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... the employee told me to send it to the German Canon service departement. He thinks the main processor is broken - maybe as an result of the fw-upgrade (then there will be NO warranty).  :-[
But If the Camera is within the 2 year German waranty and as it worked once after the sucessful fw update I would insist on that warranty.

Problem is that you cannot *prove* these things - saying "the update broke my camrera" with millions of customers happily updating their fw each year. Canon might or might not have internal data on that, but they certainly won't tell you.

As I argued, I find it much more likely that the fw update and the broken camera aren't directly connected, maybe loosely, if at all - i.e. after the first shots the camera did some cpu-intensive calibrations, and that made it break down. Just a pure guess, of course, I have no idea what the camera does after upgrading the fw.

Still, I'd definitely make the point that an electronics breakdown withing the 2y German warranty should still be covered w/o pressing the fw connection. Alas, after this time it's *you* who has to prove it's a warranty case, not *them* proving it's not :-(

Best hopes for you.

Same from me! These expenses are sooooo annoying.

As I read, there is an new 6D-firmware. I tried to get it on my 6D. There was the success-message after updating. I took 2 shots after updating. But after restarting (switch off and on again), the 6D stays black.

As you took 2 shots with it (which wouldn't have been possible w/ a broken fw) my guess it that the breakdown was unconnected to the fw upgrade, even if it might be hard to believe right now. +1 for trying a full battery, of course.

Is there anything I can do to get this problem fixed? Or do I have to send it to CPS?

Unless you're going to be really ingenious and inquire in the ML forum about a debugging firmware that resets the camera's settings and *might* be able to do something, this is a service case. Sorry :-\ ... I hope it's still under warranty, because this "it suddenly stopped working" is covered unless it's moisture damage.

IF there's even a SLIGHT possibility of moisture damage DON'T START THE CAMERA AGAIN but use the usual procedure (rice bag, warm/dry environment, ...) and wait some days.

EOS Bodies / Re: NEW CAMERA - EOS 80D?
« on: January 09, 2015, 07:07:52 AM »
That's it.(booooring)

Not so: It's always interesting to see what Canon comes up in the way of crippling their cameras, they're rather ingenious about that.

I wonder if just leaving in the 9x cross point af system gives enough distance to the 70d, as it would make the 750d essentially a "super-60d" with some loss of usability because of the small size and the missing back wheel.

It probably depends on the mid-term prices Canon predicts for the 70d and this new Rebel, but I see the 70d dropping because of the much more competent 7d2, essentially pushing the 70d down in "Rebel space".

Edit: Did some posts about giving improper credits just get lost? I wanted to comment on them, stating that I disagree - but now I cannot find it anymore. Strange.

EOS Bodies / Re: NEW CAMERA - EOS 80D?
« on: January 09, 2015, 02:43:04 AM »
WHY does the world need another Rebel?  >:(

Because they've got an updated sensor by now - the world needs even two Rebels in succession: one with the 70d 20mp sensor, the next one with the 7d2 20mp sensor...

A rebel sized full frame with the famous 18MP or perhaps the 20MP 6D sensor with a soon to come 6D2 going more upper tier

Won't happen: The ff sensor is very expensive to produce, and you can only cut away so much around it - the 6d1 is pretty much bare to the bones already. No way you can reach a standard Rebel price like that. Plus of course a Canon ff never had a flash so far.

EOS Bodies / Re: NEW CAMERA - EOS 80D?
« on: January 08, 2015, 05:17:36 PM »
It would be the first Rebel with a top LCD and lock button if that was the case, but you're right it does like quite small.

My bet is a new Rebel with swivel screen, the 70d's sensor and an top lcd - I always found a dslr w/o a top lcd is really under-spec'ed, getting some basic shooting data w/o turning the camera downwards should be important even to newbie shooters.

Canon indicated they'll stop releasing Rebels every month or so, that's why they'll put all their eggs into one basket for the "d750" or "d800", whatever the name.

My guess is a 6d mark 2.

I doubt that - the whole camera is really small, almost all top-buttons on the right (af, drive) have moved to the multi-controller. The wheel (if it's that) and the buttons are also really small, while a ff 6d2 should retain some "big" usability.

Last not least, the placement next to hifi/tv a consumer-style product like the "Canon Connect Station" points to a consumer-level camera body like a Rebel.

EOS Bodies / Re: Speculate: How much noise improvement from 5D3 to 5D4?
« on: January 08, 2015, 05:05:45 PM »
Btw: You do know that iso >6400 on 5d3 is simply digitally amplified, and you only loose dynamic range when shooting raw and going higher? The high iso values are for jpeg, video, marketing - but not for hq stills shooting.
I think its ISO 25600 native, and of course 51200 and 100k (called H1 and H2) are digital versions, which you can disable in custom menu... ?

Definitely wrong, the h1/h2 are as "digital" as 25k  - Canon just calls them "extpanded iso" from tradition and to mark the fact that you're to expect an even more severe degradation of image quality.

To be precise, "digital" amplification can happen at several stages of the in-camera image data path - I'm just using it here as word to differentiate from "real" sensor analog settings which are full iso stops 100-1600/3200/6400 (depending on the camera model, ff, crop, ...).

Their marketing div certainly won't burden innocent Joe Sixpack users with the internal workings of their sensors, esp. as so many people think the camera's highest iso setting equals the real low light sensitivity of the sensor.

