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EOS Bodies / Re: POLL: The 2nd ff camera in 2014 will be...
« on: November 29, 2013, 04:09:32 AM »
Plus, for those who are not gearhounds, the less precise AF of the 6D is not really a big deal as it was used in the 5D & 5D2.

... the difference to back then simply is that there is now fierce ff competition, unlike 5d1/5d2 times, so no matter how the af system rates in *absolute* terms it is so mediocre it *could* get a little refresh w/o endangering the 5d3.

A d600->d610-like 6d update with a full-cross center point and dual_pixel af would still stay way below the 5d3, but as a 6d owner I admit I don't want my investment protected a bit and don't want to see Canon go the Nikon way.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Two New Full Frame Cameras in 2014? [CR1]
« on: November 28, 2013, 03:16:40 PM »
If two new full frame cameras are on the horizon and one is an EOS-1DXs type of body, what could the other one be? I’m willing to wager the EOS 6D won’t be replaced before the EOS 5D Mark III or EOS-1D X.

I'd bet on the same side - what do you think?

POLL: 6D2 or 5D4 in 2014?: http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=18330.0

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EOS Bodies / POLL: The 2nd ff camera in 2014 will be...
« on: November 28, 2013, 03:16:09 PM »
What do you think - will the 6d be updated with a above-mediocre af system and dual pixel af for the masses, or will the 5d3 at last get a real sensor upgrade above the good ol' 5d2 and become the even more expensive 5d4?

Edit: I changed the poll question to make it's clear "ff in 2014" might as well be just an announcement, and actual 2014 releases might be "just" lenses. Still, the question is which ff updates comes first as this might matter to potential buyers of the current models.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II in 2014 [CR2]
« on: November 28, 2013, 11:47:20 AM »
No, the pixel density on the 6D is lower than the 5Dmk3.

Thanks to you & jrista for the interesting posts! And you're correct, I looked it up - both sensors have the same physical size, and with the the same pixel size (6.25 micron) obviously the pixel density has to be different and the sensors cannot be from the same production line.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Just Touching the Surface of Dual Pixel Technology? [CR1]
« on: November 28, 2013, 11:35:10 AM »
Since you ascribe the same benefit to the 70D, I assume you're not referring to something like using a higher ISO.  Can you explain?
Its about the sync speed, the 5D3 is noticable behind there.
I wouldn't have thought 1/3 of a stop would make that much of a difference...

It can, at least when shooting macro with the 100L on 60d - 1/250s is *just* enough to motion-stop something that moves a bit, unfortunately with some ambient light you end up in too high iso regions to get good results.

With the 6d, the 1/180s max. x-sync is too slow so I'm mostly ending up shooting with hss when using macro. You would thing 1/250s for 100mm*1.6x (crop) would be about the same as 1/180s for 100mm*1.0x (ff), but my recent experience is that it isn't.

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EOS Bodies - For Video / Re: 6D can't be this bad can it?
« on: November 28, 2013, 11:29:58 AM »
€1500 unfortunately doesn't buy you an "all around good" camera from Canon.
€1500 unfortunately doesn't buy you an "all around good" FF camera from Canon.

No crop camera can be "all around good" :-> since you're photon noise limited which - of course depending on the final print/view size - excludes a lot of situations. Unfortunately to cover it all it's either a 5d3 or a 6d+crop.

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EOS Bodies - For Video / Re: 6D can't be this bad can it?
« on: November 28, 2013, 05:55:48 AM »
I'd like to get a 6D until I save up and can easily afford the Mark III, and can easily replace it if the worst happens (lost/stolen/etc) but all I hear about is how bad the video is. I've watched tons of videos and I can't really judge how bad it is.

Best way is to order or rent the 6d and try for yourself, it really depends on what you shoot, try it at some potentially critical scenes and then decide if it's "good enough" - every other opinion will be as subjective as yours.

The real advantage of the 5d3 is raw video with Magic Lantern though as this is the one feature that exonerates the Canon dslrs from being outclassed by the new competition - the 6d sd slot only max 40mb/s which is only good for 720p, with the big brother you can shoot 1080p at any res and fps.

As for "it can't be as bad": Yes, it potentially can, same goes for af, Canon (mis-)designed the 6d with a clear target audience in mind and is eager to protect their more expensive lineup - €1500 unfortunately doesn't buy you an "all around good" camera from Canon.

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EOS Bodies / Re: L Lenses for crop bodies
« on: November 28, 2013, 05:48:52 AM »
For example a good comparision is the 100mm 2.8 and the 100mm 2.8 L IS. On the optical formular, both are nearly identical and there is no need to upgrade to the "L"-Lense if you just need a Macro.

