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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Nikon D750 to be Canon 5D3 competitor?
« on: September 08, 2014, 01:24:18 PM »
How about we all pitch in a few bucks/dollars/quid and buy dilbert a D800 for Christmas? Maybe he will finally stop complaining then, because I can't figure out why someone so unhappy with Canon and envious of Nikon wouldn't just switch and STFU :)

I'm 100% serious about this. I will pitch in the first $10 USD for dilbert's D800 fund. We just need 299 more people to pledge $10 USD to this altruistic cause. With the power of the internet, surely we can accomplish this!

wow...lol...i would almost do this but ---like a trainwreck it's kind of fun to read the rants....lol

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Nikon D750 to be Canon 5D3 competitor?
« on: September 08, 2014, 01:08:14 PM »
So, here's a few ideas based on multiple responses in this thread:

Regarding the market share argument ---  I'd say this is both a dead horse and a valid argument --- but thats exactly how I feel about the constant calls for Canon to answer the nikon (fill in the blank ), or the constant, talk of how so many are gonna switch (LOL, reality on that is that miost who do switch or add on a system won't be talking or bragging or complaining, they would be silently doing that.  Either way, it all comes right back to market share and sales - the way i see it it's the good old put your money where your mouth is - canon's sales figures do tell us that not enough people are putting their money where their mouths are (either by skipping model releases or buying other systems).  Conversely, nikon's sales figures don't speak towards large numbers of new users jumping into their system (i'd love to see some used market data - this may tell us more than the actual sales figures for new product - or not even used sales but used availability - is there a glut of canon glass and bodies on the market?  I don't see that, and, if there was a huge increase in supply of used caon gear then the cost of used gear would probably drop a bit too...not seeing that. 

Another poster, forget who it was and I'm not gonna search for it was saying something to the effect of - sales figures aren't as important as being competitive in the market.  Seriously???  A company can't be IN the market without positive sales figures.  Being competitive is great, but you gotta be smart with it and not jump the shark.  I still think nikon made a deal with the devil by partnering with sony for sensors.  Yes that gives them a kick ass sensor now, but it shifts the focus from nikon to sony.  With sony now putting that sensor in many other companies bodies, this effect gets multiplied.  If Nikon was better woth things like quality control, customer service, repairs then things may be a little different.  Note, I am also looking at the reality of nikons pricing - Nikon is most likely saving a ton of R&D money on sensors by partnering with sony - given that their product is extremely similar to canons - they should be charging the same price - but no, they are undercutting canon.  Which at first makes buyers happy, yeah, saved some $$$$...but then consider where the $$$ is going, if it's going to things like CPS and lens R&D and customer swervice/quality control, then yeah, I am wok paying a little more.  Nikon could have matched canon dollar for dollar on the d800 (with the 5d3) - their decision not to says to me this is a company that is getting a little desperate. 


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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: And what does Canon do?
« on: September 06, 2014, 12:32:00 AM »
It's the differences in IQ that I'm referring to. Features are a dime a dozen. ...

We use cameras to take pictures. When it comes to taking pictures, most Canon cameras have not changed much in YEARS as far as IQ is concerned.

We use cameras to take pictures, not just sensors (where have I heard that before?  ::) ).  Of all the pictures taken with a dSLR, what fraction would you say we're shot without autofocus?  Less than 2%?  Less than 0.2%?  The 40D got a big AF boost, in the T4i that was improvement reached the entry-level line.  The 7D had the best APS-C AF available, now in the xxD line, and if the rumored spec is true, the 7DII will once again have the best APS-C AF system.  The 1D X and 5DIII have top AF systems, and both are significant improvements over their predecessors. 

Better AF – more cross-type points, spread further across the frame, f/2.8 accuracy in the center, those 'dime-a-dozen' features translate directly to a higher rate of in-focus images.   So...does a blurry, misfocused image with 13 stops of DR have better IQ than a properly focused image with 2 stops less DR?  Are you going to take a blurry, misfocused image and lament over noise when you push the shadows...or just delete the image?

For the small minority (there's that word again) who's shooting style depends primarily on the sensor...tripod users shooting static scenes, Canon sensor IQ has improved only slightly...and as the many award-winning, awe-inspiring landscape scenes shot with Canon cameras will attest, the sensor IQ was excellent already.


