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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: New RED One Price
« on: November 02, 2012, 05:50:52 PM »
RED is very quick in responding to Sony's latest announcements.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Where the heck is the 70D or 7D mkII?
« on: October 31, 2012, 02:21:46 PM »
Before the 6D announcement, I was of the opinion that the 7D series was done.
But considering the 6D specs, I now think the opposite. 

Most likely we'll see a 7DII in the spring of next year and a 70D in the fall, IMO.

Interesting to speculate what the 7DII and 70D will offer.
It appears that Canon's strategy is to have the 7DII and the 6D as different upgrade paths for Rebel/60D/70D owners.
But if the 6D is positioned as an (appealing) upgrade option for a 70D owner, then the 70D will have to remain more or less the same as the 60D. In fact, Canon might decide to further Rebelize the 70D.

The 7DII has more room for upgrades in terms of features.

Of course both the 7DII and the 70D will get new sensors plus Digic 5(+) processors.
We'll see.


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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon to start using 0.18um (180nm) process for FF?
« on: October 30, 2012, 10:21:43 PM »
And Sony is only the third largest manufacturer (at 18% total market revenue), Both Samsung and Omnivision are larger than Sony.
Hmm, you are quite incorrect, actually. 

Sony is the industry leader with $2.6B in revenue for 2011.
Somewhat surprisingly, second is ... Canon, with $874M in revenue for 2011 (3x smaller than Sony).



Source: Image Sensors World.

Also, as I said already, Canon has had a 180nm process in house since at least 2007.
See the White Paper on their 52mp prototype, which they developed in 2007.
Scroll to page 3 of the White Paper, where the sensor technology is listed as 180nm.

Finally, as I've also said already, the S100/S100 sensor is made on 180nm.
This sensor has been in production for a year now.

Overall, Canon has been working on a 180nm process for at least five years now and has had in production for at least a year.

We can only speculate why this process has not been used for DSLR sensors ... yet.
Probably they are working on the yields - or they are just milking their 500nm process as much as possible.

I feel that the time for change has come, though.
Canon has not had a new APS-C sensor for three years now (since the current 18mp sensor was introduced back in 2009).
For comparison, between 2004 and 2009, they've had a new APS-C sensor basically every year.

This 3-year 'silence' indicates to me that a major change is coming.
Likely the transition from 500nm to 180nm; we'll know for sure next year.

Something else to consider:
Canon entered the high-end video market just last year with the Cxxx series.
Sony, RED, and Arri are the incumbents in this market.

If Canon thinks that they can compete with a 500nm process in the brewing 4K/8K video resolution wars, they are complete idiots.
Or, more likely, they know very well what's coming - and feel that they can compete. 
Certainly not with a prehistoric 500nm process, of course.

Check out the lasted video cams from Sony, btw. This is getting quite serious. 


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Lenses / Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/4L IS Coming [CR3]
« on: October 30, 2012, 04:48:25 PM »
either this lens is like 800USD MSRP or its DOA.

More like $900 but in principle you are correct.

If priced above $1K, this rumored lens will have the same fate as the 24/28 IS - sitting on the shelves until it gets discounted.

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Lenses / Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/4L IS Coming [CR3]
« on: October 30, 2012, 04:08:39 PM »
24-70mm f/4L IS?

WTF?  Just.....WTF?!?

Two words: compact size.

The 24-105L is smaller than the 24-70L but it's still not a compact lens.

Canon needs a smaller (and cheaper?) kit lens for the smallish 6D. 
A compact, high quality 24-70mm f/4L IS would be a very good fit.

Depending on price, I'd be very interested in such a lens - and potentially the 6D too.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 5D Mark III - Price Drop Details
« on: October 29, 2012, 04:11:26 PM »
Here are my predictions:

$2999 this Christmas
...

i don't think this can happen.  ...

i don't think you'll see this camera sell for less than 3k until the mark iv comes out.

Well, it happened already ... just seven months after the 5DIII was introduced.

(And I was spot on, btw    ;D 8) ).

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EOS Bodies / Re: DxOMark Sensor Performance: Nikon vs. Canon
« on: October 28, 2012, 02:15:04 PM »
The next major innovation from Sony is to combine the image processing logic with the sensor die using a "3D" layered die attachment process. That won't really revolutionize IQ ...

Maybe not revolutionize but will constitute the next major step in performance.

