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Gear nerds will wish for better IQ and DR.  Casual users won'[t], and that is the vast majority of the entry level market.

I must not be alone in having heard many times (not necessarily about my work): wow, nice photo, you must have a nice camera.

To most people who don't pursue photography, there is an expected link between quality of gear and quality of result. Of course there is a value decision, but casual buyers don't want low-quality images, and many are willing to pay higher prices on the assumption that doing so will improve their results.

Very true.  I used to get offended when people said that to me!   Really all I'm saying is that 75% of the stuff we talk about here would go right over the heads of those of most entry level DSLR buyers and yes, users!!! 

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I absolutely don't think better image quality is the key to survival - since so few people seem to know or care what that is (assuming is can be objectively discussed at all). I see people very happy with shots I find execrable - they care about the content more than the dynamic range, sharpness, composition or whatever.

+100

Gear nerds will wish for better IQ and DR.  Casual users won'y, and that is the vast majority of the entry level market.  DR really only makes a difference for post processing - and yeah, how many causal users actually do any post processing?  If they do, are they shooting in RAW?    I'd dare say that most entry level users are shooting in jpeg, have 1 memory card that never leaves the camera.  Connectivity will be the thing that breathes life into the market.  I'd look for wifi, and simple file sharing (either through better phone to camera action, or direct from camera!) to be in rebels.  dual Pixel will trickle both up and down - and IQ and DR will follow, but in a trickle down manner.  New sensors aren't being made directly for rebels, the new tech will be in the pro bodies first.  We may see some of that in the 7d2.  But any of this tech is most liekly being designed with FF sensors in mind first!

Either way, I know we geeks would love to think that everyone values the same stuff as we do, but in reality - we geeks are the minority.

Even when it comes to pro shooting - like weddings - how many times are the crisp, post shot gets overlooked by the client in favor of a slightly out of focus/ overexposed/ poorly composed candid of the bride and groom laughing, or a hug...sometimes emotion trumps IQ and technical correctness!


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Reviews / Re: DxO reviews Sony A7s: king of low light photography?
« on: August 05, 2014, 12:37:28 PM »
This guy really doesn't get it... it's hopeless!

Hey, don't blame me - I'm not the one asserting that extra stops of DR and information in the image files is wasted, it is others. The only problem is that it would seem that all of those bits that they say you don't need are actually used by them anyway.

If people would stop trying to belittle and put down Sony's sensors because they deliver and offer more DR then it would be a whole lot easier. This is where the problems stem from: trying to assert that what comes off the Sony sensors is no better than the Canon's.

I'm pretty sure that if I tried, I could use Google and find threads on here where various people have waxed lyrical (and received support for) about Canon producing sensors with fewer larger pixels with more DR and better IQ - especially in low light. Well guess what, Sony has done that.

But instead of accepting that and congratulating Sony on doing it, people are arguing about how all of that extra DR and IQ is not necessary. What a load of horse sh*t.

wow....

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Reviews / Re: DxO reviews Sony A7s: king of low light photography?
« on: August 03, 2014, 07:15:10 PM »
So they do downsampling until the camera they want to be better is better...  :o don't know.... sounds strange, but is not subjective at all  ;)

No.

They are using the case where you are using both cameras to print out an image of the same size as their rationale.

They've been downsampling for as long as they've been doing sensor reviews.

The significance of that is that an 8MP image fills an A4 page at 300dpi.

So their "normalisation" is "downsize to fit on a piece of paper that people will print on at home."

That seems like a perfectly sensible thing to do to me.

So what does it mean? It means that the image taken with the D800e will look better when you print it out on your A4 printer at home than if you used the 1DX. Or for your magazine or...

If you have ever actually done any REAL printing, you would understand how ludicrous this statement is.

I don't print, I use professional printers that have top of the line equipment, not random inkjet printers.

You do realize that professional commercial print labs use the commercial grade Canon imageProGraf and Epson Stylus ink jet printers, right? The majority of "professional" prints that come from labs were printed on your "random" ink jet printers. There are a few places in the past that used to use Iris Giclee printers, however Giclee is just ink jet, and Iris printers were practically run out of town by Epson. There are a few photographic printers out there, one that use light to expose photographic paper and use a chemical processing and fixing procedure, but those are FAR less common than the "random" ink jet printers. ;)

I'd be willing to bet every print you've ever had professionally printed came off of an Epson, Canon, or possibly HP printer.

