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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 70D Announced
« on: July 02, 2013, 03:56:41 PM »
No mention of a dedicated AF processor, just like 7D/5DIII have. It's what it makes their AF exceptional. 70D "only" has a Digic5+.

I have this feeling the AF will not on pair with the 7D's.

According to this preview, the 70D has the same dedicated AF sensor as the 7D:

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 70D Announced
« on: July 02, 2013, 03:53:49 PM »
I think the most interesting thing about this camera is what we now can expect from the 7DII and the other pro-grade bodies we are waiting for.

It's no point releasing an upgrade to the 7D, unless it has significant performance/feature improvements over the 70D. And if that happens, we should be in for some real treats when we approach the 5DIV, 3D, 1DXI etc.

The only problems I see are patience and funding ...  :P

+1000

ROFL!!!

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EOS Bodies / Re: POLL: What will be the 70d's price tag?
« on: July 01, 2013, 03:13:08 AM »
$1200 would be fair, $1100 would be smart, and $1300+ would be dumb.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List
« on: June 28, 2013, 02:46:06 PM »
I expect Canon will not be able to deliver a sensor+electronics matching the current Nikon D7100 sensor in terms of IQ. Not in resolution (20 vs. 24 MP) and probably even less so in DR across all ISO settings starting at base ISO nor in Hi-ISO Noise.

My prediction is that the 70D will lag behind the D7100 in terms of DR.
In terms of ISO/noise, however, the 70D should be able to match (and maybe even exceed) the D7100.

The D7100 got a high overall DxO score because of its high DR.
But if you look at the ISO/noise measurements, it's not all that good.

The 70D doesn't need to be much better than the current 18mp sensor to match the D7100 in ISO/noise.
Of course for DR it's pretty certain that D7100 will be a clear winner.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List
« on: June 28, 2013, 02:34:13 PM »
What I find interesting is that the ISO range is the same as the T5i.... there really isn't much of a difference in size of pixels between  18 and 20 Mpixels.... I would have expected that if they had gone to a newer process that the ISO range would have exceeded the T5i, so my bet is the same technology as before for the sensor with further improvements to "live view" like we have seen on the last few lower-end releases.

+1000

I'm still expecting some improvement, though.
A 5DII-->6D type of improvement, where high ISOs (3200 and above) should be progressively cleaner compared to the 60D, for example.
We'll see.

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Canon also said that it was to be the 7D2 that was the "game changer". That's when I would expect to see any signifianly better technology emerge.

Exactly.

It's only natural that new tech is introduced on higher-end bodies first.
Considering that Canon did a full refresh of their FF lineup last year, the 7DII is the best candidate right now for the new tech introduction.

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PowerShot / Re: Canon France Denies Large Sensor Compacts
« on: June 28, 2013, 12:03:43 PM »
One more thing…

Heh. I bet it's Canon USA and their lawyers.
Not happy that CanonRumors basically pre-announced the 70D.
CanonRumors is doing free PR for Canon, basically, but I guess pre-announcements are not cool - although it makes us, readers, happy.
Great job on the flyer yesterday! Congrats.

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Did I put you down? 

You called me and Neuro ignorant about the 6D AF system.
And you said that luciolepri is regurgitating stuff heard elsewhere.

So, yes, you are putting people down.

But let me tell you something:
Canon has publicly stated in interviews and in articles how they had to cut corners in order to achieve the 6D 'low' price.
In other words, they made a lot of compromises - and they publicly admitted making them.

Your precious 6D is far from perfect; in fact it's quite compromised. Canon admitted it themselves.

So, be angry at Canon for making those compromises.
Not at the people that are simply disapproving of (some of) them - and shared their disappointments in this thread.

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Is it just me, or is there honestly an inherent need to disrespect anyone who owns and enjoys a Canon 6D?

It's the other way round, actually.
You are obviously not noticing how you are meticulously going after everyone who doesn't like the 6D - in order to convince them that they are wrong and don't know what they are talking about.

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In what way is the D600 better?  I say it is not.

As neuro said, feel free to believe in anything you want.

I've tried the 6D and 5DIII side by side.
Surprisingly, the 6D felt more comfortable in my hand.
The 1-point AF system was also responsive and snappy (I did not bother with the outer AF points whatsoever - what's the point).

So yes, I have tried the 6D.
I know that the 5DIII is an overkill for me, so I wish the 6D did not have the hideous button placement at the back.
Like I said in a previous post, this is the deal breaker for me.
Others might be fine with it; I'm not.

Btw, the 70D specs were just leaked.
It will have the same AF system as the 7D - 19-points, all cross-type.
Compare this to the AF system on the 6D, a higher-end body (supposedly),
It's a shame (disgrace?), really.

Enjoy your 6D. I'm glad it's working out for you. Amen.

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So....while the value may not be there for you, it certainly is for me!

Heh. The irony is that Canon went an extra mile to inconvenience pros with some of the 6D 'features'.
And yet, due to its 'low' price, the 6D still an incredible value for pros - despite all inconveniences.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List
« on: June 27, 2013, 05:36:07 PM »
My only question here is not about the 70D itself, but about the (possible) 7Dii.
Not much room left between the 70D and the 6D/5Diii for the 7Dii ... unless the 7Dii would be something like a cropped 5Diii (around the same price as well though)

Excellent points!

The only way I can see a 7DII in Canon's future is if it is targeted more at pros than consumers.
This means a sensor optimized for high ISO (rather than more megapixels), really fast fame rate (10 fps?), better AF system (more than 19 AF points), etc..

Such a camera will surely be expensive, as it won't be targeted as consumers anymore.
A $2000 price tag won't surprise me one bit.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List
« on: June 27, 2013, 03:31:40 PM »
Is it just me or does that look like 7D to me?

No, it's not just you  8).

Except for the articulating LCD, this is basically the 7D ... with a new sensor.


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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List
« on: June 27, 2013, 03:29:47 PM »

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I disagree, because there is no other full frame camera which exceeds the 6D's overall performance and quality, for the money. 

Well, the D600 exceeds it, of course  8).

FYI, not everyone is smitten like you by the 1-point AF system (effectively) on the 6D.
And not everyone is OK with a 1-point AF system (effectively) and consumer ergonomics on a $2K camera.
I know what good value is for me - and the 6D is not.

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most complains are from people who have never touched it or pretend they have used it... but never have.
all 6D owners i know are very happy with it.

Those who bought the 6D were obviously OK with the modest 6D specs before their purchase.
Otherwise, they wouldn't think that the 6D was worth buying.

As for those complaining about the 6D:
I bet that most complaints are from people who are actually itching to spend $2000 on a FF camera - but are not happy with what the 6D is offering for the money.

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