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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: dpreview 6D samples
« on: November 19, 2012, 07:29:24 PM »
What are you talking about?

I just compared the 6D at ISO-6400 vs the 5DIII at ISO-6400 ... and the 6D is cleaner and with better colors.

Overall, the 6D image quality is shaping up as better than the 5DIII.

EOS Bodies / Re: February & March are Announcement Months for Canon [CR2]
« on: November 19, 2012, 06:15:18 PM »

Canon seems to do well regardless of whether their technology is the best or not.

Aah. You must have missed the discussion about the last quarterly results from Canon and Nikon.

DSLR sales at Canon were down for the quarter (compared to 2011), while Nikon's sales were up.
Canon blamed it on the strong yen and delayed introductions.
(How is the strong yen affecting Canon but not Nikon ??? )

The fact that Canon is down for a quarter is certainly not a big deal.
But if you are down while the competition is up, then you have reasons to be concerned.

Overall, Canon was not doing all that well last quarter.
They've been overpricing left and right in the last year - but if the last quarter is any indication, their overpricing strategy is not working out.

EOS Bodies / Re: February & March are Announcement Months for Canon [CR2]
« on: November 19, 2012, 03:40:22 PM »
You plain and simply stated, as quoted above, that Canon does not have "BSI technology". Having technology does not mean it has to be fabricated in a sensor.

What if Canon's R&D team just simulated this BSI technology on their CAD/CAM workstations?
And then filed a patent based on this research.
Would you say that Canon has a BSI technology?

Lets stop mincing words.

A good, common sense definition of 'having a technology' is that you have products based on this technology.
Alternatively, 'having a technology' might just mean that you have filed a single patent based on paper research.

It can be argued that both of these are valid definitions.

So, when I said that Canon does not have a BSI technology, I was actually quite correct - as per the common sense definition above.

EOS Bodies / Re: February & March are Announcement Months for Canon [CR2]
« on: November 19, 2012, 12:00:22 PM »
Without understanding too much of tech here, if that is the case with the 6D, a next 5D could be fully equipped with 180nm sensors. Which would yield more than an incremental upgrade, right?

Right. This should not prevent you from enjoying your (excellent) 5DIII, though :P.

EOS Bodies / Re: February & March are Announcement Months for Canon [CR2]
« on: November 19, 2012, 11:57:37 AM »
... Canon does not have BSI technology.

Um, I beg to differ: Canon does have BSI technology, and for LARGE form factor sensors as well, FF and APS-C!

This is a patent, not an actual sensor.

Canon does not have any BSI sensors in production, as Lee Jay implied.

EOS Bodies / Re: February & March are Announcement Months for Canon [CR2]
« on: November 18, 2012, 10:51:27 PM »
Canon produces back-side illuminated CMOS sensors with 1.5 micron pixels (equivalent to 24,000x16,000 = 384MP on full-frame) for its compact cameras. 

These are likely Sony sensors, as Canon does not have BSI technology.

Canon does not use it's own sensors for compacts ... except for the 12mp sensor in the S100/S110 and G15.
This is the sensor, based on which Chipworks concluded that Canon has a 180nm (FSI) process already.

The 180nm process should start making appearances in DSLRs soon.
It appears that parts of the 6D sensor are already made on 180nm process, as vaguely confirmed by Canon Japan:
  • The newly developed CMOS sensor, introducing a process miniaturization in semiconductor process CMOS

It's interesting that Canon USA/Europe do not mention anything about that.

Based on the available info, though, I'd say that the 6D will end up having better image quality than the 5DIII.
Note that the rumors floating around are saying that only parts of the 6D sensor are made on 180nm.
So, the 6D sensor is essentially a 180nm/500nm hybrid.

The question is, are the new APS-C sensors from Canon going to be fully made on 180nm?
If they are 180nm/500nm hybrids, performance might not be all that different from current sensors.
But if they are fully made on 180nm, they are certainly going to match/beat the current 16mp Sony sensors.

