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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Nikon 7100 has been anounced
« on: February 22, 2013, 05:13:26 AM »
Canon ist sleeping. An if they wake up it's perhaps to late.

No, it'll never be too late and Canon knows it - in contrast to for example Microsoft they can change in no time by lowering the price of some models (as they did with the 5d3) and quickly release new cameras (see the fast the 6d was here) and lenses (according to the patents, they must have tons of prototypes) and flashes (440ex anyone?). That's why their making as much money as long as anyone's willing to pay their prices - good for Canon, bad for us.

Hmm, that's interesting what you say about .NET, I have spent some time on the other side (Java) and I used to think that .NET applications were prolific giving us much trouble.

.NET is a very good tech, the problem is simply that just like Java it's a bytecode language that is tuned for desktop or server environments and not for powersaving mobile devices - and Microsoft just pulled the plug for the .NET Desktop-only front-end WPF & the .NET-derivative Silverlight without shedding a tear for all the devs who put their career into it.

Same with Canon: To turn around they would have to break some eggs, i.e. undercutting current cameras with a new model that is cheaper *and* is overall "better" - and looking at the 6d specs they don't want to do that, not until the competition from Nikon actually affects their profits. In this spirit: go, Nikon, go :-)

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Software & Accessories / Re: AFMA advice sought
« on: February 22, 2013, 03:09:26 AM »
Another Focal pro user here.  It works better than any other method I have tried.

Fyi: Another Magic Lantern user here, and the latest dev build has automatic afma tuning (for the time being 5d2, but I'm sure other cameras will follow) :-) ... https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/commits/6cf3c98700f4b659215d14ede8d6fe15eeca2e81

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Nikon 7100 has been anounced
« on: February 22, 2013, 02:43:25 AM »
I'm well aware of the parallels to Microsoft, another conservative company.   Just because it happened once, doesn't mean it will happen again; by the same token, just because it happened to another company doesn't mean Canon will learn from that lesson.  Usually, changes like this don't happen overnight.  Obviously, Microsoft did not respond to those changes appropriately for their business.  It remains to be seen how Canon will respond to a declining marketshare, but of course, first that marketshare has to actually decline.

That's an interesting comparison because I do know one thing or two about Microsoft because I worked as a programmer for a MS Gold Certified partner some time, gaining insight how that company works - and it's not like Canon.

Microsoft has missed main developments again and again like the Internet or the mobile market - *but* they were always able to turn around 180 degrees and renew themselves like with Internet Explorer and now semi-abandoning WPF/.NET/Silverlight and multiple other technologies that they promoted for years a the future way. That always left a lot of victims in the M$ crowd who weren't able to turn around as fast as their tech base did, but it saved Microsoft until now.

Canon seems to be conservative because they lack imagination, while Microsoft is conservative because they use their "embrace, extend and extinguish" strategy (at least up to now) which needs a lot of time to work, i.e. pinning people to M$ tech.

I'm keen to see if Canon will be able to turn around from their strong product differentiation (high price or low features/quality) strategy in case they face a problem down the road, but on the other hand maybe they just did with the eos-m and we didn't notice until mirrorless reaches the old school dlsr segment with the cash cow customer base (that's us).

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Lighting / Re: Weird ettl ec behavior - is this just me?
« on: February 22, 2013, 02:39:18 AM »
Depends on how you define RGB-metering. The iFCL-capable cameras are actually dichromates, not the best color sensitivity, but a rough idea instead of color blindness. Basically they can detect red and blue, but green and white look the same to them.

Ok, didn't know that, thanks - I'm always learning a lot here :-)

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EOS Bodies / Re: Too early to sell 60D?
« on: February 21, 2013, 02:50:05 PM »
The question I have is this; I have recently watched the new/second-hand price of my camera go down a few hundred dollars and I was wondering if anyone believes that with the release of the next in line, will my 60D drop in resale value again or would I be relatively safe to wait and sell when the new one comes out?