I think people are clamoring for it. However they are clamoring for other products. The sheer number of new Nikon DSLRs being used with the black point hack in astrophotography...

I didn't say people aren't clamoring for it.  I said not many people, as in a minority of dSLR buyers, are clamoring for it.  "The sheer number of ... DSLRs being used ... in astrophotography...," LOL.  I know you later acknowledged it's a niche, but thanks for the laugh on the way there...

oh come now neuro, we all know what clients and buyers want...that is of course to pixel peep!  that is why I am gonna change what I show to clients from now on.  Instead of showing them an image, I will take an extremely small crop of a corner of the image.

I mean, the evidence is clear, see below...the first 2 are tiny crops of the bottom left and right corner...I mean who would want to buy that---it's so shadowy...I know...if only i had an exmor......don't even look at the 3rd, i mean, the 2 super crops should be enough to tell the story right?

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EOS Bodies / Re: Is Canon now two generations behind Nikon?
« on: September 04, 2014, 05:32:38 PM »
Why has this made it to page 30?
Because there is an extremely high correlation between Obsessive Compulsive Disorder and frequency of internet postings.
Take some OCD, coupled with a matter of life and death, plus a lack of humour.... throw in some raging testosterone and keep the whole mixture simmering over a troll baited flame.... Add DR for seasoning.... and you get enough posts to choke the server.
Don Haines
Posts: 3084
 ;)
And of those 3,084 posts, 3,083 have been cheerful, humorous, positive, constructive and/or peace-making. I'd say 3,084 were that way, but hey -- nobody's perfect.  :P
I was going to ask Mitch if he is experiencing Deja Moo... (The feeling that you have seen this bull before) :)
Unfocused: 2044 Posts. The only reason for posting this is to start one of those quote within a quote within a quote sequences that can look pretty cool when they get to about 20-30 quotes. Time to have some fun, demonstrate the absurdity of this thread and maybe break the Internet!
Neuroanatomist: just a few posts, really.
What? No one else wants to play?
I spy something with my little eye...
I can't, I am on a self imposed exile for a week or so. But, intriguingly enough, I have a friend coming to stay who has a D800 (shame it isn't an 810 or E though) and a 24-70 so I am hoping to do some comparison images for my own piece of mind.
What better to make of such a thread than a kaleidoscope....  :o
Good read to pass time... I wonder if the forum will eventually put a limit on how many levels you can quote, or run out of memory and crash...
Probably not—that's all just handled with CSS in your browser—but eventually it will probably get to the point where the innermost quoted message is only one character wide.  :D
That would be fun!
Not a Kaleidoscope, and not an Aneurysm, it's a Squirrel!
Really?
thank god...this will surely get this thread closed. please, please, please, please.....>.<
How many generations is this ?
It does get to the point that someone will grab his camera and snap a picture of this extensive semi-natural phenomenon that best resembles the great piramids of Egypt in 2D representation (or not so sexy airial photography).
By the way... that is one fine squirrel!  :o
It's funny how squirrels appear once there are enough nuts loose....
Did someone really just try to revive the topic on the pointless discussion it was about for 30 pages?  :) This is kind of fight fire with fire.... stop the bullshit with....  :o I kinda prefer piramids and kaleidoscopes. However, my ultimate goal would be to actually make it look like a squirrel  ;D
Let's not off topic too much otherwise the admin might lock it up. We are totally discussing on the topic. Canon two generations behind? Nah, wait till you see the dual pixel + dual sensitivity sensor is out. The patent regards to this is very interesting. This is the next gen. dual pixel sensor. They've managed to make the two half pixels having different FWC and sensitivity so it gives you high and low sensitivity at the same time without losing resolution. Just like human eye, rods and cones anyone?  ::) I am personally looking forward to this solution and how it compares with Sony's exmor.
Canon two generations behind? No. Two generations ago, Canon was two generations ahead. It took Nikon that long to catch up.
Let's stay focused here people (says "unfocused") We are starting to annoy the trolls. Yes!
perhaps we need nested squirrels to kill this thread...
Aren't there some rules about squirrels on this forum, regardless of whether they have a nest or not?  :o
Just Checking to see if this post makes the original one drop to 1-pixel wide. :P
Yeah! Even Jon is showing a sense of humor. There is still hope.
RLPhoto, were you upset that I put a Squirrel in your Kaleidoscope? Or that I didn't play by the standard rules of I Spy? (giving a hint before revealing the subject)
Still going? Even the squirrels are shaking their fists!

