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EOS Bodies / Re: Official: Canon EOS 7D Mark II
« on: September 20, 2014, 01:52:29 AM »
Quote from: Lee Jay link=7.msg442238#msg442238 date=1411134654
I don't think that most enthisiasts, semi-pros, or pros are going to sit on a camera body for ten years. I think your average consumer tends to churn through cameras at a pretty fast rate as well, although there are certainly some who stick with what they've got as long as they can to get the most for their money.

The vast majority of dSLR purchasers never buy another one.  Only pros and genuine enthusiasts do.  Of all the people I know that have dSLRs, almost all of them still use the first one they ever bought.  I'll provide a list of people I know, aside from me - 10D, D70, 5DII, Rebel XT, 300D, T2i, T4i.  In fact, of everyone I know, only one person aside from me has ever "upgraded" and that was to move from Canon (40D) to Nikon (D200 - still using that one).  And my upgrade was from 10D to 5D when the 5D first came out.

This next path (looking like 20D+5D to 7D2+6D) will be my first body upgrade since 2005.  I've cycled through a great many lens changes since my first DSLR purchase (17-40L, 28-135IS, 75-300IS, 50/1.8, 50/1.4, 35/2, 35/1.4L, Sigma 20/1.8, Sigma 15mm fisheye, 100/2, 85/1.8, 24-105L, 70-200/2.8L IS, 70-200/2.8L IS II, Tamron 1.4x, Tamron 2x, Kenko Pro 1.4x, Canon 1.4x II Canon 2x III, Meade ETX-125PE, Celestron Edge HD 11).

I'm with Jrista on this one based on my experience and living in Japan where buying a new camera every 6 months seems to be the norm. My 5D2 feels very outdated amongst the multitude of 6D and 5D3's out there (some of them are definitely not pro). Perhaps in the past people held on to their gear for longer but (mainly thanks to Sony) things are changing rapidly so naturally folk want to keep up. I can't imagine keeping my 5D2 (which I bought 2 years ago) for any longer than another year, simply because by then it will be really hard to sell.

Also camera's have come down in price considerably so it's easier to justify a new purchase. I went through 3 bodies in 4 years, not even including my EOS M. And I consider that conservative. It's like PCs and laptops now. Who keeps a laptop for 10 years? Yeah it works but why burden yourself with slow ass gear when you can buy the latest for a few hundred bucks?

My longest kept electronic device is a hi-fi that my dad bought me about 20 years ago. Still works (but the speakers gave way ages ago). I only kept it for sentimental reasons. The thing is giant and a first generation iPod could easily outperform it! So in that respect I get why someone might keep a camera for ages.

I generally keep computers for 7 years, and I don't buy low end junk for a few hundred bucks.  I bought my stereo in 1989 and have replaced a component here and there over time.  It will still blow the doors off 99% of the sound systems in modern theaters. I just bought a set of binoculars I intend to keep for the rest of my life (Canon 10x42L IS - highly recommended).  I've had my model airplane fleet for 28 years basically in all original condition until last year when I finally upgraded to state of the art propultion and radio systems. I generally keep cell phones for 5-7 years.  Until a few weeks ago, my three cars were an 88, 01 and 04.

Upgrading for the sake of upgrading is painful and expensive.  I only upgrade to gain a major new capability that I didn'thave before and that I will use  all the time.

Sure, but that's you. ;)

Most of my friends, coworkers, and acquaintances have DSLRs now. All of them used to have a handful of P&S cameras in the past, but most have since moved to their smartphones for most of their day-to-day photography, and a DSLR for the photography they consider "more serious." Many of these friends actually have more DSLRs than I do. I have the 7D and 5D III at the moment (I gave the 450D to my mother a year ago.) Some of my arguably "non-photographer" friends have three to five ILC type cameras, almost one per person in a family sometimes. A couple are die-hard Canon fans, others pick up whatever they are told is best, and have a variety of brands. I know for a fact that some of these people have cameras lost in their closets, for which they purchased replacements (that I figure will become lost themselves at some point, warranting the purchase of another "new" DSLR to replace it...I'm sure it's some kind of justification conspiracy...hide the camera in the closet, justify buying a new one when they "can't find it". :P)

Maybe it's a demographic thing. Most of the people I know are programmers of one sort or another, which tends to come with rather high paying salaries. Married couples usually both work, which means spending a few hundred bucks on a DSLR every year or two isn't a big deal. I imagine smartphone churn is probably the primary way that lower income demographics get new cameras these days, and that will probably eat away at the P&S market until there it's barely a shadow of it's former self. At the same time...I think that will increase the value of ILC cameras. I do know that most of my non-photographer friends/acqaintances/coworkers DO view DSLRs as "better", even if they may not actually be better than comparable mirrorless cameras. Bigger must be better seems to be the theme (and when it comes to sensors, they are right...bigger sensors fundamentally do mean better images, even if they are just JPEGs.)

interesting, I guess it all depends on who you see in your circles.  In my circles of friends and family (not including those who are photographers), only a few own dslr's.  The parents and their contemporaries have P&S camera's.   The vast majority rest use their phones. 