EOS Bodies / Re: February & March are Announcement Months for Canon [CR2]
« on: November 18, 2012, 05:52:29 PM »
Is anyone else wondering why there may/will be a new "naming scheme"?

Depends on what is meant by "naming scheme".

The '7D' name will not change, IMO, but it's certainly possible that the 'Mark XX' naming scheme might get retired.
Thus, instead of using the name '7D Mark II' for the 7D successor, Canon might use a new naming scheme.

Certainly a possibility.
I'd be taking the 7DII rumors with a grain of salt, though.

The 7D is a year older than the 60D and is seemingly the next candidate for an update.
The thing is, the 60D has been continuously lagging behind Nikon's D7000 in sales, even though it's been selling for less.
So, it might actually make more business sense for Canon to update the 60D first, not the 7D.

Either way, one of these two cameras will get an update early next year for sure.
And we'll get a new toy either way :P.

EOS Bodies / Re: February & March are Announcement Months for Canon [CR2]
« on: November 17, 2012, 02:29:39 PM »
What does it mean "the sensor is currently in EOS 1DX" ??

It means that the 40+ mp sensor is put in a 1DX body for testing.
However, the expectation is that the body will be different when the high-MP camera becomes an actual product.

P.S. These are all rumors, of course.

EOS Bodies / Re: A Brief 2013 Canon Roadmap [CR1]
« on: November 13, 2012, 10:51:12 PM »
In some ways, Canon is like Intel... Nikon like AMD... AMD once beat Intel to the 1Ghz mark, caught it napping, because Intel was both arrogant and lazy... but then it came back with a Bang and AMD is still playing catch up after a decade...

Err, you are forgetting that Nikon used to be the 800 pound gorilla in the industry, not Canon.
So, according to your analogy, Nikon is now coming back to raclaim their leading position.

Nikon is already feeling the pressure and competatively pricing it's products trying to get back market share...

Again, incorrect.

Recently, Canon has been (grossly?) overpricing their products - in what looks like a misguided attempt to position themselves as the Apple of the camera industry (or something like that).

To see the results of this overpricing strategy, though, just look into the last quarterly results from Canon and Nikon.

Last quarter, Canon's DSLR sales were down compared to 2011.
Canon also lowered their outlook for the year ... for a second time this year.

In comparison, Nikon's DSLR sales were up compared to 2011.
Nikon also revised their yearly projections ... upwards.

FYI, Canon projects sales of 8.8 million DSLR units in 2012 vs 7.1 million for Nikon.
If the last quarter becomes a trend, it won't take too many quarters before Nikon passes Canon as the industry leader.

So, expect Canon's overpricing strategy to be abandoned sometime next year - after they have had two-three more quarters like the last one.

EOS Bodies / Re: Where the heck is the 70D or 7D mkII?
« on: November 09, 2012, 05:44:44 PM »
They've telegraphed the big MP FF (to keep people from jumping to Nikon I suppose) ...

Canon hasn't telegraphed anything.

The 46mp figure is derived by scaling the resolution of the 7D/60D sensor to FF:
  • 18mp * 1.6 * 1.6 = 46.08mp

Not sure who thought that this was a good idea but it looks like wishful thinking to me.

40mp would be much more palatable, for example.
A 40mp sensor will be able to achieve UHD video resolution (3840 × 2160) with 2x2 pixel binning.
Canon is already doing 2x2 pixel binning on the 5DIII for HD video (hence the magic number 22mp).
And it would only make sense if they do the exact same thing on a high-MP camera.
This would require a 40mp sensor, though, not a 46mp sensor.
So, 40mp is actually more likely than 46mp for the high-MP camera.

The 46mp figure is not only not telegraphed by Canon but it's also a very weak [CR0] rumor.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Rumors Surface [CR1]
« on: November 09, 2012, 03:35:40 AM »
I think we’ll see the APS-C market slow down a bit, now that the D600 and EOS 6D are changing the pricing structure for consumer camera bodies.

