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Anyone besides me notice that the OP never replied to anyone after his/her initial question?

Yes, and this happens very often - it's basically longer-term cr members procrastinating or chatting among themselves. Either people with one post (like the op) just read some replies and then leave, or write something after quite a while. Another possibility is him trolling, but it didn't sound like it even though 7d vs. 60d is/was a heated issue.

as I do not really like the LCD view, a bit old school here

Me neither, and that's why I'm looking forward to an electronic viewfinder you cannot tell from an ovf - think focus peaking inside the vf...

7D...I shoot a lot of sports, FPS is a big deal, and so is AF speed/ accuracy.  From what I have read, the 7d is better at both.

Not entirely - accuracy of the 60d is somewhat better (see Lensrentals), though both are not very precise in comparison to really good af systems like 1dx/5d3. The main advantage of the 7d is more focus points & firmware customization.

Low light performance is identical between the two.  They have the same sensor, same ISO range,  and same Digic 4 processor(s).

It isn't - the low light performance of the 60d is better because the 7d has more banding (varying from body to body), so you can underexpose = faster shutter & raise shadows more on 60d. Ymmv how often you're doing this, but banding is something to consider, see the improvement 5d2->6d.

Disclaimer: The 7d is the better camera and I'd switch my 60d for free anytime - but my money goes into glass first unless a body has features I *really* depend on.

I tried using the 60D and the 5D Mark II for sports. Maybe they could suffice for someone who didn't have my standards, but for me they were worthless.

This: *your* standard, but what is the op's? It's all all about keeper rate, so 5d2 < 60d < 7d < 5d3 < 1d4 < 1dx ... if you have the highest standards you are also wrong with the 7d and should get a 1d ff with the appropriate glass. If you are like the rest of us and just want to get some good shots while it's ok to throw away a varying amount of out of focus ones, the 60d will also be fine.

I might also consider magic lantern and focus peaking once the software gets out of the early testing stage.

Um, my usual comment: On other than the 2012 cameras ml is stable and proven for years - though on 6d and the op's 5d3 you have indeed to wait for the official release.

Btw: The upcoming ml release will also have "focus bracketing" so if you are not able to see where the focus is you can at least take a couple of shots with slightly different focus and then pick the good one. Unfortunately, due to Canon firmware constraints all focusing features of ml work only in live view.

I think the 60D is a good camera but as football season approaches, it may not be enough.

It's simple, really - if you do af *tracking* the 60d is bad simply because there are too few focus points that are too far apart - plus the firmware has zero customability for tracking so the camera tends to loose focus fast if you don't stay on target all the time.

That being said, you can also shoot action on servo af with the 60d - but either your target has to fill most of the screen to use not only one af point, or it's horizontal movement, or your depth of field is not very thin (like f5.6+).

Still, with the 60d you get best results if you refocus all the time and shoot short bursts (maybe a 3x bracket with +-0.5ev) - the ~6fps is fast enough and the buffer is deep enough to be adequate.

I would assume that they aren't going to stop selling tele-converters, so I wouldn't be surprised to see them release updated versions of the teles not too far down the road.  I wonder if this is a Digic 5 issue?

The Kenko does't just hand the lens protocol through unchanged but seems to modify it a bit, for example to enable f8 af even on cameras that Canon doesn't want to have it. Canon obviously has changed the lens-camera communication a bit on the 6d/5d3, either to enable new features like dual afma or simply to torpedo 3rd party manufacturers. Once Kenko has reverse engineered it I'm sure they'll release an updated tc, however I'm wondering why it takes them so long - maybe they want to sell their current batches of "soon to be old" dgx first.

Imho all 3rd party products in this price range should have some mechanism to update the firmware for new cameras, tcs, flashes, lenses, ... I'd rather pay €50 for a trip to the service than €250 for a new tc.

Lighting / Re: Which flash for a 5d mkIII
« on: March 04, 2013, 02:49:34 PM »
I hate my 430; the buttons almost unusable.

Ymmv here - I can change the settings on my 430ex2 just fine, it's a good entry-level or second flash.