I think we may have completely swallowed the original post now. :P I don't even see it at all...

Wow...lol

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EOS Bodies / Re: Is Canon now two generations behind Nikon?
« on: September 03, 2014, 04:34:39 PM »
Quote from: Robert Brody
Also missing is the serious fact that Nikon's flash system is a lot nicer.

Yep, there's an unbiased guy who really knows what he's talking about.  To be fair, the 600EX-RT has only been out for a couple years, so maybe he's just not keeping up.

Besides, just dodge and burn in post. Make use of that sony DR rather than mucking around with off camera lighting.

sorry, but dodging and burning just won't give you the same effect as well positioned lighting

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EOS Bodies / Re: Is Canon now two generations behind Nikon?
« on: September 02, 2014, 12:08:51 PM »
seems odd to me that you so love what the exmor can do but won't buy a sony.  Why not rent it and see if you like it?  I mean, lets put it like this ---do you value your time?  Looking at all your rather lengthy posts, lets put it on a dollar scale ---if you value your time at lets say at least $25-50 an hour, just what you've posted in this topic alone covers the rental cost.  Then you can see if the lossy RAW is worse than the Canon Raw in the shadows.  Many seem to like the A7r for landscape work, and if you are right and canon sensors are so horrible then for printing big then even a lossy exmor should be better then right?  Regadless, why not rent it and see, then rent a d810 and see....if the difference for your work is that big then buy one.

Well, for one, it doesn't take me long to write a post. I type nearly at the speed of thought..so... I could probably write a WOT in the time it takes most people to write one smaller post. :P

We'll see. Next time I get a chance to spend a week in the mountains, I'll rent both.

WOw...speed of thought....if you can type that fast I am sure you could get paid quite well just to type!....lol...Either way, I think folks here are lot less against the nikon tech than you think, we just aren't seeing the need for it as much as you because we aren't shooting as many landscapes.  I do shoot landscapes from time to time, and waterscapes, I do dig throwing a big ND filter on and turning day into night...but that isn't my bread and butter - so I buy what I need for my work.  Would I like and extra stop of DR for that stuff...sure, but, for my professional work, I actually embrace the shadow.  More than not, I will darken the shadows to enhance the mood.  For what I do, good control over off camera light is way more important to me than having more DR...

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EOS Bodies / Re: Is Canon now two generations behind Nikon?
« on: September 02, 2014, 11:43:31 AM »
Again jrista, I don't see it. You've have no reason at this point not to adopt the a7r, it's a fantastic camera with basically identical IQ that doesn't require a full adoption. I like end results and the a7r gives a better end result than 5d3 for your landscapes.

Call it in, and hang up the phone on the DR posts. I mean you probably could have wrote war & peace with a stop wedge by now.

I think all jrista wants is the DR of the Sony sensors in Canon bodies, because the Sony bodies have a wealth of disadvantages that far outweigh the sensor (IMO at least).  You can't take a picture with just a sensor, and Sony is inferior with nearly all of those other aspects of the camera/lens.  If Canon incorporates an improved sensor in a future EOS camera, it would be the best of both worlds.

Best of both worlds is what I'm after. In the long run, if Canon doesn't drop a new sensor into their models next year, then an A7r might just be the solution. I agree that Sony bodies have a wealth of disadvantages...but, ultimately, I only really need it for landscapes...so the majority of those disadvantages (except the crappy RAW format) would really be a problem.

That's WHY the a7r is an awesome option - it gives you a chance to get your feet wet with more res and DR without committing to a full system swtich, or more expensive, adding the nikon to your kit.  As you said,AF is pretty much useless for landscape work, so using the adapter shouldn't be an issue

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EOS Bodies / Re: Is Canon now two generations behind Nikon?
« on: September 02, 2014, 11:41:08 AM »
I don't get it jrista. Just go a buy a d810+14-24mm and be done with it. Why continue with the long posts?

