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Canon General / Re: Canon Testing a 75+ Megapixel EOS-1 Body? [CR1]
« on: July 22, 2013, 10:22:01 AM »
Maybe it escaped your notice - there are two 1D named products right now: the 1D X and the 1D C.

Some people would argue that these two camera models are essentially the same product with an added heatsink and modified fw :-p

Canon General / Re: Canon Testing a 75+ Megapixel EOS-1 Body? [CR1]
« on: July 22, 2013, 09:43:12 AM »
Canon would probably like it but they cannot expect all people to buy two camera bodies, one high-res, one high-fps.
Why not?

Because Nikon might try integrate their high-fps and high-mp lines, bless them :-)

Canon General / Re: Canon Testing a 75+ Megapixel EOS-1 Body? [CR1]
« on: July 22, 2013, 09:28:40 AM »
With dual Digic 6+, it might even hit 3 fps...   ;)

Don't you think Canon is able to add crop or s-raw modes that reduce the data rate before the bottlenecks?

With the (imho) inevitable trend towards higher resolution there has to be some basic/new research done in this direction ... Canon would probably like it but they cannot expect all people to buy two camera bodies, one high-res, one high-fps. You could counter this trend by introducing faster cpu cores and interfaces, but the question is if the current embedded tech is developing fast enough.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II in 2014 [CR2]
« on: July 20, 2013, 05:03:56 PM »
If the 7D II comes out with something like 24mp APS-C that improves ISO 100 noise, maybe uses a BSI design *with* split pixels like the 20.2mp sensor, and still offers everything else (10fps, 61pt AF, same durable body design and weather sealing of the 5D III), etc. Then I think it will clock in over $2000, maybe even $2500.

+1, my money (not that I have it) is also on a new sensor, a late release date and a $2500 price remembering of the interview I mentioned above.

You'll find I'm correct about a lot of things

My, someone's take a lot of self confidence pills this morning :-> ... or do you have any professional/nda insight into Canon internals?

and don't compare 1.6x crop cameras to full frame.  The 6D's price on new units has fallen about as far as it ever will until its replacement is announced.

Big -1 ... it's dropping €25 every week and now reached nearly €1600, that's coming from €2100 at the start of the year when the 6d was just out. I'd wager the guess it will continue dropping like this to at least €1400 and Canon will still make a healthy profit looking at the build quality & components of the 6d.

Used units still holding up well, as I have stated a few times.

Same with 5d2, and that's discontinued - to me it seems L lenses and ff cameras simply have a high resale value, no matter what the current market position of new units is.

EOS Bodies / Re: Comparing AF-tracking 7D, 60D and 70D
« on: July 20, 2013, 12:41:57 PM »
I've owned both the 60d and the 7d.  The 60d tracking capability should be called tracking inability... It doesn't touch the 7d.

Absolutely, I'd even say my/the 60d doesn't do "tracking" at all (nr do any of the 9pt af models) - they simply have "servo af" which does come handy if you want to do some snaps of a moving object and want the camera do do some linear prediction. But you cannot customize anything. the af doesn't lock on an object, it's really a legacy system and completely outdated by today's dlsr standard.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II in 2014 [CR2]
« on: July 20, 2013, 12:20:04 PM »
I have a feeling the new 7d Mk II won't come in too much different than the original 7D body

I'll do a price guess poll once the specs are out as a [CR3] or from Canon :-) ... but remember the $3500 5d3 which also is an "above mainstream" model, everybody was surprised to shocked then. And since you can save thousands of $$$ (and weight/bulk) by not buying 600mm lenses with a crop body, Canon might want to take a premium for the "top of the line" birding and semi-pro sports model.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II in 2014 [CR2]
« on: July 20, 2013, 11:30:20 AM »
Well, I have an overall good feeling about the 7D Mk II.  I think they know they set the bar high when the original came out and given the popularity of the camera, my guess is that the Mk II won't be anything to sneeze at...   That being said, who knows!

Some Canon big shot also said so in a recent interview, they know after all the sensor and feature recycling (sans adding some gimmicks) it's time for them to have a showcase model again that shines without compromise... let's hope the 7d2 won't be so expensive that you could buy a used aps-h 1d4 for it, which afaik also isn't something to sneeze at :-p

Lenses / Re: Sleeper Lenses?
« on: July 20, 2013, 08:56:30 AM »
Canon 17-40/L, when used as an UWA on FF gear, not as a standard lens on crop.
Why do you say this? I use the 17-40 as a standard lens on crop and it performs very well for the most part IMO, as I understand it it's biggest weakness is used at the wide end without stopping down on FF. Using it on crop negates most of this issue.
The 17-40 is Canon's best full frame WA zoom.

