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Lenses / Re: Help me choose: EF lens for 60D
« on: December 14, 2012, 06:54:00 AM »
The 17-40 f/4 L is a great lens and well within your budget but very limited zoom range ... I take a lot of group photos and the 24 mm on 17-40 (even on 60D & 7D) had barrel distrotion which I did not like ...

Since the 17-40 isn't the sharpest lens on the block anyway, I don't think distortion correction in post will make that much of a difference?

  • EF 17-40mm f/4L USM    - Because I like the wide angle ( and I don't think the 17-35 justify the price tag)
  • EF 24-105mm f/4L IS EF USM  - Looks like a very good range coverage, but I lose some of the wide angle.
  • EF 24-70mm f/4.0L -    Looks good on the paper, but It's still not available, and I have an opportunity to purchase a lens now.

Concerning the lenses *you* asked about ... the new 24-70/4 is ridiculously overpriced, so as for 17-40 or 24-105 you simply need to determine if you need the wide focal length on crop (or ultra-wide on ff). For me, taking a step back has usually solved this problem outdoors and you can use panorama stitching to "get it all in". So do you shoot group portraits and/or indoors in tight spaces?

Concerning the lenses you didn't ask about: +1 for the Tamron 24-70 esp. on crop, after the price drop it's good value now and better build-quality than ef-s lenses. But of course esp. on crop f2.8 even with IS doesn't enable you to shoot in the dark and get good quality, so it's rather for thin depth of field if you want/like that.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Canon EOS 6D Firmware 1.1.2
« on: December 14, 2012, 06:42:47 AM »
This is what the Magic Lantern devs need for adapting ml on the 6d - Thanks, Canon :-)

macro capability, tilt-shift lenses

Added, and maybe a valid point atm, though I originally left it out because you can also screw these on an eos-m. My point is rather "for what is a $3500 camera good instead of a sub-€1000 one", so it's not just about €100 p&s.

With EVF's and LCD screens, I feel a little removed from the experience.

LCD - yes. EVF - no, not if it's a good one you cannot tell from a OVF except for the battery drain and the option to add useful information on the fly like focus peaking....

You ever see a person take a photograph with an iPad?! That is the worst thing. Ever.

Actually I frequently see tourists taking pictures with their iPads and oversized smartphones in Berlin, even today in the Zoo. The only explanation I can imagine is that people either don't realize what possibilities a decent camera offers or - that's what the post is about - it doesn't make a difference for the pictures they take. We should do a "blind test" comparison poll - iPad vs. 5d3 for web-sized shots :-)

Better video.

Better, yes, best, no considering the recent developments - that's why I didn't include video in the list.

Filters. Cpl, grad nds etc for landscape. Guess you could do that with a p&s but you'd look a bit silly!

Indeed - that's why you're probably just as old-school biased as I am, but does it matter how it looks if it gets the job done and you cannot tell the result from a dlsr? The only reason to look "pro" is if clients pay you more.

@ Marsu - It sounds like you are talking to yourself into 6D and some "L" lenses for 2012 ;D

You're actually reading my posts :-) ... it really still depends on the 6d/5d3 price after 2-3 month, the 6d just went *up* €100 in Germany *above* the Canon retail price :-p

EOS Bodies / Re: 6d aus release?
« on: December 13, 2012, 05:33:37 PM »
You might want to check out your local small stores :)

Thanks for the information, but no, I won't - at least the Amazon price is up to €2099(!) from €1999 Canon retail, I guess that's the "dumb early adopters fee". If I buy the 6d then not until it's below €1900, i.e. after the initial rush when competition sets in.

even the cheapest of the APS-C lenses are better than anything on a p/s.

Are they? I haven't researched that, but there are bound to be Leica or such p&s that have better iq than aps-c kits. And you can screw any L lens on an eos m, that's why I didn't include it - good glass is no inherent advantage of a dlsr system anymore.

