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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Nikon D600

« on: May 25, 2012, 06:06:49 AM »

Are you say ef is not a sound decision? EF lens on a crop are very good - better than on a ff in most cases

I didn't put this as precise as I should - I was talking of the whole eos system with the ef mount (bodies, lenses, flashes etc etc and 3rd party equipment that only works along with this system). Basically the reason why there only is limited competition between manufacturers, unlike say the pc where you can plug in any gfx card you want.

And being a "system", I think is important to provide every customer in every stage of photographic experience with a longer-term, somewhat competitive, adequate "off the shelf" offer w/o forcing him/her to sell equipment (ef-s anyone?). And this is where Canon is temporarily lacking, it's not just Nikon trolls, but there is/will be a gap between consumer aps-c and 5d3+24-70ii that is too wide for some. The fact that many ef lenses shine on aps-c doesn't fix that.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Nikon D600

« on: May 25, 2012, 05:35:00 AM »

Perhaps Canon have learn't their lesson from the 1DX - anounce just before you start delivering.

From a marketing viewpoint, Canon was well-advised to announce the 1dx along the d4 - I don't think they expected the last delay. And pre-announcing a product is not something bad unless it's vaporware.

Every Canon user will be happy to wait 6 month or maybe even a year for a product they wish for, the point where Canon currently screws up is to give their enthusiast customer base the feeling that their investment in the Canon ef is still a sound decision.

And unlike the pc market where enthusiasts have only a small share, there are many dlsr amateurs around who will happily thousands of hard-earned $$$ for features or iq they might not really "need". But they don't want to be ripped off and/or put themselves in a technological dead end.

Since I shoot Canon since my first eos 600, I do hope this feeling will pass quickly, though since I am/was about to get some lenses for money I don't have just "lying around" the current situation makes me think, and I guess it's ok to discuss these feelings with fellow Canon users.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Nikon D600

« on: May 25, 2012, 05:00:42 AM »

Another person that cannot bear to type in www.nikonrumors.com

But to be fair, at least nikonrumors has a ff rumor :-o ... in contrast to Canon, where people still wonder if Canon will fill the void up to $3500 only with aps-c bodies or come up with a 5d2 successor at all.

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Macro / Re: I don't normally do a lot of macro....

« on: May 25, 2012, 04:57:38 AM »

Used the 180 macro almost exclusively around Rydal

I like the first one because of the bokeh background. However, your last two shots show what I'm experiencing with my 60d (!) too and why the 5d3 at low iso has been criticized: The noise/dr at low iso is not very good, and if you raise shadows too much you're getting distracting pattern noise in the background. If the flower isn't moving and you're using a tripod, you'd better use hdr (exposure fusion) on this.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Canon are you listening...?? NIKON D600

« on: May 25, 2012, 04:49:57 AM »

so, you are saying the D600 with those specs at under $1500 is NOT worth, but the Canon 5D MKIII at more than double the price, $3500 is worth it?

The "worth it" discussion is pointless, because worth doesn't only concern if the camera fits one's requirements, but also simply how the financial background is. However, I recently asked myself if Canon didn't mess up the other way around: The could have sold the 5d3 at $4000 and most people would have still bought it!

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EOS Bodies / Re: 7D full frame

« on: May 24, 2012, 08:32:46 PM »

Canon already released a full-frame 7D. It's called the 5D Mark III.

No, it's called 1dx if you want to leave the price tag out of the equation since it's got 18mp and fast fps like the 7d. Or, if you really see the 5d3 as the 7d successor, Canon is even beyond their "double the price" policy this time.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Canon are you listening...?? NIKON D600

« on: May 24, 2012, 08:28:17 PM »

I wish there is a easy way to sell all my Canon stuff and switch to Nikon.  I know that's most likely not going to happen. So disappointed with Canon.

The specs are only rumors, but even if only half of it is true Canon has to do something.

However, it's important to differentiate between things Canon can and cannot do. They cannot compete with Sony's sensor tech. However, they can release a ff body at $2000 that is actually usable and has a better af than the 5d2. I'd wish you'd start selling your gear and let Canon know about it, because that's the only way to make them listen. Let's see how much the 440rt flash will cost. $200 like the 430ex2 or $400?

Go for it... no ones holding you back

Of course this is the message of the day in a Canon enthusiast forum, if people aren't prepared to pay $3500 for an up-to date camera body, it's their own fault. But seriously, if there aren't any hidden drawbacks and the price would be indeed around $1500, Canon is toast in the mid-range segment, and rightly so.

The 5d2 with its af isn't comparable, though it runs magic lantern which is the reason I got a Canon dslr in the first place. I'm holding back any further Canon purchases until the very moment I really need them to see what Canon does next.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 7D full frame

« on: May 24, 2012, 07:53:12 PM »

about 6 hours ago i´ve got a newsletter in my android app news+weather

Looking at the reliability of internet weather forecasts, that should tell you something :-p ...