I was hoping that would be pointed out - this is the lab I go through - http://iprintfromhome.com/#n

Love the quality.

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Reviews / Re: DxO reviews Sony A7s: king of low light photography?
« on: August 03, 2014, 02:41:22 PM »
oh my, missed this one.  6 pages of DXO v reality the remix.  Time to make some popcorn and see what's said...

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon to Make a Big Splash at Photokina? [CR2]
« on: August 02, 2014, 06:15:34 PM »

That is the topic of maaaaany threads on this forum.  Does Canon really need 4+ APS-C body price points?  What about low/middle/high setup for APS-C and the same for FF?   What happened to APS-H?  What about a completely stripped down FF model with one AF point?

IMO, even six is probably too many.  They should have one consumer crop body and one pro crop body, plus one pro FF, and optionally one consumer FF.  Make the pro model(s) available in your choice of gripped or non-gripped form factors, but with otherwise identical guts.  There's just not enough product differentiation to support 6 or more bodies.  It drives up R&D costs without providing much customer benefit.

I tend to disagree here.  I think there's room for the segmentation of the lines, more room even especially at the top.  I look at the 1dx and say, wow, amazing camera, but much of what it can do is beyond the needs a great meany shooters who don't need extremely high fps and extra advanced tracking for fast moving subjects.  1 pro body makes for a jack of all trades body.  I know many would love a more dedicated landscape body.  Other's don't need the fps but do need the low light capability. 

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: D810 vs. 3D
« on: August 02, 2014, 03:21:00 PM »
stated simply, existing camera vs hypothetical camera.  If you can't have patience just go buy the nikon!!!

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon to Make a Big Splash at Photokina? [CR2]
« on: July 31, 2014, 03:23:01 PM »
Canon made revolution  few years ago. Currently it is a stagnant company, which still focuses significant aattention to dying P&S market. Product cycle for semi-pro and pro products is very long and shows that Canon does not sufficiently invest in R&D as other companies. Canon started loosing in the following areas:

1) Mirrorless market - they loose to Fuji, Olympus, Sony;
2) Sensor technology - loosing to Sony;
3) Lenses - starting to loose to Sigma and Tamron as these 2 companies started producing high quality lenses, which match or in some cases exceed qulity of Canon lenses (e.g. Sigma 50 mm 1.4 Art, Tamron 24-70 2.8 VC) for affordable price.

Losing is a tough way to put it.  Being #1 means you have many mouths to feed -- not just enthusiasts and pros in a forum.  I'm truly curious to see what chunk of Canon's business folks like us in this forum (and like-minded shooters not in this forum) actually represent to them.

Also, advances in one small segment of the photography world does not make Fuji, Olympus, Sony, Sigma and Tamron the 'team to beat'.  It means that they have had success in one small segment of the photography world.  That's all.

And lest we forget, the company arguably most revered for its innovation and 'firsts in the industry' -- Sony -- can't seem to understand photographers well enough to produce a top-to-bottom well thought out camera that is free of non-trivial flaws.  They seem predisposed to come up with something cool and useful (that I might want!), shoot it out to the market half-cocked, and under-deliver.  What's worse is that they don't seem to learn from this, and they just shoot out another version in record time with similarly iffy results. 

So it's more than who is on a roll or has the best team or most innovative pipeline -- I want the company that most consistently satisfies its customers.  Bleeding edge innovation isn't my driver.  I want a camera/system that does exactly what I want it to do.  Canon may be slow, but they have never let me down with what they have delivered.

- A
When I jumped ship from Olympus to Canon, the choice was Canon or Nikon. Canon had the lenses that I liked and when it came to the user interface, there was no comparison...Canon let me do what I wanted easily, Nikon had me diving into menus... I went Canon

As things stand today, for my purposes everything about the Canons is superior to the Nikon and Sony offerings except for the sensors and I expect the gap to narrow drastically or even disappear soon.

Look at the clues...