Of those who do own dslr's, vast majority will use that camera until they break it or lose it.  Features that we desire won't sell to that crowd ....DR???  yeah right, unless the camera has more computer in it to do on the spot PP, or more advanced presets that offer more image manipulation control DR won't sell.  DR will only make a difference in post process and most common users don't do any post process. Seriously though, the average user is going to be in Auto everything mode, shooting to jepg.  Most will never read their manual!!!!  So yeah, what sells to the average user, advanced sensor's for pixel peepers or instagram-like presets???   

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EOS Bodies / Re: 6D Mark-II in response to the D750
« on: September 19, 2014, 01:30:46 PM »
uggg...  where to start.  For one, the whole respond respond respond thing is growing quite tiresome.  Maybe, just maybe canon has a plan and they are releasing things according to that plan?  But, for the sake of playing along...

Let's go the other way, when will nikon respond to the d750?  I mean, the d600 had better specs than the 6d but nikon had to respond to their own body with a d610, and now they are responding to the d610 with the d750 (or they just finally read all the survey cards from 2011). 

Sorry but Canon seems like the company that does have their act together here.  The 6d, while gimped with limited AF points is standing the test of time.   It's a solid camera that canon has not had to replace with a 6d.1 due to poor workmanship, and then replacing it a third time with a whole new body name under the guise of upgrading an older product that isn't even the thing nikon users actually wanted!!!!!

Is there a d6xx series anymore, or is that totally dropped.  The d750 makes zero sense to me - if the intent was to put out a body that could be more of a direct competitor to the 5dmk3, then why did they gimp it to be slightly better than the d6xx's and slightly worse than the d8xxx???? Nikon could have used the same shell as the d810, same AF, same everything but swap the image sensor for the 24 MP exmor ----done deal, you then have a pro spec'ed prosumer body with high fps, great AF and large enough files to have some leg room to work with but not overly huge like the d8xx.  Nope, they didn't do that though and that leaves the 5d3mk3 on it's own in the field...  While I am not one for...compny A hasto respnd to company b, sorry but it seems to me like nikon has struggled to find a true competitor to the 5d3, it took them 5 bodies to get close but still they could not do it.

Now o the Original point...6d mark 2.

I may be one fo the few here to say this but, I like that the current 6d is affordable and simple.  I use both a 5d3 and a 6d and sometimes it's just easier to use the 6d's af because of how simple it is.

I would be perfectly happy with he 6d2 just simple having more cross points.  If you wantt o get nutty, port over the old 7d's 19 point AF, either way, from where I stand more AF points mean less than more cross points (Seriously, I'd rather it keep the same 11 point AF, just make them all cross points --- please don't give me 40+ AF points but like 2 cross type)

the 6d does not need to compete on AF with the lower level stuff - your not stepping up to the 6d for AF, the sensor itself should be the thing your going after.

DPAF will be in it because I am guess all canons will have it.

Other than that, for the 6d series - I am all for a modest upgrade - a little bump in MP, more cross type points, modest upgrade to AF, and that's that.   

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EOS Bodies / Re: High ISO Samples from the Canon EOS 7D Mark II
« on: September 16, 2014, 02:07:59 PM »
hmmm...regarding focus in that test shot...it looks like it was at the minumum focus distance...so that could account for it being a little off as most lenses get less accurate when the limits are pushed...wonder what lens was on there too....

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EOS Bodies / Re: Official: Canon EOS 7D Mark II
« on: September 15, 2014, 01:24:04 PM »
oh boy...i think i am going to skip the reading of all these pages and just jump out on a limb and say a few things. 

This camera does look to be badass, that is if your shooting action.  If your not shooting action, or are reach limited then FF sensors are just better for the obvious reasons.  So I won't be buying this - but - I do like what I see for specs. 

