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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 6D compensating in manual mode
« on: December 16, 2013, 11:46:44 AM »
What am I missing here?

Very strange, I really couldn't imagine, this is Av/Tv and definitely isn't what M does unless you run Magic Lantern and use the "Expo Lock" feature :-o

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: The Unthinkable: Swapped out 5D3 for 6D
« on: December 16, 2013, 11:42:49 AM »
24-70II was having a hard time capturing focus at all but was decent when it finally hit.

That's certainly as disappointment and suggests that this lens is wasted on the 6d as only the 1dx/5d3 can use the new lens af system (lensrentals tested it with this result)... a Tamron with a mediocre af should be a better and less expensive match for the equally mediocre 6d af.

I am definitely getting more misses and need to be much more mindful of the AF.

This would sum up the difference in one sentence, but I do understand everyone "downgrading" or going for the 6d as I did because I'd also feel that the 5d3 is wasted if it either lies on a shelf for most of the week or the superior af capability isn't used in a good portion of the shots.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: How can it be?
« on: December 15, 2013, 06:35:14 PM »
It took me 3 tries to get a 6D that exposed properly!

What was wrong with your 6d - was the exposure completely broken, or were the problems more subtle?

If you can't get decent pictures out of a 6D then there is some serious wrong with you as a photographer!!

+1, and I'd even expand on that: you can't get decent pictures out of any *Rebel* then there is something seriously wrong with you as a photographer.

Pricewatch Deals / Re: Deal: Canon EOS 6D Body $1499
« on: December 15, 2013, 11:05:20 AM »
Hmmm ... must not be selling well.

... or be so cheap to produce (many old 5d2 parts) that it's still making a profit and at the same time underbids Nikon's price.

EOS Bodies / Re: Thinking Out Loud: EOS 7D Mark II Thoughts
« on: December 15, 2013, 11:02:35 AM »
I believe, there is a market for such a camera and I also believe that the canon people aren't that blind an stu**d to not see that market.

Usually, I'm the first one to bash canon for being conservative, but I do think they have a very good idea of the market at least as *profit* goes - they won't release a "flashship" aps-c camera just to excel in specs but that isn't sold in sufficient numbers. Also the r&d for a supposedly 7d2 mirrored design is a dead end as the future goes.

That's where the 70d comes it: it has a "dumbed down" af system and might be inferior to a rumored 7d2, but it is close enough to the 7d1 so that it's sufficient in *absulute* specs to work as a wildlife "machine-gun" camera type. Once the 7d2 or whatever-its-called comes in at $2000+ manyy people will give the 70d a second look and consider a better lens instead.

Yes, it's SuperCarl, strange visitor from Canon HQ, who came to Earth with powers and abilities far beyond those of mortal cameras.

I get at least 6 out of 10 shots in razor sharp focus

If I ever get in the need for a superhero to rescue me from the evil SONY with his/her proton laser beam, I'd positively insist that his/her definition of "works quite well" for it is better than "6 out of 10" - it seems our hero has come near the very rare NIKONium element which renders this superpower useless :->

Don't presume to call me a liar here, or that I'm misleading people.  Because I'm not.  It's not your job to be calling me out, either...you're not the 6D police, the Canon police, or my police.

Ok, I'm quitting here, I know others did before in discussions with you - you're simply not reading what I wrote (I didn't call you a liar, I did say you're contradicting yourself or are at least so imprecise that there's no telling the difference).

Not contradicting myself, it works in single point mode, as I keep saying over and over.

I'm not around here to get into arguments, and you're correct, it is not my "job" to call you out, though I felt urged to correct some points when you clearly don't even know how the 6d af system works, so your comments on when and if "it works" can only be seen in light of this: http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php/topic,18417.msg347357.html#msg347357

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: The Unthinkable: Swapped out 5D3 for 6D
« on: December 15, 2013, 04:55:42 AM »
You're right then, I don't see why the center point isn't a "full cross point" at f/2.8.  I thought it was.

Bin-go! The 6d af is about the same as 5d2 with some of the "invisible" points converted to selectable points and some other points dropped. Both cameras do. not. have. a. full. center. cross. point... it's just an overlay line @f2.8, and when this fails to lock it falls back to the cross point at only f5.6 precision, meaning you will get micro-misses with a fast lens.