Clue #1: Canon sensors are inferior to Nikon/Sony. Everyone knows that. You can bet that the people at Canon know that too.
Clue #2: Canon executives have hinted that something big or revolutionary is coming.
Clue #3: The 7D2 has been delayed for "production reasons".. We know it isn't just making another copy of the 70D sensor with a few more or less pixels.. it has to be something else.
Clue #4: The delay is NOT DPAF. It is here and in production in the 70D. Being a lower cost camera and stocked and sold in general consumer stores, it is a safe bet that 70D sales will exceed that of the 7D2 AND the entire FF lineup. A bit more for a 7D2 will not matter.
Clue #5: Canon has sensor fabrication facilities that work on much finer lithography than the APS-C and FF sensors of today. Pick up a Canon P/S camera for proof....
Clue #6: P/S sales are declining and this means extra capacity is opening up on those finer lithography production lines...
Clue #7: We know that by going to row or column A/D on the sensor that they could drastically drop noise and increase the DR of their sensors. You can bet that Canon knows this too.

My bet is that the delays in 7D2 production are due to moving the A/D onto sensors with finer lithography. This has to happen at some point and now is the logical time. I would expect a rapid refresh of the FF lineup after this.

Correct me here if I am wrong with this conclusion --- but in all the posts i have read here regarding the internals of a camera body --- heat is a factor in the quantity of noise, which would harm sharpness and overall IQ. 

Correct me if I am wrong yet again, but, is it conceivable that canon bodies could improve IQ by finding more ways to reduce heat inside the camera body?   Just tossing ideas out there...

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon to Make a Big Splash at Photokina? [CR2]
« on: July 31, 2014, 03:18:01 PM »
Canon made revolution  few years ago. Currently it is a stagnant company, which still focuses significant aattention to dying P&S market. Product cycle for semi-pro and pro products is very long and shows that Canon does not sufficiently invest in R&D as other companies. Canon started loosing in the following areas:

1) Mirrorless market - they loose to Fuji, Olympus, Sony;
2) Sensor technology - loosing to Sony;
3) Lenses - starting to loose to Sigma and Tamron as these 2 companies started producing high quality lenses, which match or in some cases exceed qulity of Canon lenses (e.g. Sigma 50 mm 1.4 Art, Tamron 24-70 2.8 VC) for affordable price.

Losing is a tough way to put it.  Being #1 means you have many mouths to feed -- not just enthusiasts and pros in a forum.  I'm truly curious to see what chunk of Canon's business folks like us in this forum (and like-minded shooters not in this forum) actually represent to them.  5%?  10%?

Also, advances in one small segment of the photography world does not make Fuji, Olympus, Sony, Sigma and Tamron the 'team to beat'.  It means that they have had success in one small segment of the photography world.  That's all.

And lest we forget, the company arguably most revered (of late) for its innovation and 'firsts in the industry' -- Sony -- can't seem to understand photographers well enough to produce a top-to-bottom well thought out camera that is free of non-trivial flaws.  They seem predisposed to come up with something cool and useful (that I might want!), shoot it out to the market half-cocked, and under-deliver.  What's worse is that they don't seem to learn from this, and they just shoot out another version in record time with similarly iffy results. 

So it's more than who is on a roll or has the best team or most innovative pipeline -- I want the company that most consistently satisfies its customers.  Bleeding edge innovation isn't my driver.  Saying I have one more stop of dynamic range than my friend with a Nikon isn't my driver.  Believing I have the best camera that has ever been made isn't my driver.  I want a camera/system that does exactly what I want it to do.  Canon may be slow, but they have never let me down with what they have delivered.

- A

-10 for use of sound logic....you know that has no place here!!!!  lol

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EOS Bodies / Re: 7D now marked as DISCONTINUED at Amazon
« on: July 26, 2014, 01:15:07 PM »
We have previously seen reports of discontinued notices, so its not surprising that amazon is finally running out.

Canon has likely had their factory churning out the Mark II's for some time.  It takes a few months to build up a backlog big enough to send stock all around the world.

Canon must be pretty confident that sales will take off.  I plan to pass and wait for the next FF.  I expect a $1799 price, and that's too much for a crop body.  If it were under $1000, maybe.

agreed on the first 2 points.  And like you I will be passing on this - but not due to price - I just rarely find the need for more fps than my 5d3 has (and I shoot on silent mode 95% of the time).  The reach would be nice for some scenarios, but, overall I just don't do the type of shooting the 7d series is geared towards.

