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For me, it's two things:

AF points
As another posted said, even 11 all cross-type points would have been OK.
Right now, the 6D AF system is a 1-point AF system, as far as I'm concerned.
Not OK on a $2000 camera but still not a deal breaker, as the 6D can be found for $1600. So, still OK.

Button layout on the back of the camera
That's actually the big one for me and the deal breaker.
If it wasn't for the button layout, the 6D is essentially a newer, more compact version of the 5DII - with better image quality and a lower price tag. What's there not to like about it.
But the stupid button layout at the back - together with the stupid limitations like the lower x-sync and max-shutter speeds - ruin it for me.
I'll just never purchase a camera with this button layout.
If I have to endure horrible ergonomics, I might as well buy a Nikon   :P 8).

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EOS Bodies / Re: From NL: Big Product launch invitations
« on: June 26, 2013, 05:44:40 PM »
From NL ...

Heh, 6-8 weeks from now is the second half of August.
This is Canon's traditional announcement time.

This year the candidates are the 60D and/or 7D successor(s) plus the high-MP FF model.
We'll see what Canon will announce at the end.
 

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EOS Bodies / Re: 6D Autofocus not impressive
« on: June 20, 2013, 04:08:57 PM »
You don't work for Canon, you are voicing your own opinion and stating it as fact. 
You are doing the exact same thing.

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Your opinion does not disprove my opinion.  Clear?
Well, it does  8).

Downmarket products are typically not meant to "protect" sales upmarket products ... unless they are obviously designed to do so.

You see, there's absolutely no need for the right-hand-only button placement on the back of the 6D.

Before articulating LCDs, even the Rebels had buttons on the left side.
So, having buttons only on the right side is not some novel ergonomics idea.

Canon did it so that the 6D has a consumer feel to it and is different from the pro-oriented 5DIII.
This is so-o-o obvious that mine opinion really disproves yours in this case - based on the obviousness criteria.
And btw, you should be worried that such an obvious thing escapes you.



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EOS Bodies / Re: 6D Autofocus not impressive
« on: June 20, 2013, 03:32:17 PM »
When did I say that?  Don't put words in my mouth. 

Here's what you said:
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As for complaining that Canon "hobbled the 6D"...if they did, it was not for fear of impacting sales of the 5D3. It was to ensure that the Nikon D600 could never be offered at a lower street price than the 6D ...

To summarize this quote:
Canon did not "hobble" the 6D to protect 5DIII sales.
What they did was ensure that the 6D is cheaper than the D600.

That's what you said, no?

To that I replied that 'features' like the lower x-sync and max-stutter speed, as well as the 6D consumer ergonomics (all back buttons are on the right side, as on consumer cameras like the Rebels) have nothing to do with lowering cost.

In case it's not clear to you, Canon did these particular 'features' in order protect 5DIII sales.
As I said, these have nothing to do with reducing costs.
These are conscious decisions on Canon's part to (artificially) differentiate the 6D from the 5DIII.
Sorry if that's not clear to you.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 6D Autofocus not impressive
« on: June 20, 2013, 02:51:28 AM »
As for complaining that Canon "hobbled the 6D"...if they did, it was not for fear of impacting sales of the 5D3. It was to ensure that the Nikon D600 could never be offered at a lower street price than the 6D ...

Hmm. Just consider the lower x-sync and max-shutter speeds on the 6D vs the 5DIII.
These do not lower cost in any way, as they are implemented in firmware.
 
Also consider the right-hand-only button placement on the back of the 6D.
Look for yourself [here]. The back of the camera is a self-contained, independent module.
Any technical person will tell you that the cost of this module will not be any different if it had
buttons on the left-hand side as well - like on the 50D, 7D, 5DIII, or the 1DX, for example.

Canon did not implement these particular 'features' to ensure that the 6D is cheaper than the D600.
You can be sure about that.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Is This the EOS 3D?
« on: June 17, 2013, 03:30:20 PM »
...but if they were trying to keep it secret then why would they make a strap for it instead of just a standard canon one?

Another question to ask: why did they blur the camera but not the strap??

I think the answer is that they were intentionally leaking the camera.
The Sony A99 was leaked this way - by first leaking a photo of its strap.

I vote that the 2D/3D is real and that this is an intentional leak 8).
We are likely (very?) close to announcement.

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Canon General / Re: EOS 5D Mark III w/24-70 f/4L IS Kit Coming Soon
« on: June 05, 2013, 09:59:44 PM »
But, most of all, who the hell and why bought the 24-70/4, seeing the 24-105 is still out!?!?

