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Pricewatch Deals / Re: Canon EOS-1D C Available for Preorder from B&H Photo
« on: December 01, 2012, 03:42:15 AM »
The price is $11,999 and is expected to be available on December 26, 2012.

I just pre-ordered two ... not. I'm really wondering who would buy such a camera if even neuroanatomist isn't interested - has Canon found a market gap where it fits in as a "cheaper" option in comparison to even more expensive pro equipment, or is this even more "dead on arrival" as other recent Canon innovations?

Lenses / Re: Canon 70-300L IS + Kenko 1.4x Teleconverter
« on: December 01, 2012, 03:09:59 AM »
I am wondering if any one has any experience with the Canon 70-300L IS combined with the Kenko 1.4x Teleconverter.

The most important thing is: The combination is visibly better than cropping, so it's a good purchase since the Kenko is rather inexpensive and you can use it with *all* lenses (well, except the 100L on the 5d3 where where seems to be a bug).

As for iq, I'd say the 70-300L is not "stellar", but "very good", and with the tc it's still "good". It is prone to hunting with low contrast / bad lighting with *single* point af and the af is less precise than native, but does much better with multi-point. So forget tracking or critical shots, but still very useful for some type of shots esp. of non-moving objects.

EOS Bodies / Re: More 6D sample images - with RAW files.
« on: December 01, 2012, 02:59:05 AM »
The cameras seem to be very close.  The 6D is perhaps a bit better, with less color noise.  If the difference can be measured, I think it would be much less than a full stop.

I installed CaptureOne myself, imported the 5d3/6d raw files I'd say after much more color noise reduction on the 5d3 the difference 5d3->6d is about 1/2 stop - which is more than nothing, given the fuzz that was made about the improvement 5d2->5d3. The real world difference might be that iso 12800 is more usable on the 6d.

EOS Bodies / Re: More 6D sample images - with RAW files.
« on: November 30, 2012, 06:21:21 PM »
Of course it has been noted this is a per-production camera, but I don't think  anything is likely to have changed.

Well, you never know ... maybe Canon marketing figured that the final 6d model shouldn't be better than the 5d3 and have "tweaked" the sensor a bit in the last stage :-p

EOS Bodies / Re: More 6D sample images - with RAW files.
« on: November 30, 2012, 05:43:08 PM »
You could also try downloading the latest version of DPP. Canon must have updated that?  I don't have it installed on this laptop.

I just checked, the Canon site hasn't dpp for the 6d yet, the latest version is for the 5d3. But probably Canon will be faster with 6d dpp support than Adobe for Camera Raw / Lightroom.

Opened with capture one 7.0.1 (preliminary support)

That's great, you get the award for the first 6d-5d3 comparison that makes sense :-) ! And as far as I can tell, the 6d actually does look *visibly* better than the 5d3, though I cannot tell how many stops and to be fair the 22mp of the 5d3 have to be downsized to 20mp. But maybe I'm wrong since there seems to be more color noise on the 5d3, but that's easier to remove.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 6D vs 5D MKII (Focusing?)
« on: November 30, 2012, 02:25:38 PM »
And the AF is not very fast. I tried the 5D3 next to it. it was much faster.

Oh my, there goes the neighborhood :-( ... if that's true then it's really a letdown, I had hoped at least with center point af it would be as fast as the 5d3 since they're both using the same digic5.

What you describe is really just an updated 5d2 with newer (i.e. cheaper for Canon) parts, newer firmware plus a $5 integrated wifi/gps chip.

Canon General / Re: Is canon going to come back?
« on: November 30, 2012, 02:18:49 PM »
Ever needed a Nikon body or lens serviced?  Hope you have a LOT of patience for their 'niceness'...

I never tried Nikon, but I have tried Canon non-CPS (which is what European with only one camera body get, no matter how much L glass and flashes). Repair time for a Canon lens in Berlin is ~10-14 days... it should be noted that Tamron/Sigma lenses get repaired faster...

EOS Bodies / Re: More 6D sample images - with RAW files.
« on: November 30, 2012, 01:43:51 PM »
it's written r├ęduction du bruit standard which means normal noise reduction

Thanks for the translation ... however, what Canon calls "normal" I'd call "extreme" as the nr kills all details and results in the infamous "wax look". It's a pity Lightroom 4.3RC is already out, and only with d600 support - I guess we'll have to wait until LR4.4 to get 6d support.