EOS Bodies / Re: 6d aus release?
« on: December 13, 2012, 08:14:58 AM »
It appears from ppls posts that we are the only country who don't have it yet.

Greetings from backwater Germany - release data Jan. 1 2013 :-p

I know your list is what the dslr is good at, but for balance we need the downside as well.

I didn't write the downsides because there are so much of them even if not considering the price - the list is purely meant to determine why dlsrs are necessary at all and what elevates them above p&s, i.e. which shots you can sell as a pro because your grandma cannot take them. I'll make this clearer in the op.

Lenses / Re: 100mm macro L on a 7d
« on: December 13, 2012, 06:35:07 AM »
I used to own the 100mm macro L and used it on the 7d. Works really well. Sharp, quick focusing and all the benefits of a crop body. Go for it.

... I agree, except for "quick focusing" - the 100L, being designed as a macro and dual-use portrait lens has a rather slow af. Fortunately it has a zoom range limiter, so you can either pre-select "macro only" or (one of the main advantages over the 100mm non-L macro) "non-macro only".

This question has been bothering me for some time, esp. after procrastinating in forums while trying to decide what expensive gear is eventually "worth it" to me :-) ... please not I'm not trolling and applaud everyone who puts his/her money into expensive gear to get shots just for the sake of remembering his/her kids or such.

So here it goes: When looking at a lot of sample shots, I'm wondering "would have that gear been necessary", and the inverse question "What shots can *only* be taken with this kind of equipment" and why is an expensive dlsr necessary at all?.

My guess is that a good part of the dslr market segment is populated by 30-40+ year old males who made their first photographic good experiences with analog dslrs (me, too). They just stick to the good ol' ways while the companies know these customers are rather well off by now and will respond to "quality" and "feature" upselling, so they exploit these suckers pushing the next $3500 camera or $2000 lens to customers who feel secure when having expensive gear.

I think I'm not alone with this question, and the difficulty often results in pro photogs either recommending "just get a [enter latest model name here], you'll never regret it" or the exact opposite "no need for the latest equipment". So here is my list that a dslr with proper equipment is good at, i.e. as a pro shooter you are well advised to take it into consideration or you'll end up being asked "My grandma could have shot that with her p&s"...

  • lighting: multiple off-camera flashes that are reliably triggered with fast x-sync or hss give a distinct "non-p&s" impression
  • thin depth of field and/or strong bokeh: can only be done with expensive lenses with large glass elements, and esp. fast primes
  • shooting reliability, i.e. more "keepers": while you can take good shots with nearly every equipment, it is seldom or never known how many shots or opportunities were lost. This concerns button layout, af precision, ...
  • shooting moving objects: pro dslrs are faster, at least at the moment. That concerns af speed/tracking, shutter release time and fps - the latter being better on mirrorless.
  • shooting in extreme natural conditions: pro dlsr equipment is sealed and sturdy, but for many usages throw-away equiment might make more sense and outodoor/underwater p&s will be there sooner or later.
  • shooting in difficult lighing conditions: the best sensors will always be the most expensive and eventually end up in dlsr equipment, meaning more dynamic range (well, with Nikon :-)) and higher iso capability for faster shutter speeds or low light shooting
  • (super)tele shots: longer focal lenght with decent quality is and will be a domain of expensive equipment
  • sharpness for large prints: while the next iPhone will probably have more mp than the current Canon crop cameras, attaching a $1000+ lens will still make a difference.
  • composition: a large ff viewfinder enables you to concentrate on the shot, at least as long as there are no dencent electronic viewfinders for p&s around

... added, though imho only slightly valid because a eos-m takes ef lenses, too:

  • macro capability: true 1:1 (or higher), not just 'close focusing' as 'macro' has come to mean in the P&S world
  • tilt-shift lenses: ability to correct for perspective distortion, and manipulate the DoF/plane of focus in a way other that a uniform linear distance from the camera

Let me know if anything else comes to your mind what's the sense of buying a dlsr system.