As to the constant DR drumbeat I hear...I am sick of that and sick of all the claims that this isn't an upgrade and canon doesn't innovate.  I mean, tell me seriously what other than using someone else's sensor has nikon done?  Take that sensor out and what have they done?  Not much, other than release 7 FF bodies over the past 3 years (more if you count the DF, and the d4 and the d4s) in order to end up with 2 decent ones....

Anyway you hack it though...all this talk of innovation and really, how can nikon take any of the credit for it...or...how can camera users give nikon credit for that?  Especially when apparently they couldn't even get that right without releasing 7 bodies to get 2 that may stick....

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Nikon announced D750
« on: September 12, 2014, 04:53:00 PM »
My take,

The d750 sounds like a speced up d610, but not so speced up to be a real competitor to the d810 - sounds like a good partner camera for a d810 (for wedding shooters, d750 comes out for the ceremony and reception, d810 for the posed stuff and first dances...)

It makes me wonder if canon will upgrade the 6d sooner than later.  It also makes me wonder if Nikon is  putting an end to the d6xx line.  It just seems like too many FF camera's now.  In my opinion Nikon should have manned up and not gimped this camera - price it closer to $3k, 1/8000 shutter, CF slots instead of sd, more cross points.  don't get me wrong, for the price it's a really good option as a companion body. 

I find it funny that the 7d2 has some very impressive upgrades but canon folks blast it as a weak offering (AKA no promise of more DR), and they so praise nikon for always pushign the bar, then nikon does this.  It's puzzling.  I expected more from this release.

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EOS Bodies / Re: How does the reveal of the final 7D2 specs make you feel?
« on: September 12, 2014, 11:21:02 AM »
"I am neither excited nor disappointed.  The specs are, on average, what I was expecting."

throwing my hat in the above voting block.  I'm not shooting sports that often, nor do I do wildlife so 10 fps is overkill, and I don't find myself in reach limited situations too much.  So, there wasn't too much this body could really do for me.

I do like a few of the little things though ---

built in Intervalometer -  not huge but very useful and will most likely be in future body upgrades.

Can sync time between 7D II cameras. --- I really like the idea of this, hope they do it right and again, make this universal to all bodies.  i shoot with 2 bodies so better time syncing can save a bunch of time and head ache in post. 

Other than that, it's a matter of wait and see how this thing actually performs.  Will the sensor have some new characteristics?  My guess is yes but to what extent?  I mean, this is first and foremost a sports/action camera ---i know car analogies rarely work but --- if you buy a sports a car your not generally going to be too worried about trunk space or a trailer hitch.     

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Specifications Confirmed
« on: September 11, 2014, 04:18:47 AM »
"Intervalometer"

now, I'm 99% certain i am not buying another cop body...but...that one makes me smile.  canon should have had an Intervalometer before this so that just makes me smile that it's in this, because it will be in other bodies soon.  this does sound like a nice body though. 

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5D MK III Sample Images / Re: 5D MK III Images
« on: September 11, 2014, 04:02:02 AM »
here's a new one.

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Canon EF Prime Lenses / Re: Canon EF 100mm f/2.8L Macro IS USM
« on: September 08, 2014, 03:59:41 PM »
here's one from just the other day that I am particularly proud of!

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Nikon D750 to be Canon 5D3 competitor?
« on: September 08, 2014, 03:23:35 PM »
Nikon could have matched canon dollar for dollar on the d800 (with the 5d3) - their decision not to says to me this is a company that is getting a little desperate.

Except your argument builds on the false premise that Nikon set their price point before Canon did. It was the other way around...

if you are correct then how is it false - if canon set their pruice fort he 5d3 first then nikon could have matched it (notice that the d810 price is a lot closer to the 5d3 cost.  This also tells me that the gamble of undercutting canon did not work (IE - not enough canon users jumped ship). 

Also, I really think that sony pulled a fast one on nikon by putting the exmor chip in the A7 ---- in the prosumer/pro market, your catering to a segment that is already with you, or, pro's that use the other brand.  by making the A7's adaptor friendly, that does cut out many potential brand switchers because canon users can buy the A7r and enjoy most of the benefits of the exmor sensor without selling off glass and replacing it (aka switching to the d8xx series).