Eh, I dunno. I don't have infinite money. I can either buy a QSI683 CCD camera, which is about four grand. Or, I could buy a D810+14-24mm, which is about $5300. I also need to pick up a larger telescope, which is going to be about a grand. The D810+14-24 would eat into the budget for that as well.

Ditto with RLP - or just go get an A7r with adaptor (keep your canon glass). 

I'll never buy a Sony camera so long as they use a lossy compressed file format. Maybe that's just more of the high standards crap...I dunno. But, there it is.

But, I keep readfing your posts and can't help but think ---what did you expect????  the 5d3 is primarily an event/low light camera - that's what it was designed for and it does excel at that.  You want to do more landscapes, great, go do it - and don't be so scared to just get what you need.  What's on the market is on the market as it were.  Canon has what it has, Nikon has what it has, Sony has what it has.  Screaming at canon will not make the product your demanding appear.  Money will talk though.  If sales of A7's leap, and research finds it's owners of lots of canon glass that's buying them, that will make canon take notice.  Writing books on a forum that isn't even part of Canon is just blowing steam. 

I guess I disagree that the 5D III was only intended as an event/low light camera. The 5D II was the most popular landscape DSLR on the planet until the D800 came along. It's one of only two cameras in Canon's current lineup that really offers what's needed for landscapes anyway...large frame, high megapixel count...well, certainly lacking in the DR area. The 6D is the other option...but it lacks in the areas for all my other kinds of photography. Ironically, the 6D has 26.8e- RN, and does even better at high ISO than the 5D III...really confused as to why Canon did not put the 6D image sensor and readout pipeline into the 5D III...the latter did not come out much later after the 5D III...

seems odd to me that you so love what the exmor can do but won't buy a sony.  Why not rent it and see if you like it?  I mean, lets put it like this ---do you value your time?  Looking at all your rather lengthy posts, lets put it on a dollar scale ---if you value your time at lets say at least $25-50 an hour, just what you've posted in this topic alone covers the rental cost.  Then you can see if the lossy RAW is worse than the Canon Raw in the shadows.  Many seem to like the A7r for landscape work, and if you are right and canon sensors are so horrible then for printing big then even a lossy exmor should be better then right?  Regadless, why not rent it and see, then rent a d810 and see....if the difference for your work is that big then buy one.

 

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EOS Bodies / Re: Is Canon now two generations behind Nikon?
« on: September 02, 2014, 11:29:44 AM »
I bought a D800 after reading the hype.  It was a waste of money, I sold it and bought a 5D MK III.  The D800 appeals to armchair spec readers, but few that actually use one are happy.

Really?

And you interviewed how many D800 owners to come up with this conclusion???

If you prefer Canon over Nikon, great.  Lots of people do.  But to make a generalization like that is a bit much.

Is it really so hard to admit that some people like their Nikons just like some people like their Canons?

different tools for different things man.  In the wedding industry here, the d800 took a while to catch on.  Most nikon guys I knew were opting for a d3s or a d4 or a used d700.  The few that did snag a d800 did like it for the posed formal shots, but stayed away from making that the primary camera ---not because of IQ or capabilities but because of file size.  More of that crowd is snagging d810's now, because it is a better camera than the original model, and because it's a few years later - the d4s is pricey and their d700's are reaching the end of their cycles....so they are buying the d810 now because they don't have much choice. 

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EOS Bodies / Re: Is Canon now two generations behind Nikon?
« on: September 01, 2014, 04:13:29 PM »

Don Haines, I'm with you.  I'd much rather spend my hours having positive thoughts.  .......People can be very fickle.  Now I hear complaints that a Canon camera may not have WiFi.  When I was researching, everyone was cursing the 6D because it had this useless WiFi and GPS and the on-off switch was over on the left.  So, what more can I say. ;) Jack



I agree with Jack and Don. But some people do appear to want to be fickle. And here comes jrista   ;D




