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EOS Bodies / Re: Big Megapixel Talk [CR2]
« on: October 09, 2012, 01:41:10 PM »
It wasn't a question! It was an answer!
Wait, I thought the answer was 42.  Now you're telling me it's 46.1?!?!?   ;)

As the expert on 42, I can say that 42 is still valid :-) ... though some well-known company wanted us to believe the answer is 21, then 22, now maybe 20.

EOS Bodies / Re: Big Megapixel Talk [CR2]
« on: October 09, 2012, 12:45:05 PM »
It's funny reading all there complaints about Canon.
When in reality all professional gear Canon has in production are great.

Is Canon still hiring in viral marketing :-p ?

And if you think something is missing it will come in time. Don't loose your pants yet.

I think you got it mixed up: The people "complaining" are not the ones who just bought a 1dx or a 5d3 but those who think Canon is way too expensive and/or lacking features below $3500 in comparison either to Nikon or the respective predecessors. When simply looking at pro gear Canon is of course excellent, and this indeed seems to be their main focus.

Look at the poll http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=9763.0 ... 90% of voters thought Canon would release a higher mp body that outside of the "purely pro" price range.

EOS Bodies / Re: Looks like the 6D may not be so bad after all
« on: October 09, 2012, 12:37:33 PM »
I wanna stick to Canon so theres no choice anyway.

Ssssssssshh! If Canon hears you the next camera they announce will only have one af point :-p

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: New 60D or Second-hand 7D?
« on: October 09, 2012, 04:05:36 AM »
I'm almost decided on the 60D body - my budget will stretch to this new but wonder if a second-hand 7D body would be a better choice? I shoot a bit of everything except weddings(!) and do so for fun rather than money. I have a number of SD/SDHC cards already but no CF cards.

I've been shooting 60d for 2 years. Imho the 7d is clearly the superior camera because of the better af _for_servo_af_, and now that the 7d will run Magic Lantern soon there's really no reason to prefer the 60d except if you wan the smaller body size and the swivel screen - the latter is really handy when doing odd angle or tripod shots. If you only shoot one-shot and do not track, the 60d af is absolutely ok & the 60d has better sealing than the Rebels, too. If you get a 7d you might want to try a underexposed shot, raise it and look for banding, some 7d bodies are known to be worse than others.

The question is what shutter count your used 7d has and if you really get it @60d price. And remember there won't be any warranty, and things break, so if your budget is really stretched already don't let yourself be talked into buying L glass and the 7d because most people on this site wouldn't want to use a 650d even as a doorstopper.

EOS Bodies / Re: Big Megapixel Talk [CR2]
« on: October 09, 2012, 03:45:27 AM »
"Has Canon really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like about the new sensors yet?" - I assumed that it means: "Has Canon really decided to use the old sensors instead of looking for the new ones?"

Considering the expected price tag of the 1ds imho the really interesting question for the rest of us is...

Will Canon new release new crop-cameras with really new sensor tech in 2013, or will they resort to the usual updates (70d=60d with touchscreen, af detect pixels & afma, 700d=650d with built-in cappuccino maker) and we'll have to wait much longer to see the new sensor tech of the 1ds trickle down to consumer grade bodies?

If they come up with an aps-c update with 1-2 usable iso steps more (like a 100% usable iso1600), this might obsolete the need for some folks to buy a ff - so it might not be in Canon's best interested, since they ignore the Nikon competition anyway. In the future ff will offer more mp, but currently it's just about iso noise.

Does Nikon still make better bodies?

Yes, but * Ken Rockwell * recons that if his public image is too much identified with Nikon it'll hurt his business, so he keeps on testing Canon stuff and making occasional public noises about it. You know Canon is in trouble if they receive pity reviews.

The result: Even on Canon sites his name * Ken Rockwell * gets mentioned a lot, so I'm sure the *  Ken Rockwell * site rises in the Google pageranking - when you search for xyz Canon _review_, * Ken Rockwell * will be still at the top even if * Ken Rockwell * doesn't even bother to read the manual when testing gear on the * Ken Rockwell * site.

Btw: here's his site: http://www.kenrockwell.com/

... I hope he buys me a free Canon 5d3 now :-)

EOS Bodies / Re: Looks like the 6D may not be so bad after all
« on: October 08, 2012, 04:25:06 AM »
Sometimes you meet somebody thats alcohol level is below 3%o. So you can talk to this person....

Ok, I believe you, I really don't want to bash it. The only time I've been there is when I've been a kid - and of course the media mostly report the spectacular things like drunken persons being dragged away by the police (I recon they've got foreign national policemen there to be able to cope with the tourists :-)).

For my person, I can say that in our fotoclub some owners of an 60D have problems with the noise. @100 iso it is not really present, starting to be visible >400 Iso. This is what we noticed.

High iso noise is just an inherent problem w/ aps-c sensors, no way around this in comparison to ff. The current 18mp sensor imho is ok @iso400, just still usable @iso800 ... but then it's emergency only, you cannot raise shadows and/or have to reduce the mp size in post to cover the noise (or blur generated by nr). But if you look closely, @iso100 there's no iso read noise, but the plain color areas are uneven and just gives the image a "noisy" expression, too.

EOS Bodies / Re: Who said Canon cameras suck?!?
« on: October 08, 2012, 04:14:07 AM »
so after looking at this link that was previously posted I actually prefer the 5dmk3 images...

Why's that? The d600 shots just show the higher dr of the Nikon/Sony sensor, so the images look more compressed and "dull". But you can crank up the contrast in no time, giving it the same "punch" as the 5d3 shots while keeping the ability to capture higher contrast scenes (or screw up more with the exposure). And have more mp at the same time. And a much lower price. Argh - if it wasn't for Magic Lantern I'd be a Nikon user by now, no matter the Canon ergonomics that I like much better.