... but what you read is the speculated scenario "70d moves up again and entry-full frame 6d replaces 7d". But Canon may very well find a customer base for both an aps-c and ff body @1500$-2000$.

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Lenses / Re: A myth of growing from APS-C to Fullframe or Dealing with anachronisms

« on: May 24, 2012, 07:21:35 PM »

I can use my 7D with 70-300mmL for hours walking, etc, but a bigger camera and lens combination (eg 1D with 100-400mmL) is much more tiring. 

Me too with my 60d & 70-300L, it's a very good "day out" combination!

however, good photographers can get awesome images from even entry level DSLRs, as they understand about light, composition, technique and post processing.

However, if shooting outdoors you cannot control the light. And with the 18mp sensor and tele range, I'm at iso800 or even iso1600 in no time raising noise and reducing dynamic range. And it's always very frustrating to have to throw away pictures because I just cannot raise shadows (e.g. when shooting a white bird in front of dark green trees) because of pattern noise in the background. And I know how to expose correctly and use Lightroom, that's why I'd wish for an upgraded sensor.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Nikon D600

« on: May 24, 2012, 07:10:44 PM »

Seems I was right when Canon announced the 5D3 and said that the 5D2 would drop in price to be their "entry level" dslr (that's still 2nd-most expensive currently-available camera they make).

Canon never designated the 5d2 as an entry-ff body, did they? They just produce it along until 5d3 early adopters have paid the $3500 price and the 5d3 drops. And maybe until they see what Nikon does (d600) and can react accordingly, preventing another 5d3 marketing disaster.

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Lenses / Re: A myth of growing from APS-C to Fullframe or Dealing with anachronisms

« on: May 24, 2012, 07:01:06 PM »

I have large hands and I struggle with 'small' cameras such as the 5DII and the 7D

In the good ol' times, I had a exchangeable "large grip" on my legacy eos rt & 620 that was perfect. Basically, it was just a larger piece of plastic. But I guess Canon figured out that it doesn't make sense to design bodies that take different 30$ grips, if you can make them pay 3000$ to get a larger body they maybe wouldn't have needed in the first place :-o

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EOS Bodies / Re: 5D Mk III vs D800/E, is the 5D3 better at anything?

« on: May 24, 2012, 05:56:15 PM »

But in my experience, by underexposing by one stop, you are increasing shadow noise.

Of course you are, and it's the same with htp.

Also, the EXIF states ISO 200 (or at least it did on my old 40D), regardless of whether or not it's underexposing.

Like a couple of people explained: The iso number is wrong, actually the picture is shot @ 1/2 iso you're seeing.

Personally, I'd rather shoot in RAW at the optimum ISO for the circumstances, so that I can control how much exposure I want (not the camera) and so that I can push the highlights as far as possible without losing detail to maximise DR.

htp applies to raw since a tone curve is applied in the converter. But htp does *nothing* to the dr potential of the sensor, you cannot increase it, you can just fully use it (= histogram filled and raw recovery) or distribute the data differently (expose to the right for shadow detail, to the left for highlight recovery aka htp).

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 70D & EOS 7D Mark II Speculation [CR1]

« on: May 24, 2012, 03:52:07 PM »

I dont think the 5DIII has many pro features - it is just a very good all round camera that delivers very good IQ. It may be used for professional purposes but it just doesn't excel at anything. I 'new cutdown 5DII' would bomb due to the relatively poor AF - perhaps if the AF was limited to the 7D level AF it  would cut it as an updated 5DII.

Exactly what I was thinking - there's not that much to cut from the 5d3 (let alone "pro" features)  since tech has moved on since the release of the 5d2. It'll be interesting to see how Canon will fill the 5d2 gap and compete with Nikon's good aps-c bodies at the same time.

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Lenses / Re: A myth of growing from APS-C to Fullframe or Dealing with anachronisms

« on: May 24, 2012, 03:48:54 PM »

We'll have to see about that when Canon replaces the 17-55 and 10-22 with newer versions.  Which EF-S lenses would benefit from weather sealing?  Maybe the 17-55 and 10-22 and that's probably it and that's because they already command such a high price to start with anyway.

I'd like to have a sealed 15-85 and 10-22 if staying on aps-c. But I don't see a replacement in the near future, actually I don't see it at all - these lenses perform well, have up to date IS and are imho are positioned exactly where Canon wants them to be - as a stepping-stone between kit end L lenses.

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EOS Bodies / Re: T4i or 60D?

« on: May 24, 2012, 11:36:34 AM »

ML seems to do a lot, why not AFMA?

I don't know if they have tried to implement it (feel free to request it!), but since it's one of the features Canon has reserved to distinguish their lineup, it might be very well possible that Canon removed every possibility to back-hack it. Thanks, Canon!