I'm using a 17-40L on crop as a standard zoom because I plan (for CR regulars yes, really :-p) to upgrade to ff sometime and most of all the L is sturdy and sealed which makes a great difference because I regularly shoot in snow and dusty/dirty outdoor conditions. Just be sure to replace the lens hood with a 83J...

... however @f4 the 17-40L is clearly lacking in sharpness and except for the above reasons I really wouldn't recommend it on crop, even though it has a very good price nowadays esp. with Canon cashback rebates.

Lenses / Re: What's your oldest Canon EF lens?
« on: July 20, 2013, 08:38:53 AM »
I'll kick off with my Canon 28-70 f3.5-4.5 II  :)

I have to admit you beat me, but considering longevity I've been shooting with my 1992 28-105 mk1 (replaced the 35-135 which was too narrow) up until a couple of months ago :-) ... and it held up great, a bit soft @f3.5 but surprisingly ok @f8 on crop for walkaround shots.

Unfortunately I cannot say this for the even a bit older 100-300 4.5-5.6: the good ol' Canon usm doesn't help if the lens is so soft @300mm that cropping @100mm has better iq :-\ ... so it's now a nice paperweight, this is really a model from the analog days where you couldn't crop the picture with the click of a button.

Wow that makes soooo much more sense now. I don't know why it was so hard for me to grasp that DOF is a subjective quality of a photo, which is highly dependent upon the human eye.

Welcome to the club :-> ... my guess is that often we talk about "hard" nerd/tech stuff which is a nice distraction and sometimes very helpful if you need specific advice. But over all that, the elephant in the room gets overlooked, meaning that so much about photography is "soft", subjective and relative. The only time this regularly surfaces is if someone is cornered in an argument and states something beyond the original point like "Well, but a good photog can shoot great images with a 10d and tech details don't matter anyway."

Lenses / Re: New Wide Angles Lenses in 2013 [CR2]
« on: July 20, 2013, 12:41:21 AM »
IS is so much better than f/2.8 for landscape stuff, f/2.8 isn't much DOF. f/4.5-5.6 and IS does soooo much more.

When I started shooting macro, I had to realize how many things in the natural world actually move a tiny bit, I never realized until I tried longer exposure times. Often the same applies to landscape, IS doesn't freeze leaves from jiggling or water from waving. In this case, neither shallow dof *or* IS will help, what's really required is a high iso high dr camera which Canon doesn't have yet.

I think the 6D has been a good seller, and have not seen any stats that say otherwise.

Canon's interest in volume is secondary, as every company they're after profits. So the question is how far the 6d price drops after other enthusiast cameras with much better af are released (70d, 7d2) that also have good iq for most of us. If the profit margin becomes too small, they'll release a 6d2. They won't do it just for sticking a "new" badge on the 6d2 like the quick succession of Rebels though.

As for the 150k shutter cycles...I thought it was only 100k.  Also thought 100k rating was average, and the only body that's rated for more than 150k is the 1Dx, is it not?  Pretty sure the 5D3 is not rated for more than 150k.  In any case, that's still a lot of cycles.

Uhg, you're correct, the 6d has only a 100k rating, just like my 60d and the Nikon d600. I had 150k (like 5d3) in mind since I see the 6d as the "real" 5d2 successor which also has 150k... the 1d series have 200k or even 300k.

Indeed, I wonder how long it takes for yonguo to hack the RT system, not that I'm entirely sure it can be done though. I'm going to assume canon has built in lots of checks to prevent hacking it.

I'm also keen to see how long it takes to reverse engineer the rt protocol. Of course it theoretically *could* be prevented by Canon by using strong asymmetric cryptography (i.e. you cannot replay the communication, and each flash has a different key signed by Canon's secret master key).

Still, I wonder if Canon would really go to such lengths to screw 3rd party manufacturers - after all, cheaper 3rd party units (lenses, flashes) are also a strength of the Canon system vs. for example Pentax.

And I'm sorry that this basically excludes all non-mkiii owners, but ya'll haven't drank the Kool-aid yet.

Imho everybody who though about getting a 5d3 and then, considered the price, opted to skip it or go for a 6d/5d2 can have some valid opinion on this? So for me spending €3000+ on a 5d4 I'd like to have:

* red af servo indicator like they managed on the 1dx, but obviously weren't able to to on the 5d3
* spot metering linked to af point - yes, "1d feature", but should be very helpful for high contrast tracking
* rgb metering like Nikon & Canon 1d
* built-in rt controller (saving €300 st-e3 price & bulk)
* higher dynamic range at all iso, iso/res could stay as it is as far as I'm concerned

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