Lenses / Re: Canon EF 50 f/1.4 IS in 2013 [CR2]
« on: December 12, 2012, 07:55:17 PM »
Huh? the Canon 100mm 2.8 L is $900??????? The new 50mm IS should be around $700 or $800.

The 100L is regularly included in rebate programs ... any no way the 50/1.4IS will be only $800 no matter how "simple" it is to construct, imho it'll be at least $1000 for the versatility alone and because it's a great companion to the IS-less 24-70 lens(es). I hope Canon delivers and it's not 12/31/2013 :-p

Marsu- tak all the time you need- it's a big decision- I went back and forth between the 1dx, the 5D3, the 6D or the nikon D800 or even hte D600- it was a LOT to choose from, and took me a long time to decide- I finally went with hte tank- but based on my clumsiness and need for a rugged camera- plus the blazing speed for wildlife photography- It cost me my left kidney and three toes, but I think my choice will last a good long time.

Thanks for understanding!

It is indeed a decision that should last for some time, i.e. the next 4-5 years, no matter what Canon releases next. And considering alternative uses for that money I can understand everyone who went through not picking the old 5d2, being surprised by the 5d3 price tag and then waiting if the 6d is an alternative. At least selling my Canon gear is no real option, I just want to have access to Magic Lantern.

Of course some or most professionals just grab the tools that suit them like a couple of 5d3 or an array of flashes, but that's not me, at least not yet. And finding out "what's best" for me when spending €5000-€6000 is not as easy as picking an ice cream flavor. But I guess I'm pretty there now, I know I want/need a ff because the iso is very limiting on the 60d (though I'll happily keep it as backup), and I'll wait a bit for the 5d3 af assist bug and price tendency because I won't buy the 6d camera at the starting price in any case - so you'll be spared further posts like the above :-p

Unfortunately, unlike in the US in Germany there are nearly no "deals" or "instant rebates", just the regular Canon rebates (more limited than in the US and not including the gear I want) or eBay EU imports that aren't much cheaper either. For lenses, there is no Craiglist-equivalent, and camera dealers get a heart attack if you try to haggle :-o so it's just wait and see.

Marsu42 will you please just buy a full frame camera before you drive us all insane

Huh? How's that? Sorry if I'm being too vocal on my decision what camera to get, it's just that for example €3000 for a 5d3 Is.A.Lot.Of.Money.To.Me. so I want to make a good decision - and I guess others are in the same boat.

The 6D actually slightly outperforms the 5D3 in higher ISO settings:

But only very slightly if you apply stronger chroma nr to the 5d3 (nearly no iq loss), downsize the 5d3 shots a bit and then keep in mind that the 6d shots are softer.

Maybe someone can prove me wrong but I'm not aware of a single case ever with a modern HDD where data has ever been recovered by anyone if the actual data has been overwritten even once.

I just did some research and you seem to be correct - on modern disks (like 10+ years modern :-)) overwritten data list lost since the writing tech has changed so much since the good ol' days. If there is any possibility, it is well out of reach of private citizens and you have to ask your trusty nsa or equivalent for help.

compared to the 7D I found the 5DII and the T1i I had before the 7D, had no trouble tracking moving subjects.  Tree sloths, snails, flowing molasses, tectonic plates...the 5DII did just great!

I admit I seldom used af tracking with the 60d after I failed some time, but using a shallow rather dof like 300mm with f5.6 the objects often were not completely in focus (wrong prediction by the camera) or with small objects the single point af simply lost focus if the objects was either low contrast or away from the af point too long (i.e. zero custom settings on the 60d).

Don´t try to recover the files with a file recovering software.

I disagree, afaik it doesn't hurt to try at just reading the data - but the most secure option if in doubt is to create a full sector image of the hd (throught r-studio or some backup software like acronis), then mount the image and work on that.

Don´t write another file to the harddisc.

That's a given :-p

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