The drawbacks of the 430ex2 are of course the lower power (for hss & bounces), slower recycling time and what Canon deliberately crippled: no ext. power supply (though you can manually add it if your tech-sawy), no 90 degrees flash head rotation (big problem), no fec setting on the flash

Reviews / Re: Review - Canon Speedlite 600EX-RT
« on: March 04, 2013, 03:52:37 AM »
I believe, whilst there is a little wiggle room, the Canon specs are right for consistent and accurate flash.

Thanks for the info (other 1d3 users might appreciate it), it's just that I recently researched the 5d2+rt and didn't find a single report of it not working - though it only has 1/200 x-sync and ymmv of course.

Either way, the 6D has 100% functionality in HSS with the ST-E3-RT and 600EX-RT.

Right, plus it has the newer in-camera ui - and for the guaranteed reliability (though at only 1/180 x-sync) I'll also get the 6d.

EOS Bodies / Re: New DSLR at the End of March [CR2]
« on: March 03, 2013, 06:44:34 PM »
The plastic body which makes the 60D lighter is not really a bad thing on my list either.

+1 - when I bought the 60d I was very weary of the plastic body and even considered buying one of the last 50d - today I know that it doesn't make much of a difference, if I drop the camera the first thing to break is the lens or parts of the camera that aren't protected by a metal body either (displays, flash, ...).

Looking good to be returning to build of 40d/50d hope it is in same body as the 7d and would come with Wi-fi and GPS like the great 6D.

I'm pretty sure it'll be the same body size as the 60d - Canon obviously thinks this size and layout has a future or they wouldn't have put the 6d in it. Imho the only questions are:

... will the 70d have gps/wifi and not an internal flash (that's where the antennas are on the 6d)? Or can they do both, probably in a full plastic body again for the gps/wifi signal?

... will Canon just do a 650d-style sensor update for live view af with maybe some iso optimizations like on the 6d - or will they really put a new sensor gen in it? My bet is that only the 7d2 in the end of 2013 will get a really new sensor, Canon has enough other firmware and hardware improvements in store to make the 70d a noticeable update from the 60d.

Reviews / Re: Review - Canon Speedlite 600EX-RT
« on: March 03, 2013, 05:46:47 PM »
Page 51 of the manual covrs functionality with different age cameras. The 6D is a post 2012 camera so has no restrictions.

... but the information Canon gives is not (entirely) correct because even post-2012 cameras like the 5d2 are reported to work with full speed remote flash just fine, it's just that Canon - for marketing or warranty reasons - doesn't say it works and that the ui doesn't support rt and group mode.

A thought does occur, do you really need extra IR blocking on top of what's in the camera body already?

For stills, afaik ir blocking with a filter only makes sense for long time exposures with a nd filter to counter the loss of contrast by ir pollution. But as I wrote above, the "cheaper" ir/uv unfortunately doesn't work with uwa - and stacking filters probably wouldn't either, so the only way is a very expensive combined ir/nd filter like from Tiffen.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Transition from Nikon to Canon
« on: March 03, 2013, 06:49:58 AM »
And to me, I personally don't think Any camera body will change the way I take photos

For me, a camera with a really good af system would - like the 5d3, or even better 1dx ... unfortunately way out of my budget. As for the other lesser cameras, the differences won't matter that much.

I am rather disappointed with the HOYA 82 UV IR filter on the 16-35. There is a very clear green color cast in the corners.

I just researched that and decided against buying a combined (and convenient) uv+ir-blocker for my 17-40L - the filter doesn't work on wide angle but only with 35mm+ for the reasons you just experienced - the angle of the light entering is too different and results in color shifts. If you want to block IR with uwa, you need a dedicated hot mirror filter.

Lenses / Re: 17-40mm advice please!
« on: March 03, 2013, 04:00:43 AM »
17-55mm may be a better deal.

In general +1 (and I'd advice people to look at the 15-85, too) - unless you want a sealed lens with L build quality, after my non-L 100mm macro broke down twice I don't underestimate that point anymore.

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