I agree that people find dumb little things to complain about with every camera. [got to agree with you on that J - 8) ] ....... For me, I've literally been waiting for Canon to really improve their IQ since I first got into photography. I'd researched and new all the technical tidbits before I got the 450D. [glad to hear you knew it all J, I was beginning to think perhaps you didn't know half as much as you think you know :-[ ]......... and that was when I really started hoping Canon would have competitive DR in the 5D III...it never happened.[How do you think other people manage to take stunning images with the 5D iii? Do you think they don't know as much as you? Do you think they are satisfied with sub standard images and you just have MUCH higher standards? Do you think maybe they are just better at using the camera than you? ::) ]

I'm sorry if I'm venting frustrations, but I'm frustrated. I've been waiting for Canon to fix their noise problems for YEARS. Since, what, 2008? It's topped six and a half years now. How long does a guy have to wait, and keep his mouth shut? [when are you going to try keeping your mouth shut? :) :) :) ] .......  Being a guy with a pure Canon kit that probably tops $25,000 in total personal cost...that's very frustrating. ............. It just sucks. :P



I tell you what really sucks J. Someone who knew it all years ago spending $25,000 on kit that he is not happy with. I know one thing J, if I had been unhappy with a camera system for over 6 years firstly I would NOT have spent $25,000 on it secondly I would have have changed system a long time ago.


The reality of it is that Canon and Nikon both make superb cameras and lenses. Each has their strong points each has their weaknesses. And many people will have different opinions, criteria and priorities. At the point of buying you make a choice.


J - for someone who seems to like to think they know "all the technical tidbits" your posts are rather emotional rather than logical.


I never said I'm unsatisfied with my kit. I am only unsatisfied with the 5D III. My expensive kit is fine for all my action photography, I have no problem with it for all of that. I certainly do not regret it. I DID, however, buy the 5D III in part to get back into landscapes, and it hasn't improved one little IOTA as far as landscape IQ goes.

I'm only complaining about a $3000 piece of equipment that is hyped up a bit more than it should be, IMO. That's it.

The other thing your misunderstanding is that it is not impossible to take stunning photos with the 5D III. It's that it's a hell of a lot more WORK to create stunning images with the 5D III. I already spend a ton of time on astrophotography. It's absolutely necessary there, astrophotography is really more about the processing than all the time spent gathering the data in the first place. Having to spend umpteen additional hours processing landscape photos, because Canon's sensor technology really hasn't changed at all in six years, is what really sucks.

Get your facts strait before you go off an insult someone.  ::) Back when I first bought into Canon, I DID know what I needed to know. They were making the best cameras available. What I did not know was that Canon would just...stop progressing on the sensor IQ front. If I put hours into processing, I can extract the most out of my 5D III. I don't want to spend hours processing. These days, I honestly don't think I should HAVE to spend hours processing. These days, I do expect that Canon should be just around the corner from releasing something that leapfrogs them into the modern world of significantly improved low ISO IQ.

My truly honest opinion is Canon is NOT going to be doing that with the 7D II...and I have my very strong doubts about them doing it with the next 5D or 1D model.

I don't get it jrista. Just go a buy a d810+14-24mm and be done with it. Why continue with the long posts?

Ditto with RLP - or just go get an A7r with adaptor (keep your canon glass). 

But, I keep readfing your posts and can't help but think ---what did you expect????  the 5d3 is primarily an event/low light camera - that's what it was designed for and it does excel at that.  You want to do more landscapes, great, go do it - and don't be so scared to just get what you need.  What's on the market is on the market as it were.  Canon has what it has, Nikon has what it has, Sony has what it has.  Screaming at canon will not make the product your demanding appear.  Money will talk though.  If sales of A7's leap, and research finds it's owners of lots of canon glass that's buying them, that will make canon take notice.  Writing books on a forum that isn't even part of Canon is just blowing steam. 

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Lenses / Re: Permanent price drops
« on: August 31, 2014, 02:49:02 AM »
I'm curious how this will affect the secondary market.  I wonder how soon people will make their market corrections.  Very interesting.

was wondering the same thing.good time to buy used, sucky to sell though.  Gotta wonder if there will be a little less available used for a bit

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EOS Bodies / Re: Do Sensors Make the Camera?
« on: August 29, 2014, 02:08:10 PM »
Chuck, if you can't see that the middle one should be the best, that's just sad.  I say 'should be' only because it's hopelessly marred by the horrible noise and banding where you lifted the shadows.  If only you had shot it with a modern Exmor sensor instead of a Canon sensor made with antiquated technology, you could have produced a noise-free image with the perfectly flat lighting that's the hallmark of good photography.