EOS Bodies / Re: Looks like the 6D may not be so bad after all
« on: October 08, 2012, 03:38:41 AM »
@ Marsu42
Des is oba a bisserl sarkastisch! Scheane Griass vun da Wiesn. Hob mi heit mit a boa Preissn guat untahoitn.

But doesn't conversation on Oktoberfest mainly consist of "Prosit!", "Gsuffa" und "Guäääääää" :->?

I´m not sure, whether all testing magazines get "normal" Cameras you can buy on the market. It is sometimes said, that Companies send specially adjusted Cameras to them. Maybe it is true.

I'm sure they don't do anything that could ruin their public image when discovered, so "specially adjusted" will mean only that they make sure it's the best "normal" sample of a batch with absolutely no known flaws.

Mine 60D has low noise, lower then the 60D of my friends. But my 7D is more noisy and has  low contrasting quality. There other Camerasare much better than mine.

The 7d is known to have a large variance esp. with banding, obviously because of issues with the dual readout channels. But I never read the 60d noise was different across samples? On my 60d the iso100 noise is low, too, it's just that I'd have expected to do better if I've got a tripod and no end of exposure time.

5D3 or bust for me.

...And that's why Canon marketing achieved its goal: Release an entry level ff w/o cannibalizing the 5d3, every person with more than one Canon lens who can somehow cough up €3000 will bit the bullet and save for the (imho still overpriced) 5d3, esp. when the 5d2 is gone.

EOS Bodies / Re: Looks like the 6D may not be so bad after all
« on: October 07, 2012, 05:44:05 AM »
This is why I wonder what advantage the D600 AF sensor has over the 6D, except for tracking.

If the spot you're trying to af is a difficult one it makes a large difference if you've got helper points around or if the camera is stuck with trying to lock with the one af point all over. Admittedly, this doesn't happen all the time, but as an option it should make the af much more reliable like the 5d3/1dx's focus point expansion.

EOS Bodies / Re: Is Canon EOS-1S the Name? [CR1]
« on: October 06, 2012, 09:46:38 AM »
New technology will be introduced in this camera and will set the stage for sensor development over the next 2-3 years.

Quite a pity Canon decided to released the 5d3/6d sensor with the 5d2 sensor tech while they obviously have something in the works that might come closer to Nikon ... but maybe the 1dx2, 5d4 and 6d2 releases are already in the pipeline.

EOS Bodies / Re: Looks like the 6D may not be so bad after all
« on: October 05, 2012, 04:41:01 PM »
though the photo quality is awesome.

Please never post Nikon iso comparison shots on a Canon site again, Nkon's iso1600=iso100 and Nikon's iso3200 equaling Canon's aps-c iso100 will increase suicide rates of Canon owners so much there won't be people left to buy the 6d. Not that there would be many to begin with.

Lenses / Re: If you could only have 2 lenses for a wedding...
« on: October 05, 2012, 12:54:01 PM »
Their current lenses to wedding are:
1. 24-70 f2.8 II

So you're saying they switched from the 24-70 mk1 to the mk2 asap - because they feel they have to have the latest gear, or does the mk2 really make a difference to them?

Lenses / Re: 24-70 II or 70-200 II
« on: October 05, 2012, 06:45:17 AM »
sounds like a pretty easy decision as the 24-70 II isn't readily available just yet.  (maybe in some places).  The 70-200 2.8 II has got a great rebate on it right now and the price has settled.

Imho the 24-70ii is a good investment, too, since the price is likely to stay this high for some time.

I like the idea of the 70-200 for those times where I can't be very close to the kids (where the 24-70 would be great) but it's also a huge lens and I'd prefer not to be lugging it around all the time.  That's where the 24-70 sounds more appealing.  24-70 is a great lens but I don't know if it will be as versatile in situations with the kids.

The weight of the 70-200ii is indeed rather brutal as it creates a lot of torque on the wrist, and as an internal zoom it is large to store in the bag. And remember you can crop from a sharp 70mm shot (how much resolution do you need - is it for screen viewing only?), but you cannot zoom out if your kids run towards you with a tele zoom - so the standard zoom should be more versatile.

Imho get the 24-70 now, esp. for indoor shots, and decide later on how often you'll need the 70-200 and if it isn't smarter to get the 70-300L for outdoor shots instead (physically shorter, more zoom range + cheaper) or if you really need a constant f2.8 with today's 5d2/3 iso capability. Imho the 70-200/2.8 is complete overkill for amateur fun shots. You can still get a fast prime lens for portraits that beats the 70-200 later on.

EOS Bodies / Re: Looks like the 6D may not be so bad after all
« on: October 05, 2012, 06:36:15 AM »
The 6D could have truly been something awesome. It was stupidity and arrogance the lead to the decisions made on this camera, nothing more. I for one, feel insulted

Indeed - but the problem is that this doesn't matter to Canon at all, why should it? It doesn't make a difference to them if you just "normally" don't buy the 6d or if you "really, really, not at all" don't buy it - in their books it's the binary sold or not sold. And there will be enough people getting hooked on the ff + gps & wifi once the 6d drops under $2000, which I expect to happen in no time.

Rebel amateurs will frequently switch brands due to daily discount, and pros won't do it at all if not pressed. Canon's one problem would be enthusiasts switching to Nikon, but as far as I can see this isn't happening in numbers, Canon users are either buying the 5d3 now (that's why the price is going up), saving for it or waiting for the next body. Me included, I'm not willing to get a Nikon that doesn't run Magic Lantern :-o

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