Imho the 60d has dropped a lot already, I don't think the 70d/7d2 release will have much impact because both newer cameras will be significantly more expensive - to predict what will happen look at the 40d->50d->60d used prices when the updates were released - if it's a good camera body (and the 60d is) then it'll keep much value.

That's because a 60d will still have better usability than any upcoming Rebel, and most people can do a lot with the 60d (including me) and don't really need a 70d/7d2 with maybe +1/2-1.0 stop better iso. With regular large prints you're the exception to the rule and in all honesty should be saving for a Nikon d800.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Nikon 7100 has been anounced
« on: February 21, 2013, 01:47:55 PM »
Check Amazon.com for all of the 1-star [worst] ratings that Nikon is getting from buyers of the D600 and D800.

I often read Amazon reviews, but you have to forget about 5-star ratings ("everything is great! I'm the next employee of the month in viral marketing!") and 1-star ("I couldn't find the power switch" or "I was too dumb to read the specs!").

So I just had a look at German Amazon 6d & d600: The few factual complaints about the 6d were the known weak specs, and about the d600 concerning the oil smeared sensors - but overall both rated very positive, because of course both are excellent cameras if you ignore the "value" and "is it worth it" aspect.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Too early to sell 60D?
« on: February 21, 2013, 12:53:43 PM »
Normally, I don't like to buy the latest/greatest until it has had a bit of time on the market to iron out bugs and such, but I am sick of the ISO performance of the 60D and can't afford to go to a Mk3 and I have no interest in the 6D.

That leaves you with one option: win the lottery. If you are really that limited by the current 18mp sensor, even if using all the available tricks like fast lenses and ettr then the next higher mp sensor won't satisfy you either. The real question with aps-c is always: What's the final export size, and if it's not 100% then you can get away with higher iso - the dynamic range of the 60d is just mostly like 6d or 5d3.

But more on topic: Canon hasn't even *announced* the 70d or 7d2, and given Canon's latest track record it might be a while afterwards until worldwide availability, not to mention the usual €200 early adopters premium that is lifted after 2-3 months.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Nikon 7100 has been anounced
« on: February 21, 2013, 12:33:33 PM »
Canon actually markets the 6d as an entry level landscape camera...for 2k.

Sure, because for landscape you don't need af at all :-)

One cross point.>:( :( :o Even the 650d has 9 cross points. Wither, canon.

This is when I usually mention that the 6d has no (0, zero) cross points at f2.8 but just a non-cross overlay over a less precise cross sensor. The whole af system seems to be a 99% copy from the 5d2 with two more points added in the gaps, saving Canon development cost and time.

I really hope the pressure from Nikon forces Canon to get a grip again, and the Canon CEO already stated in the recent interview that the 7d2 won't be just the 7d with better specs - so I'm still waiting for the real news.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Spec List [CR2]
« on: February 21, 2013, 01:40:48 AM »
D7100 in the mix: -- let's take a quick first look

Esp. with the crop mode from aps-c the 24mp d7100 will be a budget sports/wildlife shooter's dream, looking at Canon's latest innovations I somehow doubt that they'll put something equivalent in the 7d2 but more likely they'll try keep selling their tele lenses :-o

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1.3x Crop Mode - Sports photographers take note: Building upon the telephoto benefits of the DX-format, the D7100 has the unique ability to shoot in a 1.3x DX crop mode for both stills and HD video. While in this innovative mode, shooters will gain an extra telephoto boost (2X), and a boost in burst speed to seven fps, with 15.4- megapixel resolution. Additionally, while in this mode, the 51-point AF array covers more of the frame, allowing improved subject acquisition and tracking performance through the viewfinder.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Nikon 7100 has been anounced
« on: February 21, 2013, 01:36:41 AM »
Disappointed.

