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I think it means Manufacturer's Minimum Advertised Price.

Thx for explaining :-)

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D Official Specs
« on: September 17, 2012, 04:02:45 PM »
They do.  They are the 1DX and 5D3... everything below those in the line will be "lesser cameras for a lower price".

The problem is that they cripple the "lesser cameras" so that they're not complete packages, but lack certain important features that force users who can cough up to money to "upgrade": no afma on the 60d (worse than 50d, solution 7d upgrade), no cross point af on the 6d @f2.8+ (worse than 5d2, solution 5d3 upgrade), let's see what's next.

do I want to buy it even knowing that I'm paying more than I should?

The next question is: If I am paying more than I should, am I prepared for the 6d to drop $500 in price in no time?

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D Official Specs
« on: September 17, 2012, 03:11:26 PM »
People balk at the features of the 6D and now the 5D Mark III doesn't look so bad.

High praise for the 5d3 indeed :-> ... but I fear you're correct, and the 5d3 price will stay just below $3000 for quite some time because Canon made sure the 6d is no "mini-5d3" but a high iq tourist camera.

Count in in with the people who will buy this as a backup one it drops below $1500US.

Some people might use it as a 2nd camera with a fast prime mounted and an exchangeable focus screen.

The 5D Mark III is MMAP priced...

Um, for the simple german people like me ... what is mmap? Does it apply in europe, too? Will it change anytime soon, whatever it is :-o ?

EOS Bodies - For Video / Re: Magic Lantern on the 5D Mark III
« on: September 17, 2012, 03:03:28 PM »
I'm a member of the ML site now and anxiously awaiting 2.4 so we can get all the features on mk3.  Any idea on timeframe?

I'd say at 2-3 month - feature porting is nowhere near complete, and beta testing will take some time. You can compile the latest trunk yourself though, just did it for my 60d, it's not that hard to do.

EOS Bodies / Re: 6D or 5D Mk II
« on: September 17, 2012, 03:02:05 PM »
i think whats missing from all the post above is the video capability of the 6D, looking at the spec, looks like its 5D3 territory?

No, video looks like 1dc or Nikon territory - uncompressed hdmi, 1080p/60fps ... let's hope Magic Lantern will be able to do something about that.

because tourists use MF often?  ;)

Well, actually that's not that improbable because many tourists carry a small travel tripod for shots like the Canon samples. So if they don't mf (... magic lantern with focus peaking, please) they have at least time to use live view and contrast af.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D Official Specs
« on: September 17, 2012, 02:56:37 PM »
It seems the 6D can be controlled by an Android or Iphone. That's pretty cool! People will make timelapps

... for timelapses just install magic lantern, done - should drain less battery than constant wifi control btw.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Canon Announces the Canon EOS 6D DSLR
« on: September 17, 2012, 02:53:54 PM »
The think I'm pissed about is how they didn't put GPS into my 5d3 (and 1dX).

They couldn't because else you'd be p* about them not making the 5d3/1dx full metal.

What potential 6d buyers should be p* reall about is Canon obviously not putting a rf flash controller for 600rt-type flashes into the 6d - would certainly have been possible since the top is only plastic to transmit wifi/gps!

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Canon Announces the Canon EOS 6D DSLR
« on: September 17, 2012, 09:59:47 AM »
Photography for me (and a lot of people including the main people the 6D and D600 are aimed at) is a HOBBY.

... and many hobbyists that aren't ready to jump ship to Nikon will be content with the 6d as a "high iq tourist landscape" body for lenses with f4+ and an af systems that trades in precision for low light sensitivity.

I'm sure Canon has done some market research, and while it is quite arrogant to set this against the d600 I'm sure a lot of people will still buy it for wifi & gps "out of the box" alone.

Canon has posted a bunch of images and videos made with the new Canon EOS 6D

The shots are taken with a 17-40/4 ... no wonder since Canon came up with an anti-5d3 af that trades in precision (*no* cross point @f2.8+ even in the center) for added low light sensitivity.

Imho the 6d is a "high iq landscape tourist camera body" - you don't carry around a f2.8 zoom anyway in this case, often shoot in dim light and have no need for a fast, precise or servo af. And with a fast prime you can mf and use an exchangeable screen that the 5d3 cannot use.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Canon Announces the Canon EOS 6D DSLR
« on: September 17, 2012, 09:47:37 AM »
It looks exactly like a 60D..the button arrangement is identical!
It's more like a FF 60D than a 5Dmk2 replacement.

Since I've got a 60d and am quite happy with it I'd buy the ff version this instant - but not for $2099 *and* a crippled af system @f2.8+, it's either $1099 or at least a full center (double)cross-sensor for me.

The wording might be an unlucky one. It might as well mean that the center point is a higher precision cross-type, and that there are more cross-types among the other 10 points.
I really don't think it is just unlucky wording. Several sources have already confirmed that it has only 1 cross type point, and many Canon related web forums are in flames a.t.m.

No, you're wrong: The 6d has *no* cross type point at all if you use a f2.8+ lens (if I understand the specs and diagrams correctly). Obviously that's how they managed to get that low-light sensitivity - but making it less precise!

Basically it's the anti-5d3 af for low-light landscape shooters with lenses of f4+ ... I find this ridiculous beyond belief, even I wouldn't have expected this downgrade in comparison to the 5d2 from Canon. It's the price for quiet shutter, ff sensor, gps and wifi to protect the 5d3.

Canon General / Re: Canon EOS 6D Preorders
« on: September 17, 2012, 09:39:04 AM »
nope.... really wanted to

me neither, so it's really 5d2 or 5d3 after all - Canon crippling the af system so there's *no* cross-type af point even in the center w/ a f2.8+ lens nails this to the amateur market, no wonder the sample shots on their product page were taken with a 14-70/4 lens and the kit lens is the 24-105/4.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D Official Specs
« on: September 17, 2012, 09:29:53 AM »
The concept image for the 6D AF is interesting. It's more wide-set than I anticipated.

The design shows they really managed to build the anti-5d3 af: no cross type sensor at f2.8+ ...

... this is ridiculous beyond belief, no way to give this a positive spin even if it's up to -3ev. I've shot for a long time with an analog eos620 with no cross-type sensor - the pattern detection simply isn't reliable enough if it's only one point.

From Canon's product page: High Performance Composing and Focus

Canon marketing says otherwise? Well, I'm not quite convinced :-p

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D Official Specs
« on: September 17, 2012, 06:40:11 AM »
The 6d will be able to focus in -3 ev so in that regard, it's even better than the 1d X.

Sure - *if* you happen to shoot in the dark and *if* you don't have a flash with af assist light (or the distance is too far) and *if* your lens is still able to provide an acceptable shutter speed - that might exclude the kit f4 lens.

The question is how *precise* the af will be at all and at esp. at low light, otherwise it's useless. We'll have to wait until January to find out... to me, the 6d sounds more like a "high iq tourist camera" than d600 competition.

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