Canon General / Re: Is canon going to come back?
« on: November 30, 2012, 12:21:41 PM »
I want to stick with canon but if they are going to make their first competitive body in like 5 years i really have to consider switching....

Canon will come back when they want to, simple as that - Nikon's sensor advantage won't last forever, but the real issue lies in Canon's "different" marketing strategy.

The 5d3 is on par with the d800 on higher iso levels when the dynamic range advantage of the d800 melts away, so it's really a matter of preference - better af over more mp, esp. since the 5d3 price is dropping.

However, the 6d specs are much more annoying - Canon did this in full view of the Nikon competition, and there's no excuse they've got caught off guard like with the the d800. It's not only the af system, but comparing the specs to the d600 is a disgrace for the higher-priced Canon. That doesn't mean that the 6d will be a bad camera and that I wouldn't/won't buy it, but it's still very underwhelming. Canon will have to loose market share to get back on a consumer-friendly track.

EOS Bodies / Re: More 6D sample images - with RAW files.
« on: November 30, 2012, 12:09:17 PM »
The reviewer just used out of camera jpegs, because of the lack of compatible RAW software.

Thanks, but again the 6d shots seem to be so heavily nr'ed that it doesn't mean anything - the reviewer should have turned nr off on all cameras, then we could see any difference ... and to be fair we'd have to downsize the 5d3/d600 shots to 20mp to make a comparison.

EOS Bodies / Re: What will be the issue with the 6D
« on: November 30, 2012, 05:57:42 AM »
I have a feeling the 6D wont need any method to select a focus point other than center. focus/recompose is probably the name of the 6D game

That's why it's such a joke they added "orientation-selected af point" to the firmware :-o

But the outer af points might do, at least for non-critical shots which is (and supposedly was engineered to be) the difference to the "pro" 5d3. For handheld macro shots and the like with a thin dof where focus & recompose is no option multiple shots can be taken, just like with my 60d af which I also don't entirely trust.

Thanks, Canon! I bought the lens used for less than that.  :-\

I was stunned by the repair costs for a non-L 100mm macro lens, too and then upgraded to a 100L ... I guess Canon pricing expects you to be either ensured or buy new gear with warranty.

This is really a reason to think about buying $2000+ or even $1000+ lenses without insurance, something far too often thought about when amateurs are told to get a very good L lens that maxes out their budget. The alternative is to buy less stellar stuff and then just replace it when it's broken which gives some peace of mind, too.

EOS Bodies - For Video / Re: The First Canon EOS 6D Video Footage
« on: November 30, 2012, 02:11:21 AM »
Canon says, "BUY A 5DIII for video!"

Or: "Don't trust reviews based on pre-production models!" :-) ... still, with my well-known enthusiasm for Canon marketing :-p I wouldn't be surprised if the 6d has worse video than the 5d3, let's hope at least the aa filter for still shots is not as strong so images will be sharper.

EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 6D manual is ready to download
« on: November 29, 2012, 11:17:28 AM »
But I do not understand, why they reduce the number of the cross type sensors. What is the technical reason for it? There must be one.

Not at all, imho this is simply to protect the 5d3 - Canon isn't in the habit of internal cannibalization, look at what they did to the 60d to protect the 7d.

As for the af system: I didn't give up hope completely yet - it might still be a lot better as the 5d2 because not only the specs count, but the 6d might have a closed loop system that works better with newer lenses (like my 100L, 70-300L and maybe 24-70ii).

EOS Bodies / Re: What will be the issue with the 6D
« on: November 29, 2012, 11:13:42 AM »
My guess is that it may well be another camera that nobody is buying.

We could take bets ... my guess is that the 6d will be sold a lot because...

... a) the dust-collector d600 has problems, too (and much worse low-light af)

... b) the current 5d3 price is simply and subjectively too much money for a lot of people in comparison to a lens you can get for the difference (or do other meaningful things)

... c) If you want to shoot @iso1600+ with Canon ff is still the way to go, the 7d2 next year might very well trade in more mp for still more noise.

So if you don't want to us tracking a lot, don't need the advanced features and customization of the 5d3 I don't see much against it, well, except for the Canon-like price.

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