

I've never experienced such a price climb, it might be +-100€ depending on how much pressure is from budget mail order on the big players like amazon, but once the public has registered how much air there is in a product's price they won't accept the higher price anymore and just wait to drop again.

Well remember it's still officially MSRP $2000, these are just temporary sales that I assume will stop once the 70D actually gets announced.

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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 6D Anti-Aliasing Filter
« on: February 11, 2013, 07:28:30 PM »
The question is, why is the 5D III so superior to the 6D in this area? Is it processing power or something else?

Thanks,
Drew

The 5D3 sensor is precisely 3 x the horizontal resolution of 1080p video, so all they have to do is combine each nine pixels into 1.

Right, but are they actually doing that? Everyone keeps pointing out how easy and practical it is to do but I've never heard or seen anything else supporting the fact they are doing that.  I want to believe it, I really really hope they are but I still don't have proof.

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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 6D Anti-Aliasing Filter
« on: February 11, 2013, 05:49:51 PM »
I'm not saying the 5D3 isn't better than a 6D and it seems practical to pixel bind with the native resolution of the 5D3 but I am seeing very similar if not the same results with the 6D and this third party AA filter that I see with native 5D3 video footage.

Terrific - just one detail though: "VAF-6D Moire / Aliasing Filter - Your Price: $365.00" ... and thinking of the current 5d3-6d price difference, the tons of things that make the 5d3 a more capable camera ... well, you know :-o ...

Very true, that's why I keep saying the 6D isn't worth it until it hits $1500 or less.

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Ah yes the legendary 50-150/2.8, I was waiting for the OS version for so long, I remember it quietly announced but was it ever released?

Actually I would really like some more EF-S primes; like an 85/1.4 to better compete with the 135/2, perhaps a 24/2 and the return of the 200/1.8 in EF-S (or is that going to be too big and expensive against the current 200/2 EF?).

Or why not go really crazy and hope for a 50-150/2.8 with built in 2x (fine maybe 1.4x) extender! :D lol.  I think that might kill off the 100-400/4.5-5.6L though, but who's really buying this other than APS-C wildlife and sports photographers anyway.

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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 6D Anti-Aliasing Filter
« on: February 11, 2013, 04:46:41 PM »
I would like to add something I read in another thread about the 6D and this filter that is worth pointing out here.

That video is presented by a company that is selling a filter designed to "fix" moire and aliasing. So who is to say they didn't make the "before" video look as poor as possible in order to make their filter seem like an indispensable item? The 6D may very well look that lousy by default. How can I tell? I've never used one. But there is also no way to tell that they didn't tweak the camera settings to make it look like garbage just to sell their filter.

So that video alone is not sufficient to judge how good or bad the 6D really is.

Yeah that was me lol.

I'm not saying the 5D3 isn't better than a 6D and it seems practical to pixel bind with the native resolution of the 5D3 but I am seeing very similar if not the same results with the 6D and this third party AA filter that I see with native 5D3 video footage.  I just want to know for sure if 5D3 really pixel binds, everyone keeps saying it does but I've yet to see anything more convincing than here-say and rumors.

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