Unfortunately, the strange 5d2/6d af idea is *not* a double cross (cross f2.8, 45-degree cross overlay f5.6) as just about on every other camera, Rebels to 5d3. If the 6d *would* have just *one* double cross, I'd be completely sold and never complain again ... but with a f2.8 lens you realize there is an actual problem.

The 6D can work quite well for wildlife in motion.
Nobody said it's a great AF sensor...it kind of sucks.

Sorry CarlTN, I don't see the sense of discussing with someone who manages to contradict himself inside a few posts ... That's what another member of CR recently labeled as "unreasonable" if I recall correctly, in this intensity it sounds a bit like a "5d3 inferiority complex" :-p

It's not black and white ("sucks", "work quite well"), but the 6d is somewhere in the middle with a tendency to one side depending on the shooting conditions. It's fine if you want to have less bulk and save €1200, but you simply have to expect less keepers with af on a fast lens or object movement, and you cannot really compensate for this with technique. But really, it's great you're so happy with your 6d, nothing wrong with that unless another potential 6d/5d3 buyer happens to take your word for it.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: The Unthinkable: Swapped out 5D3 for 6D
« on: December 15, 2013, 04:36:11 AM »
Certainly specific lenses can have issues with the 6D, no doubt about that.  I just received my new 70-300L, and it seems to autofocus slower than my good old 70-200 f/4 (non IS).

No, it's not me, it's the camera not having a full cross point @f2.8 which produces micro-misses on low-contrast targets if the camera has to fall back of the f5.6 cross lines.

But if you talk about the 70-300L/4-5.6 or 70-200L/4 you don't seem to know or recognize at all what I'm talking about, I've also got the 70-300L and of course it works fine on the 6d as it's using the center point as cross... I also cannot say I find it slow on the 6D as others have reported, but I admit I didn't do any real tests on this.

EOS Bodies / Re: Thinking Out Loud: EOS 7D Mark II Thoughts
« on: December 15, 2013, 04:31:59 AM »
it could be a,D17 or a D77....smiles...

They could also stop using cryptic number names at all, like when software manufacturers did the seemingly impossible some years ago and dropped version numbers ("Office 15"), adapting yars ("Office 2013") that have an actual meaning. How about Canon "wildlife fantastic" :-> ?

In all other cases, 6d & wildlife is a hit and miss game, you will of course get *some* good shots and can proudly post them as "6d wildlife", but you'll lose a lot because the af doesn't lock on.
The AF does lock on especially in bright light, with center point only.  Just because it won't lock on and get 9 out of 10 shots in razor sharp focus in servo mode, with all points active, is no reason to say it can't lock on at all. ... You're saying in bright light it can't ever lock on regardless if it's with center point only, or with all points, and that's definitely false.

I didn't write "at all", there's little reason discussing if you don't read the other party's posts.

With center point, trust me it locks on.

Last not least, please note that the 6d af indeed never "locks on" at all unlike more capable af systems - the 6d doesn't do any af handover, it doesn't recognize object or patterns, it just happens to af what is on the selected af points (or not) and then does a bit of extrapolation considering the object's movement direction.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: The Unthinkable: Swapped out 5D3 for 6D
« on: December 15, 2013, 04:22:47 AM »
In single shot mode, no misses with center point, and few with all points active.

Well, I admit it, you're a photo wiz because from what I read generations of 5d2 shooters had the same problem I'm experiencing ... note that I'm talking about micro-misses with a f2.8 lens here like on the eyes, not about "well, this looks fine" zoomed out on the camera display.

Are you shooting portaits in servo mode?

Hey, that's certainly a novel idea, I should try it some time :->

I live in the north where it's regularly 20 degrees (-7 celsius) this time of year, and I'm regularly moving my gear from outside to inside.

Is it really necessary to take special precautions with this temperature difference?

I'm living "semi-north" :-o but usually it's some months well below zero, even up to regular -10 celsius... and I admit that when going back into 20 celsius inside I just remove my sd card and then put my camera inside the bag, it's usually additionally wrapped with towels because I'm transporting it by bike. This lets the camera warm up slowly in the next hours... is this method careless?

The humidity inside my flat is "normal" I guess unless I happen to take a shower or cook :-) ... but much much lower than for example when going from outside to a tropical expo in the zoo, *that's* when I use a plastic bag.

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