The non-L has more CA wide open and the L is a tad sharper - but as you pointed out nothing to write home about and it's rather unlikely to get this with macro, it's matters more for dual use which is also the reason the L has the focus limiter switch.

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=107&Camera=736&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=674&Sample=0&CameraComp=736&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II in 2014 [CR2]
« on: November 28, 2013, 05:41:20 AM »
Now there are certainly other factors (like the wasted silicon near the edges of the wafer), but there are ways of dealing with that, too (like printing DIGIC chips and other custom parts in that space).

... or decreasing the sensor resolution from 22mp to 20mp like 5d3->6d, I guess next to marketing that's the reason they did this no matter how bad the video moire is because it lets you get more yield from the current production setup.

The other possibility that the 20mp sensor in the 6D is actually 22mp, but they cut it a bit to still use sensors with flaws at one or two sides... I'm just guessing of course as this would be trade secrets.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II in 2014 [CR2]
« on: November 27, 2013, 02:29:48 PM »
It has face recognition and tracking..... I wish my 60D could track birds that well.....  I will probably have to wait for mirrorless technology to emerge before DSLR's can do that.....

Nonono, you're getting this the wrong way: Your 60d is not *supposed* to track that well, that's what the more expensive models are for! Canon of course could have added some fw features at zero cost, not to speak that a better af model probably isn't an economic impossibility either for the former 60d price.

Meaning: even with mirrorless each camera segment (p&s, amateur/semipro-crop, enthusiast/pro-ff) will be stratified so that the cheaper models will lack some vital features, that's just the way it works.

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EOS Bodies / Re: L Lenses for crop bodies
« on: November 27, 2013, 05:18:32 AM »
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Define me anything about an L lens other than a red ring
Build quality.

In addition to that, my personal definition would include that L lenses have good iq wide open on ff - maybe not from edge to edge on (ultra) wide angle, but good enough not to worry about stopping down all the time like with budget lenses.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Just Touching the Surface of Dual Pixel Technology? [CR1]
« on: November 26, 2013, 02:58:43 AM »
Otherwise just another features for video guys.
And for still life/high res guys. Landscape, fashion, and so on.

How so? Not to shamelessly promote Magic Lantern (again :-)), but focus peaking in live view is terrific for manual focus, and personally I really wouldn't know what I'd want dual pixel af in stills for as I nearly never use contrast af. Great feature if you get it for free with the latest gen cameras, but nothing to write home about unless it's in a mirrorless body.

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Canon General / Re: TEN YEARS FROM NOW.
« on: November 25, 2013, 08:34:04 PM »
1. DSLR's will be used only by top end sports/wild life shooters.

I don't quite get this - because phase af is supposed to be better than sensor af even a decade from now? If not, mirrorless is ideal for fps junkies, you need space-age tech to get 12-14fps on the 1dx, but any mirrorless could deliver as many frames as your buffer can hold and card can write.

4. Canon cameras will have 4 stops better ISO.

Maybe, if they sacrifice 2 stop of dynamic range :-p

5. There will be lenses with 6 stop IS.

Absolutely, if the marketing guys go crazy there will be a 8 stop IS because no one ever defined what an x stop IS is supposed to be - is it for 100% equivalence @100% crop? If so, with higher mp the real IS rating of lenses will go *down* rather than up. But I agree there might be more clever handheld detection coming up improving IS in general.

8. The fast version Canon camera will shoot 18 fps.

See above, the fastest Canon (mirrorless) will shoot 180fps.

9. DR will be around 16 stops.

But only on low iso - maybe Canon will get closer to Nikon again, and you're already getting 14ev now (and 14.5ev with Magic Lantern :-)).

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EOS Bodies / Re: L Lenses for crop bodies
« on: November 25, 2013, 08:25:14 PM »
for a 300mm eq i use the sigma 120-300 zoom

You can't, it doesn't reach 300mm :-p and the missing focal length at the wide end also multiplies with the crop factor.

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EOS Bodies / Re: L Lenses for crop bodies
« on: November 25, 2013, 06:21:48 PM »
it possible that an image taken with a sharper faster but shorter lens on a crop body could be similar to one taken with a longer not quite as sharp of fast lens on a ff body?

Sure it's *possible*, but as you're referring to the real world rather unlikely because you'd have to screw a fast killer prime lens on the crop camera, say a 200L or 135L, and compare it to something crappy like a 70-300 non-L on ff.

But anyone who can afford a ff would use a better lens; the other way around is more likely if you're saving $$$ on the body to put it into a lens or use a crop as a backup camera but you're still paying and carrying glass your crop camera doesn't use.

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