Yes, it's more a 70d (my guess $1400+, iif it even exists) equivalent ... but disappointing? For $1200?! Starting Price! This is so economical I first thought it would be a typo - probably that's why Canon will expand the ff route like their CEO recently said, more money to be made in the high-end enthusiast's segment. The only positive news for Canon: The d7100 will be sold out for months, so Canon will have some time to counter.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Nikon 7100 has been anounced
« on: February 21, 2013, 12:49:03 AM »
http://www.the-digital-picture.com/News/


There's some more detailed information here:

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New 51-Point AF System - The D7100 features Nikon’s professionally proven and lightning-fast 51-point AF system, with a new Multi-CAM 3500DX AF module. Additionally, the AF system and exposure are augmented with Nikon’s 3D Color Matrix Metering II 2,016-pixel RGB sensor and Scene Recognition System, which recognizes the scene prior to shooting in order to adjust AF, AE, AWB and other parameters. The results of this system are accurate and even exposures, sharp details and vivid color, frame after frame. For additional precision, 15 of the 51 AF points are cross-type, and the center point is functional at f/8, giving DX photographers an additional telephoto advantage when using a teleconverter.


So f8 af and rgb metering? Let's see if Canon will put these 1dx-features in the 7d2... but the really interesting point driving the water to may eyes (7d2 estimated >$2000...):

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The Nikon D7100 will be available starting in March 2013 for the suggested retail price (SRP) of $1599.95* with the AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-105mm f/3.5-5.6 VR lens or $1199.95 for the body only configuration.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Spec List [CR2]
« on: February 20, 2013, 07:56:49 PM »
I wouldn't go around stating these specifications as fact, but I wouldn't simply discount them off-hand either. It's a rumor, and its a pretty decent one...the best we have at the moment.

The question is how the internal Canon decision hierarchy is - it'd be interesting to know, but of course no one will tell. I guess the final say on the gear to be produced is either made by accounting (estimated profit, i.e. mainly production cost flavored with some marketing thoughts) and/or by the top execs if it's a strategic decision.

The recent interview about the 7d2 might let us hope that Canon tries to make a big splash this time to make up for the recent lack of user's enthusiasm, so the 7d2 might really come out with a lot of features at a "reasonable"  price - but then again it might just have been a decoy to gain time because Canon is behind in the sensor race.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Nikon 7100 has been anounced
« on: February 20, 2013, 07:19:15 PM »
I love the marketing.... "a blazing fast 6 frames per second"

The real question with Nikon is usually if the highest fps only persists for the first few frames and then changes to crawl-mode (this is the case with the original d7000 and the d600) or if the buffer is deeper this time. So not to defend Nikon, but 6 continuous(?) fps with 24mp(!) in raw(?) mode imho would qualify as fast, it's the data rate vs fps that matters.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Nikon 7100 has been anounced
« on: February 20, 2013, 06:50:38 PM »
Building on
the acclaimed autofocus system from the D300s, the D7100 uses 51 focus points, including 15 cross-type sensors
for detecting both vertical and horizontal contrast variations, to achieve fast, precise focus.

51 focus points and 15 cross? Bah, only Nikon sissies need that, real photogs use 9/9 (60d) or 11/1 (6d) for an added challenge :-p

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Spec List [CR2]
« on: February 20, 2013, 06:39:22 PM »
Only a small number of people in Canon know whether the 6d is "popular" as far as meeting expected sales figures.  And a similar small number know whether the "underwhelming" view of the 6D is just from crazed internet forums or actually the view of the camera buying public at large.

Since it is obvious we don't have that data (I guess even Canon doesn't have a representative overview on the worldwide opinion in different buyer segments on the 6d) I was talking from my personal perspective - and according to the initial reactions to the 6d (mine included) there shouldn't be anyone out there buying it, but obviously a lot of people are nevertheless (me included :-)).

For example, I think the 60D was under-speced, with the deletion of MFA a big mistake.

I also though so but stood corrected - removing afma from the 60d was a very smart move by Canon, lots of people bought the more expensive 7d.

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