 ;)

LOL!!!!

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EOS Bodies / Re: Do Sensors Make the Camera?
« on: August 29, 2014, 01:13:36 PM »
Something that has been bugging me for a while now reading all these DR posts ---I get why for some uses shadows are the enemy and must be lifted to unnatural levels - but - what about those of us who shoot other things where shadows are part of the image (not to be lifted --- dare I say, darkened?)

For portraiture and weddings, shadows help create drama.  When I started on this path of photography I tried hard to eliminate shadows completely.  the whole face must show.  If I had stayed on that path then maybe I'd have switched to nikon.  But, kind of once I got into learning about off camera lighting, I found that shadows are very useful.  They help to sculpt an image.

here's an example ---image out of cam, image with shadows pulled to 100%, and shadows reduced by 100%  Of course I wouldn't just do that but, the one with shadows reduced is more the look I'd be going for.  I'd WAnt the left half of the grooms face to be darker, and same for the bride, with a bit of highlight increase on the light side of the faces.  It gives the images more depth.

also, should be noted that another thing went into that shot --- the st-e3 and 2 600RT's - settings for the shot - 85mm at 1.8...flashes set on HSS, SS of 1250, ISO 200 ----does the sensor make the camera? 

Again, I get that for certain kinds of photography shadows are the enemy.  But not all kinds...

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EOS Bodies / Re: Do Sensors sell the Camera?
« on: August 29, 2014, 12:25:45 PM »
Let me rephrase the question a bit for you...

And answer that by saying that since the 5DII, I haven't seen a Canon camera with a sensor that was significantly better enough for me to want to buy it or recommend it to anyone.
if you recommend a camera system based upon a sensor, then i wouldn't want a hear a recommendation from you anyways.

i would look at whether or not the system fits the person, support, service, used market in the area, what they want to shoot; and recommend based upon that.

a sensor? wont' be as relevant as the above would be in 2-4 years time.

In 2-4 years time, I expect people with Sony/Nikon cameras to be taking and editing photographs that Canon people simply can't - at least not with the same level of detail and color. I fully expect Sony/Nikon cameras to have 15, if not 16, bit ADCs in 4 years time. As for the system? They'll fill that in. The vast majority of users don't need more than a handful of lenses - thus "a system" that has macro, T/S, etc, is meaningless to the average photographer that will buy a camera plus lens kit and use that for the next n years without buying anything else. How many people is that? There's a thread on here somewhere... the number of people that buy extra lenses is less than 10%. i.e the "system" is meaningless to 90%+ of the people that buy Canon cameras.

I usually take the time to read the whole topic before commenting but there are too many new topics and too many replies...so starting here!

Your assertion makes a a lot of unhealthy assumptions - the biggest one is about what the average/majority of DSLR want/need.  The benefits of all that DR don't make a big impact unless you post process an image.  IE, if you don't shoot in RAW and don't use any software to push those shadows then how does having the ability to push them help you?  The benefit of all that DR is  that it gives you more information to work with in post.  The majority of the market, especially those you speak of (the one body one lens crowd, the ones who won't care about specialty lenses ---- the ones that will shoot in P mode with all AF points active....).

The people who do care about things like DR are the ones who are in the lower 10%, the serious users that want specialty items - but even in that category you only find that the NEED for DR only matters if you have a particular style of shooting - one that needs lots of shadow boosting. 



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EOS Bodies / Re: Is Canon now two generations behind Nikon?
« on: August 29, 2014, 12:14:48 PM »
D800 -> D810

The 5dm3 is looking really old.

What?????  ok, I know you're not supposed to feed the trolls but...  the d810 is barely an upgrade, it's meant to fix bugs in the d800 and d800e.  The d900 isn't out and about.  While I have heard that many nikonians are very pleased with the d810, it is forcing lots of d800 users to sell and upgrade (at a premium mind you - $3300!).  With that said...it's the same generation of body as the 5d3, 1dx and the 6d. 

2 generations behind???? Only if you have a serious case of DRenvy

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