This is a puzzling thought. It suggests a consumer who wants to try a DSLR first buys into a Rebel under $1K, and then when he wants to be better, he has two choices:

1. Get a 7D2 at over $2K. There is nothing (xxD) in between, and the 7D2 may be all wrong for him given its intended purposes.

2. Go FF with a 6D at over $2K.

Seems to me that leaves a HUGE soft spot between $1K and $2K.

The gap between $1K and $2K is shaping up as a dead zone for the time being.
Nikon has it too, btw.

The reason seems to be that consumers do not want to spend more than ~$1K on a camera.
And pros and enthusiasts seem to demand higher specs & performance, which manufacturers cannot meet cost-effectively with sub-$2K models.

At the end, cameras in the $1K-$2K range end up being unattractive to all groups of buyers - expensive for consumers and yet not good enough for pros and many enthusiasts.

Looking forward, it seems likely to me that Canon will raise the price of the 7DII to around $2K, while keeping the 70D price at around $1K.
For these prices to work, though, Canon needs to put a high-performance (crop) sensor in the 7DII.

Otherwise, the 7DII image quality will be perceived as substandard and the 7DII will fall into the dead zone, where the it’s unattractive to most buyers.

Lenses / Re: 24-70 F/4L IS - Why I will Buy/Not Buy this lens.
« on: November 06, 2012, 06:56:02 PM »
I'd like to move to FF and the 6D + 24-70/4L combo is very appealing because of its compact size and high image quality.

But this combo needs to sell for less than $3000 for me to consider it.
It also needs to have a more advanced AF system - not the prehistoric AF on the current 6D.

So, it seems that until the new 24-70/4L gets cheaper and until the 6D gets updated with a better AF, Canon won't have my money.

Your move, Canon  8).

EOS Bodies / Re: [Poll] Canon Reign Supreme Again?
« on: November 03, 2012, 06:08:56 PM »
After EOS 1DX's trashing of D4 and 5D Mark III's victory over D800, will 6D destroy D600 for a complete FF sweep?

Hmm. I had to chuckle when I read this.

When the actual (not rumored) DxO scores for the 1DX came out, it turned out that the D4 has a better sensor after all.
Both the D800 and D600 have better sensors than the 5DIII as well.

So, not seeing how Canon is trashing Nikon. It's actually the opposite.

Also, the quarterly results for the last quarter show that Nikon's sales are up, while Canon's sales are down.
Again, how is Canon trashing Nikon when Nikon is gaining market share and Canon is losing???

I'm a Canon shooter, who has spent thousands of $$$ on Canon gear.
I find Canon's recent products very disappointing, since they are either underspec'd or overpriced ... or both.

So, at this time I'm actually very glad that Nikon is trashing Canon.
Maybe someone at Canon's headquarters will finally take notice.

Third Party Manufacturers / Re: New RED One Price
« on: November 02, 2012, 05:50:52 PM »
RED is very quick in responding to Sony's latest announcements.

EOS Bodies / Re: Where the heck is the 70D or 7D mkII?
« on: October 31, 2012, 02:21:46 PM »
Before the 6D announcement, I was of the opinion that the 7D series was done.
But considering the 6D specs, I now think the opposite. 

Most likely we'll see a 7DII in the spring of next year and a 70D in the fall, IMO.

Interesting to speculate what the 7DII and 70D will offer.
It appears that Canon's strategy is to have the 7DII and the 6D as different upgrade paths for Rebel/60D/70D owners.
But if the 6D is positioned as an (appealing) upgrade option for a 70D owner, then the 70D will have to remain more or less the same as the 60D. In fact, Canon might decide to further Rebelize the 70D.

The 7DII has more room for upgrades in terms of features.

Of course both the 7DII and the 70D will get new sensors plus Digic 5(+) processors.
We'll see.

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