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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Nikon D750 to be Canon 5D3 competitor?
« on: September 08, 2014, 01:24:18 PM »
How about we all pitch in a few bucks/dollars/quid and buy dilbert a D800 for Christmas? Maybe he will finally stop complaining then, because I can't figure out why someone so unhappy with Canon and envious of Nikon wouldn't just switch and STFU :)

I'm 100% serious about this. I will pitch in the first $10 USD for dilbert's D800 fund. We just need 299 more people to pledge $10 USD to this altruistic cause. With the power of the internet, surely we can accomplish this!

wow...lol...i would almost do this but ---like a trainwreck it's kind of fun to read the rants....lol

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Nikon D750 to be Canon 5D3 competitor?
« on: September 08, 2014, 01:08:14 PM »
So, here's a few ideas based on multiple responses in this thread:

Regarding the market share argument ---  I'd say this is both a dead horse and a valid argument --- but thats exactly how I feel about the constant calls for Canon to answer the nikon (fill in the blank ), or the constant, talk of how so many are gonna switch (LOL, reality on that is that miost who do switch or add on a system won't be talking or bragging or complaining, they would be silently doing that.  Either way, it all comes right back to market share and sales - the way i see it it's the good old put your money where your mouth is - canon's sales figures do tell us that not enough people are putting their money where their mouths are (either by skipping model releases or buying other systems).  Conversely, nikon's sales figures don't speak towards large numbers of new users jumping into their system (i'd love to see some used market data - this may tell us more than the actual sales figures for new product - or not even used sales but used availability - is there a glut of canon glass and bodies on the market?  I don't see that, and, if there was a huge increase in supply of used caon gear then the cost of used gear would probably drop a bit too...not seeing that. 

Another poster, forget who it was and I'm not gonna search for it was saying something to the effect of - sales figures aren't as important as being competitive in the market.  Seriously???  A company can't be IN the market without positive sales figures.  Being competitive is great, but you gotta be smart with it and not jump the shark.  I still think nikon made a deal with the devil by partnering with sony for sensors.  Yes that gives them a kick ass sensor now, but it shifts the focus from nikon to sony.  With sony now putting that sensor in many other companies bodies, this effect gets multiplied.  If Nikon was better woth things like quality control, customer service, repairs then things may be a little different.  Note, I am also looking at the reality of nikons pricing - Nikon is most likely saving a ton of R&D money on sensors by partnering with sony - given that their product is extremely similar to canons - they should be charging the same price - but no, they are undercutting canon.  Which at first makes buyers happy, yeah, saved some $$$$...but then consider where the $$$ is going, if it's going to things like CPS and lens R&D and customer swervice/quality control, then yeah, I am wok paying a little more.  Nikon could have matched canon dollar for dollar on the d800 (with the 5d3) - their decision not to says to me this is a company that is getting a little desperate. 


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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: And what does Canon do?
« on: September 06, 2014, 12:32:00 AM »
It's the differences in IQ that I'm referring to. Features are a dime a dozen. ...

We use cameras to take pictures. When it comes to taking pictures, most Canon cameras have not changed much in YEARS as far as IQ is concerned.

We use cameras to take pictures, not just sensors (where have I heard that before?  ::) ).  Of all the pictures taken with a dSLR, what fraction would you say we're shot without autofocus?  Less than 2%?  Less than 0.2%?  The 40D got a big AF boost, in the T4i that was improvement reached the entry-level line.  The 7D had the best APS-C AF available, now in the xxD line, and if the rumored spec is true, the 7DII will once again have the best APS-C AF system.  The 1D X and 5DIII have top AF systems, and both are significant improvements over their predecessors. 

Better AF – more cross-type points, spread further across the frame, f/2.8 accuracy in the center, those 'dime-a-dozen' features translate directly to a higher rate of in-focus images.   So...does a blurry, misfocused image with 13 stops of DR have better IQ than a properly focused image with 2 stops less DR?  Are you going to take a blurry, misfocused image and lament over noise when you push the shadows...or just delete the image?

For the small minority (there's that word again) who's shooting style depends primarily on the sensor...tripod users shooting static scenes, Canon sensor IQ has improved only slightly...and as the many award-winning, awe-inspiring landscape scenes shot with Canon cameras will attest, the sensor IQ was excellent already.


I think people are clamoring for it. However they are clamoring for other products. The sheer number of new Nikon DSLRs being used with the black point hack in astrophotography...

I didn't say people aren't clamoring for it.  I said not many people, as in a minority of dSLR buyers, are clamoring for it.  "The sheer number of ... DSLRs being used ... in astrophotography...," LOL.  I know you later acknowledged it's a niche, but thanks for the laugh on the way there...

oh come now neuro, we all know what clients and buyers want...that is of course to pixel peep!  that is why I am gonna change what I show to clients from now on.  Instead of showing them an image, I will take an extremely small crop of a corner of the image.