If I have to choose between the 24-70 and 24-105, I'd go for the former ... but only after its price drops below $1K.
To me, the current premium for the 24-70 is totally unjustified.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Digitalrev speculates on D7100 vs. 7D2
« on: May 29, 2013, 01:56:54 AM »
I'll put my 25cents on the line that 7D II will not out perform 5D III in high ISO/low light.

OK, outperforming might be a stretch. But being quite close is not unrealistic ... at all.

If you compare Nikon's D7100 with the 5DII (not III) on DxO, you will see that they are very close in every measurement.
The 7DII needs to be only slightly better than the D7100 and it will be in 5DII territory wrt image quality - which in turn is quite close to the 5DIII.

And honestly, if the 7DII is not at least slightly better than the D7100 in image quality, Canon shouldn't bother with an update, thank you very much 8).

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EOS Bodies / Re: Digitalrev speculates on D7100 vs. 7D2
« on: May 29, 2013, 12:14:50 AM »
Keep in mind 7D was designed for speed, not so much high ISO. I can see 7D II might have 61pts AF like 5D III and an increase in frame rate(maybe 10-fps). BUT NOT IN HIGH ISO or LOW LIGHT like 5D III, regardless what the new sensor might be.

Just the opposite, IMO.
It's much more likely that we'll see a big step up in image quality than a big step in features.
See my previous post.

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Canon will not put 7D II in near 5D III  in term of high ISO/LOW LIGHT. 5D III is only 1yr old plus, it still have another 3-4yrs more before we seeing any rumors 5D 4.

I disagree.

The 5DIII needs to differentiate itself much better from both the 6D and the 7DII.
And the only way it can do that is by getting a high-quality ~30MP sensor.

So, I'm actually expecting that the 5DIII will get a replacement sooner than many expect.
Maybe as early as the spring of 2015.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Digitalrev speculates on D7100 vs. 7D2
« on: May 29, 2013, 12:07:03 AM »
What does this mean for the 5D3? Nothing! People who want FF are not going to trade in a 5D3 for a crop camera ....

Exactly.

Also, despite some of the rumors here, I don't think the 7DII will get the 61-point AF system of the 5D3/1DX.
So, the AF system will be another differentiation from the 5DIII.

Btw, for the 7DII AF system I'm expecting either a beefed-up version of the current 19-point AF (e.g. with better sensitivity to low light) or a maybe new AF system, which would still be a step below Canon's pro AF system.

But we are definitely not getting Canon's pro AF system in a $2K camera. That's for sure.
You know Canon  8).

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EOS Bodies / Re: Digitalrev speculates on D7100 vs. 7D2
« on: May 27, 2013, 06:15:26 PM »
If the 7D MKII will have a crop sensor, I do not understand how the camera will have as good of high ISO performance as the full frame 5D MKIII. 

The 5DIII is made on Canon's current CMOS manufacturing process - which is quite ancient and is well overdue for replacement.

The hope is that the 7DII sensor will be manufactured on a new manufacturing process.

If that's the case, the 7DII sensor will likely perform the same (or even better) than the 5DIII sensor.
Of course Canon will eventually make FF sensors on the new manufacturing process and FF will again pull ahead in performance.

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Lenses / Re: 24mm f/2.8 IS - is it worth it?
« on: May 27, 2013, 01:56:39 PM »
I use the 24/2.8 IS on a crop camera and I highly recommend it.
The lens is very sharp and has an 'L'-like color rendition.

Agree, though, that a prime lens is somewhat limiting for all purpose photography.
Why don't you get the 100D + 18-55 STM kit and add the 24/2.8 IS to it.
That would be a lightweight and versatile combo.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 70D Coming in July? [CR2]
« on: May 23, 2013, 01:40:24 PM »
They should really just merge the 70D and 7DII, but I know that won't happen. The 60D became just a super Rebel. The XXD series deserves to be a lot more like in the past.

+1000

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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 70D & EOS 7D Mark II
« on: May 23, 2013, 01:33:41 PM »
You know the quote "The best camera is the one you have with you?"  Applies to flashes, too. 

Yes ... but it makes you lazy too :-*.
You end up using the on-board flash rather than an external flash, which you can bounce or use with a diffuser.

So, I'm actually all for removing the on-board flash on the 7DII. 
I'd rather have WiFi (and a bult-in radio transmitter) than an on-board flash.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 70D Coming in July? [CR2]
« on: May 21, 2013, 02:50:35 PM »
Hmm. Announcing a product in July would be a first for Canon, no?

But if the 70D is indeed announced in July, then it's quite unlikely
that the 7DII will be announced in August/September.

So, it looks like the 7DII will be a 2014 camera, after all.

Well, let's hope that the 70D specs will be exciting.
Fingers crossed for a new sensor (and for removing the articulating LCD  :-*).

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