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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Information [CR1]
« on: December 18, 2012, 05:10:20 PM »
I'm not so certain that Canon will introduce new sensor tech just for an 1.6 ...

You are basically right.

Still, the most practical thing to do when introducing new tech is to put it in smaller sensors first .
In fact, that's what Canon is doing already with the S100/S110/G15 sensor - which is made on new tech.

Eventually, this new tech will make it into DSLR sensors as well.
At that time, it would make the most sense if it's used for 1.6x sensors first.

Of course this is not guaranteed and Canon might have other plans.

To me, though, a 7DII with the same sensor as the 7D is kind of pointless.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Information [CR1]
« on: December 16, 2012, 03:47:11 AM »
It's all speculation at this time, not even rumors.

My prediction is that the price will be $1600-1800 in the US.

EOS Bodies / Re: Are you really serious about 6D?
« on: December 13, 2012, 03:54:49 PM »
If the 6D were "so much better" than it really is, and still significantly cheaper than the 5DIII, why would anyone buy the 5DIII? (Or, put differently, why would Canon have released the 6D at all?)   

Well, that's something for Canon to figure out, as they are in the business of selling cameras, not me.
But the 6D should have been better. 

I feel that in their efforts to differentiate it from the 5DIII, Canon ended up compromising the 6D.
That's not smart.

Instead, Canon should have put extra efforts in proper differentiation without compromising the 6D.

EOS Bodies / Re: Are you really serious about 6D?
« on: December 13, 2012, 11:23:24 AM »
But I wouldn't buy a 2k camera that really doesn't improve much apart from IQ it needs to be across the board, a camera consists of more than just a good sensor.


Some might consider the 6D to be an entry-level FF camera but it's not an entry-level camera overall.
As you said, when upgrading to the 6D, one would expect upgrades across the board, not just the sensor. 

The 650D, which sells for $599 in the US right now, has an AF system with 9 cross points with a double-cross point in the center.
The 6D cannot even match that - let alone provide an upgrade.
And that's despite the 4x price difference.

EOS Bodies / Re: Are you really serious about 6D?
« on: December 12, 2012, 10:36:27 PM »
Please help me understand why people are excited about 6D?

People are finally able to afford the Holy Grail - a full frame DSLR.
They are in awe and even 6D's single-point AF system (effectively) is holy.
It's a blasphemy to speak against it.

EOS Bodies / Re: 6D hands-on reviews by many websites..
« on: December 08, 2012, 02:23:36 PM »
Our teachers say, that the 7D Mark 2 starts selling in the end of spring 2013 (in Germany and Austria). But it will be expensive.

That's very interesting.
I’m hearing similar things on other forums as well.
So, it seems that a 7DII announcement is indeed imminent.

I can’t imagine that the 7DII will be priced higher than the 6D.
Canon has done other nonsensical things, though (just look at the 6D AF system  :-*).
So,  who knows.

EOS Bodies / Re: 6D or 5D3 (or wait for 7d2?)
« on: December 08, 2012, 01:59:14 AM »
There is a very good chance that the 7DII will be announced in January or February next year.
If you can wait that long, you will be able to make a more informed decision.

I fully expect that the 7DII will have an improved ISO performance.
Still, it's hard to believe that it will be able to match the 6D in ISO.

So, if ISO is of utmost importance to you, getting the 6D makes sense even now (especially if you have a FF itch :P).
Good luck.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 6D Under-Exposing?
« on: December 05, 2012, 02:18:19 PM »
These shots confirm what I've noticed with other 6D test shots: that the 6D has a tendency to 'expose to the left'.
Reminds of my 40D, which does the exact same thing.

Not sure why Canon decided to implement the 6D exposure like that but I can tell for sure that this was their intent.
Overall, nothing to worry about. This is not a 'bug' but a feature ;).

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 6D vs 5D MKII (Focusing?)
« on: December 03, 2012, 09:54:07 PM »
My final words are.. the center point from the Canon 6D might be better for accuracy from any Canon camera ever build.. believe me, this thing is very powerful..
Hmm. LensRentals did a controlled test and the results don't support your enthusiasm.
In terms of AF accuracy, the 6D is closer to the 5DII than the 1DX/5DIII.

EOS Bodies / Re: 6D Likely Price Trend
« on: December 02, 2012, 11:39:28 PM »
The price will drop eventually.
The 6D is not overpriced as the 5DIII, though, so I wouldn't expect a very quick price drop.
More like the normal, gradual drop over the product lifecycle.

IMO, by the end Q1 next year it will be clear what the demand is for the 6D.
The price will be adjusted if necessary (by $100-200 max) and then will stay stable until the holiday season.
After that, it’s anybody’s guess what the price will be.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Information [CR1]
« on: December 02, 2012, 03:19:27 PM »
Hard to believe that the 7DII will be more expensive than the 6D.

As per Canon's nomenclature, the 6D is a more premium model than the 7D.
So, unless Canon's marketing guys are out of wack, the 7DII won't be more expensive.

As I said in a previous post, I'm expecting that the 7DII price will remain the same as the 7D at introduction ($1699).
This is based on the expectation that the 7DII will be a warmed-over 7D but with a better sensor.

I could be wrong, of course, and the 7DII might get a price as high as the 6D.
Certainly not higher (again, unless Canon's marketing department has gone out of control).

EOS Bodies / Re: More 6D sample images - with RAW files.
« on: December 02, 2012, 12:50:10 PM »
Overall, it looks like the 6D will get a higher DxO score than the 5DIII when DxO does their thing.

This is one of those weird things that I don't understand about Canon:
The cheaper 7D has a better AF system than the 6D, which in turn has a better sensor than the (much) more expensive 5DIII.
Why would someone do these things ???. Wouldn't it make more sense if the more expensive product is also the better one?

EOS Bodies / Re: More 6D sample images - with RAW files.
« on: December 02, 2012, 12:34:51 PM »
Here is what you asked for: iso3200 and 6400 comparisons

Many thanks.

There's no discernible difference At ISO-3200 but at ISO-6400 the 6D seems a trace better.
Look at the black patches at the bottom of the frame to see the difference (between the circuit board and the grey card).

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Information [CR1]
« on: December 01, 2012, 01:37:49 PM »
One thing missing....what is your expected/suggested price for the 7D MKII?

$1699, same as the 7D at introduction.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Information [CR1]
« on: December 01, 2012, 12:30:17 PM »
they will not trump the 5d3 so res is below 22, noise is terrible as usually with crop.

Agree about the resolution. I believe the 7DII will have 20mp.

Not sure about the noise, though.
As previous rumors suggested, the 7DII might indeed use newer sensor tech.
If that's the case, I'm expecting ISO performance on par with the 1DIV.

In general, all those recent 7DII rumors suggest a 1DIV ... at a 7D price.
Hmm, don't know about that.

Since wishlists and speculations are fun, here is what I think we can expect from the 7DII:

  • Sensor: a better 20mp sensor with ISO on par with the 1DIV.
    Positive surprise: ISO is even better.

  • Frame rate: remains the same at 8fps.
    Positive surprise: maybe 8.5fps or 9fps.

  • AF system: same as on the 7D but a tad snappier.
    Positive surprise: more AF points (maybe 27 or 33; certainly not 61).

Overall, the 7DII will be a warmed-over 7D but with a better sensor and other minor improvements.
The 7DII will be like the 1DIV ... but only in image quality.

Other than that, it will remain a 7D: an excellent offering but not a 1D series.

There, you heard it here first  8).

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