I mean, the evidence is clear, see below...the first 2 are tiny crops of the bottom left and right corner...I mean who would want to buy that---it's so shadowy...I know...if only i had an exmor......don't even look at the 3rd, i mean, the 2 super crops should be enough to tell the story right?

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EOS Bodies / Re: Is Canon now two generations behind Nikon?
« on: September 04, 2014, 05:32:38 PM »
Why has this made it to page 30?
Because there is an extremely high correlation between Obsessive Compulsive Disorder and frequency of internet postings.
Take some OCD, coupled with a matter of life and death, plus a lack of humour.... throw in some raging testosterone and keep the whole mixture simmering over a troll baited flame.... Add DR for seasoning.... and you get enough posts to choke the server.
Don Haines
Posts: 3084
 ;)
And of those 3,084 posts, 3,083 have been cheerful, humorous, positive, constructive and/or peace-making. I'd say 3,084 were that way, but hey -- nobody's perfect.  :P
I was going to ask Mitch if he is experiencing Deja Moo... (The feeling that you have seen this bull before) :)
Unfocused: 2044 Posts. The only reason for posting this is to start one of those quote within a quote within a quote sequences that can look pretty cool when they get to about 20-30 quotes. Time to have some fun, demonstrate the absurdity of this thread and maybe break the Internet!
Neuroanatomist: just a few posts, really.
What? No one else wants to play?
I spy something with my little eye...
I can't, I am on a self imposed exile for a week or so. But, intriguingly enough, I have a friend coming to stay who has a D800 (shame it isn't an 810 or E though) and a 24-70 so I am hoping to do some comparison images for my own piece of mind.
What better to make of such a thread than a kaleidoscope....  :o
Good read to pass time... I wonder if the forum will eventually put a limit on how many levels you can quote, or run out of memory and crash...
Probably not—that's all just handled with CSS in your browser—but eventually it will probably get to the point where the innermost quoted message is only one character wide.  :D
That would be fun!
Not a Kaleidoscope, and not an Aneurysm, it's a Squirrel!
Really?
thank god...this will surely get this thread closed. please, please, please, please.....>.<
How many generations is this ?
It does get to the point that someone will grab his camera and snap a picture of this extensive semi-natural phenomenon that best resembles the great piramids of Egypt in 2D representation (or not so sexy airial photography).
By the way... that is one fine squirrel!  :o
It's funny how squirrels appear once there are enough nuts loose....
Did someone really just try to revive the topic on the pointless discussion it was about for 30 pages?  :) This is kind of fight fire with fire.... stop the bullshit with....  :o I kinda prefer piramids and kaleidoscopes. However, my ultimate goal would be to actually make it look like a squirrel  ;D
Let's not off topic too much otherwise the admin might lock it up. We are totally discussing on the topic. Canon two generations behind? Nah, wait till you see the dual pixel + dual sensitivity sensor is out. The patent regards to this is very interesting. This is the next gen. dual pixel sensor. They've managed to make the two half pixels having different FWC and sensitivity so it gives you high and low sensitivity at the same time without losing resolution. Just like human eye, rods and cones anyone?  ::) I am personally looking forward to this solution and how it compares with Sony's exmor.
Canon two generations behind? No. Two generations ago, Canon was two generations ahead. It took Nikon that long to catch up.
Let's stay focused here people (says "unfocused") We are starting to annoy the trolls. Yes!
perhaps we need nested squirrels to kill this thread...
Aren't there some rules about squirrels on this forum, regardless of whether they have a nest or not?  :o
Just Checking to see if this post makes the original one drop to 1-pixel wide. :P
Yeah! Even Jon is showing a sense of humor. There is still hope.
RLPhoto, were you upset that I put a Squirrel in your Kaleidoscope? Or that I didn't play by the standard rules of I Spy? (giving a hint before revealing the subject)
Still going? Even the squirrels are shaking their fists!

I think we may have completely swallowed the original post now. :P I don't even see it at all...

Wow...lol

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EOS Bodies / Re: Is Canon now two generations behind Nikon?
« on: September 03, 2014, 04:34:39 PM »
Quote from: Robert Brody
Also missing is the serious fact that Nikon's flash system is a lot nicer.

Yep, there's an unbiased guy who really knows what he's talking about.  To be fair, the 600EX-RT has only been out for a couple years, so maybe he's just not keeping up.

Besides, just dodge and burn in post. Make use of that sony DR rather than mucking around with off camera lighting.

sorry, but dodging and burning just won't give you the same effect as well positioned lighting

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