EOS Bodies / Re: 6D HDR problem
« on: January 08, 2015, 04:58:46 PM »
RAW is RAW - unprocessed

Nope, "raw" from current bayer sensors simply means mosaic data. Magic Lantern's dual_iso postprocessing utility, for example, assembles 2x 14bit cr2 into 1x 16bit raw dng. You still need to feed it to a raw converter like ACR to get a usable picture.

and HDR is, by definition, a processed shot from multiple pictures.

Nope, hdr simply means high dynamic range which in turn means almost nothing. You have to specify what you're talking about, in this case an assembled shot from multiple brackets - high-bitres like openexr/fp tif, or tonemapped/fused to a low-bitdepth picture.

You guys have convinced me to take the 6D.  Why not, right? I guess if anything would break, it would be a mirrorless camera versus a tank of an SLR. [...] Also it WILL be raining a lot in London so this is when I'd put the EOS M away.

Make no mistake: The 6d's weather sealing is very weak, if you shoot in rain you're gambling with your camera since the warranty doesn't cover that damage! You might be lucky, but then again you might be not - better get a rain cover or use a bag from the supermarket.

I'll bring the 50mm 1.8 for when I need a "perfectionist" shot (sharpest possible IQ).

Are you sure we're talking about the same lens :-p ... 50/1.8 and "sharpest possible iq" doesn't compute.

EOS Bodies / Re: 6D HDR problem
« on: January 07, 2015, 08:00:23 AM »
I would try Magic Lantern, but after this experience, I distrust Canon customer service.  I am concerned that if I sent my camera in for servicing, that they would detect the ML software and refuse to service it.

That never happened, and you can remove ML anytime you want w/o trace. Or disable it when the camera starts, btw.

The best example of people "pick pocketing" was when I took a boat from the train station to the Venice (IT) grand canal - it was crowded, not much room to move and as people moved to get off, a woman looked down into her hand bag and noticed that her purse had been removed.

Yes, that's really the worst case scenario - a *crowded* spaces where the criminals know a lot of *well-off* *confused* tourists will pass through (I know Venice, and it qualifies). Unless Berlin/Germany, esp. in Italy/Spain and their major cities, I'd be on my guard, and I can things like in the video imagining there. Though the guys in the video remind me of the east European gangs the "find the ball under the three hoods" game in Berlin, but that's fraud and not outright robbery.

Alas, not to add insult to injury, but the lonely victim in the video is really dressed in the most stupid way with a red coat, backpack and walking around with a laaaaaaarge lens hanging in front of his belly. Come on, that looks like in an educational video how not to do it, only the sunglasses are missing.

Btw: If you park your car in Rome, you have to pay a "fee" to some guy greeting you innocently - or, well, you know, things break and your car might have been damaged if you return. It actually *is* like in the Monty Python's scene "things burn":

Pickpockets are at work in all major European cities. Be smart. Be alert. Be aware.

As the resident of one of the major European cities, I'd say it's not like it's the jungle over here, I'd feel much, much less safe in central Miami or LA (yes, I've been there).

In some infamous southern European cities there might be really organized crime cutting away your camera or purse strap from your shoulder, but otherwise it's personal stupidity to get something stolen. If you behave like a clueless tourist, hang your $10k+ gear in front of your belly with that "Canon digital 1dx" strap and then place your "pro" dslr case on the bench next to you while getting some Currywurst or admire the sights - well, the joke's on you.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: POLL: Do you need 1/8000s shutter speed?
« on: January 07, 2015, 02:42:11 AM »
I wish the 6d had it.if you want to shoot the 50l wide open (that's the reason you buy it) in bright daylight  you have to use a nd filter.

But then again, just having one stop faster shutter wouldn't save you and you'd have to use a nd filter anyway?

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: POLL: Do you need 1/8000s shutter speed?
« on: January 06, 2015, 05:43:38 PM »
What's not to like?

The price of premium cameras being able to sustain this shutter speed over their life cycle!

Question is if Canon disabled 1/8k on the 6d for marketing reasons or to get away with cheaper build quality. On the Rebels, afaik it's because they've got a completely different (i.e. cheaper) mirror/shutter construction.

EOS Bodies / Re: Speculate: How much noise improvement from 5D3 to 5D4?
« on: January 06, 2015, 04:44:50 PM »
I find the idea appealing, but there's nothing (that I know of) to back up his speculation.

This is certainly the right place to discuss this possibility :-)

I know for a fact that Canon doesn't use all features built into their DIGIC processors because Magic Lantern managed to unlock some of them. And I know from ML coding that Canon hides fw features like "af patterns": The 9-pt "diamond" systems have the ability to select multiple af points (not just one or all), but Canon simply chose not to make this feature accessible through their GUI - most likely to protect their premium cameras.

While the above it the Truth(tm), it's difficult to separate it from conspiracy theories. Btw do you know you only use 10% of your brains' power and can unlock the rest by paying a lot of €€€ for pseudo-religious mumbo-jumbo?

EOS Bodies - For Stills / POLL: Do you need 1/8000s shutter speed?
« on: January 06, 2015, 03:45:36 PM »
Some say a body with "just" 1/4ks is unusable and not a real man's camera. That made me set up this poll because I wonder how the general CR crowd feels about this.

My personal experience is that the missing 1/8ks hurts most for bracketing w/o a nd filter. Otherwise the stopping power isn't as significantly different unless shooting rockets in flight and it cannot be "fast enough". When in doubt I'd rather opt for one stop lower iso, esp. on crop.

What's your take? Exercise your right to vote now or forever hold your peace!

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