« on: September 20, 2014, 08:30:31 PM »
Yes the lower-end market below the C100 is the one neglected by Canon not the higher-end one. Up until the FS7 release, Canon were the best in the high-end share, and still are really the FS7 isn't even out yet.
Canon is best in high end? That's the first I heard this. Arri Alexa totally dominates high end. Almost Hollywood movies and TV dramas are shot on Alexa.
Red, F5/F55 are also much better than C500.
Canon did better with low end independent filmmakers with C300/C100 combo.
He meant high-end as the non, major-Hollywood type players see it. You are correct from the point of view of the really big boys though.
As someone who has used (in post and on set), the Cx00, FX5, Red One, Red One MX, Alexa, Red Epic, Scarlet, etc. I can say with confidence...
Specs aren't everything. The Alexa is way ahead of the pack, yes. But the b cameras on Alexa sets are usually C100s, C300s, and dSLRs. Sony has great specs but the image isn't quite right and ergonomics are yucky and the F5 has not caught on that much outside high end corporate. Red is a mixed bag, the hardest to use well but it seems some people pull it off. Canon has poor specs but an excellent image and easy ergonomics for low end TV.
I would take the C500 over any Red camera other than the Dragon and over the Fx5 any day. Look at the cinematography oscar noms... All Alexa and film. B cameras are all Canon and go pro.
Yes, but note you say as a B cam. Not as an A cam for the biggest Hollywood productions.
Absolutely true. Need for Speed was mostly C500, but the for anything over 1-2 million dollars, you'd better have a good reason to use any other camera than the Alexa. With Need for Speed it was low light (and skin tones), for some Red movies it's because they want a ton of resolution for digital effects and don't care so much about a beautiful organic look (Fincher, Ridley Scott) or have relationships with the company or need the tiny handheld rig.
But yes, the Alexa is leagues above anything else out there. Maybe the Dragon is close.
I wouldn't put the Fx5 or Red above the C500, though. Only the Alexa stands alone.
One thing to realize is that most of the things hobbyists and artists consider "pros" professionals count as "cons."
Easy to use ergonomics for a single operator? Sounds great...
Most pro ACs will go on about how miserable it is rigging a C300 up to resemble an Alexa or film camera. A single owner/op could not shoot effectively with the large battery hog that is the Alexa, but for a film crew the ergonomics are great.
A great image out of camera? Sounds great...
Not if you have a a LOG-based workflow.
Not if your workflow is 1080p. MAJOR shows with millions spent per episode shoot prores 422 instead of prores 444 on the Alexa to save disk space and wouldn't consider 4k. Whereas most artists/hobbyists want to use the highest quality available.
Fwiw, 12 stops of dynamic range from the C300 seems like a big negative, but within that 8 bit codec wrapper of XF cam, it's as good as you can get. Much nicer than Sony's SLOG2 implementation in the A7s, which has weird colors.
Do you really want to be a pro? Then get a job in the camera department. Or do you want to be an artist? Then buy whatever you want. It's weird to me that people trash the elements of the C300 and Alexa that specifically make them attractive to pros (1080p and easy-to-ingest codec for one). Canon won't change that for you, but Panasonic and Sony will. So... jump ship and don't look back.