The big thing about the stacked/3D design is that the circuitry layer can be made ... cheaply ... on a state-of-the-art chipmaking process (say 45nm).
This will allow the integration of sophisticated on-sensor signal processing (per-pixel ADCs, dual conversion gain, etc.) - and in turn better overall sensor performance, which might prove impossible to match by a 'standard' sensor.

So, the stacked/3D design has a lot of promise, actually.
And unlike current BSI techologies, it will be much more cost-effective to scale to DSLR sensors.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon to start using 0.18um (180nm) process for FF?
« on: October 28, 2012, 01:10:38 PM »

There are two ways we might see a new 180nm sensor first - either in an APS-C format, where the production yields are higher, and as a result the cost per sensor is more palatable on a new fab, or in a high end high resolution FF body where a high cost per sensor can be absorbed through the premium price of the product.

My thoughts exactly.

FYI, the 180nm sensor mentioned in the Chipworks article is the S100/S110 sensor.
This sensor has been on the market for about a year now (the S100 was announced in September 2011).

So, Canon't 180nm sensor technology is in production already; it's not some R&D project.
The question is, when are they going to scale this process to DSLR sensors.

Indeed, because of yields, it makes the most sense to first implement it in a premium APS-C model (7DII?).
But Canon is not known for doing things that make much sense (6D anyone  ::)). So, who knows.

OTOH, after the disappointing sales numbers from last quarter, Canon is surely under pressure to show improved sales.
This bodes very well for bringing the (pending) 180nm DSLR sensors to market ASAP.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Looks like the 6D may not be so bad after all
« on: October 11, 2012, 11:55:08 AM »
It looks like noone wants my money unless I give them ALL of it.   

I think you nailed it.

Between an overpriced 5DIII and an underspec'd 6D, I'm choosing ... to spend on neither.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Rumors Surface [CR1]
« on: October 08, 2012, 02:28:05 PM »
The performance of the new sensor:  that is the key to whether or not I'll be  interested.   

+1000

The only thing that would make the 7DII interesting for me would be a low-noise sensor.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Looks like the 6D may not be so bad after all
« on: October 07, 2012, 06:06:11 PM »
Part of the reason I went with Canon a decade ago is because Nikon stripped down their lower end bodies to the bone, thought way too much of themselves, and priced accordingly. Now Canon seems to have that attitude, while Nikon wants to be cut throat competitive. I don't like what I'm seeing in terms of Canon pricing for a given feature set.

+1000

I bought into the Canon system when they were the price/performance leader.
Man, how things have changed since then.

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EOS Bodies / Re: mhm... open letter to canon?
« on: October 06, 2012, 01:08:51 PM »
I suspect 6D will be a super success.
I will not buy it but I know of lot of people around me who want an inexpensive full frame camera with good IQ.
They are casual photographers who want super quality for a super price without the 'bells and whistles'.
The world has far more 'casual' photographers who want value for money compared to photographers who want everything on their camera.
IMHO.

Well, it remains to be seen if the 6D will be perceived as good value for money.

Basic, consumer-level specs ... for $2099 ... is not good value for money in my book.

The thing is, even if the 6D drops to $1500, I'll still have my doubts.
The basic AF system on the 6D is certainly not confidence inspiring.
And what good is a gorgeous FF sensor on a camera that can't focus.
That's my view of things.

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EOS Bodies / Re: mhm... open letter to canon?
« on: October 06, 2012, 12:52:12 PM »
The thing that gets some people upset is when you've invested huge sums of money in the glass, and then they "hold back" on the camera.   

Exactly.

As others have said already, this is not a 'take it or leave it' proposition.

I wish it was, so Canon would have faced the music (big time!) for their recent marketing choices. 

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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 7D Mark II, EOS 70D & 700D in 2013? [CR1]
« on: September 25, 2012, 03:21:07 PM »
The 7D MK II will most likely completely redefine APS-C.

And how is it going to do that  :o ?

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EOS Bodies / Re: Enough Full Frame Talk: Where are the 7D II Rumors?
« on: September 18, 2012, 12:40:35 PM »
Drop the MP's to about 16, Dramatically improve the noise, IQ and DR and upgrade the AF.
To me it's a no brainer!
BB.

+1,000,000

Unfortunately, Canon will likely keep the same sensor and AF - and will instead 'improve' the 7D with wireless, GPS, and built-in speakers.  :'(

... if the 7D gets an upgrade in the first place.
Looking at the 6D, Canon might be planning to have all their cameras reduced to Rebels - except for the 5DIII and 1DX.
You have to admit that this is a possibility.

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