I do have to disagree on price though - at least your statement about being interested if it were under $1000.  If it were under 1K it would not be a worthwhile release, no new nothing really, it would be a 70D with weather sealing.  I am hoping it is a 2k+ PRO crop body.  LOL, I will still pass on it because I don't shoot sports or wildlife, but, if it's a 2K body then it will display some of the new tech that will be in the new FF bodies, and that does excite me!

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You'd think they'd put AFMA in it.  It counts as a good user feature but really it also helps Canon increase user satisfaction by letting owners fix any minor manufacturing boo boos themselves. 

Why wouldn't they do that?  Otherwise most people with slightly out of whack lenses or bodies just suffer with it and tell people their Canon just wasn't very sharp.  Maybe they buy a Pentax next time. 

Then others have to deal with the hassle of sending their body and one favorite lens off for adjustment at Canon which is no fun for either the owner or for Canon, and it is all avoidable if they'd just include AFMA.

If the ketchup companies are smart enough to add "shake well before serving" to their labels, so that the user is more likely to have a positive experience with their condiments, why would a camera maker leave out AFMA?

If I were canon, the thought of allowing afma to the mass population of ma and pa photographers would be terrifying to me and my call centers.  Afma is a great tool for those who know how to use it, but any increase in my call center activity would reduce my profit margin on the rebel line.  Enthusiasts, sure offer this option to allow them to grow with their camera.  Most who can afford a single digit model probably have an idea of what they are doing.  Mainstream usually has no clue what they are doing, but they don't know it.  All they know is that if they screw it up, it would be canon's fault for making such crappy gear and social media would spread that word.

Utter nonsense.

If anything, it might reduce calls, since it is VERY common that lens and body are not matched and at least this might allow a few to get things matched. And it's just NOT rocket science, it's ridiculous how fearful everyone has become of any with a hint of tech over the last couple decades, everything has been dumbed down and then dumbed down some more.

And if someone is not capable of resetting to zero, if they mess it up, then they are not capable of using a DSLR in the first place. I mean how hard is it to simply hit reset or place MFA back to 0? If you can turn the knob to +3 or -3 you can also turn it back to 0.

food for thought from another topic ---http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=21908.msg417183;topicseen#new ---  only 5% of the buying public buys more than 1 lens apparently.  That leaves 95% with a kit lens.  What to venture a bet as to what percentage of that 95% never even take a peek at their manual? What percentage of that 95% even knows what an AF point is?  LOL....that is why AFMA won't be in a rebel!  How many users are in P mode would end up messing with their AFMA because they have blurry shots -  because they don't know their shooting at a slow SS?  Or because the AF is locking on to other things (all point active!!!).  I would love to have more faith in humanity that this wouldn't happen, but, time and time again I get questions from the first time DSLR user and yup, theynever even opened the manual, hell they don't know where it is and ----yeah they look at me like I'm Satan for asking....I paid $$$$ for this and it should just work.  UGGGGGG....no no no no no....AFMA just has no place in the rebel line....

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EOS Bodies / Re: High Megapixel EOS on the Way as Mentioned by Canon
« on: July 23, 2014, 04:29:24 PM »

Because, there are survey results 4-5% of customers who bought the kit lens is that it does not use only kit lens.


Would indeed be interesting to see an accurate translation of this. Do 5% never buy another lens? If so that is an amazing stst

I could believe that easily 4-5% never buy another lens.  I know people with DSLRs that bought a kit and are just fine with their kit zoom.  They take pictures only once in a while such as on a trip or at some big event.  It just depends on how much they get into photography.

I sincerely doubt it means 4-5% don't buy lens(es) beyond the kit.  The lens + body sales milestones (100M lenses, 70M bodies) aren't consistent with that interpretation.

Unless those 4-5% are each buying multiple lenses. I mean, personally, I have purchased five different lenses than the 18-55mm lens that came with my original 450D kit. I know I'm not even remotely close to a "lens collector", as many people are.

Another thing I'd bet is, Canon only accounts for new lenses other than the kit bought. I am quite certain that more than 5% of DSLR buyers also buy other lenses, but I think there is a very significant market for used lenses. I'd be willing to bet that at least 30% of Canon DSLR owners buy another lens, and the majority of them buy one used.

Used Market - I was wondering if those #'s were in there at all.  Yeah person to person sales wouldn't be able to be tracked, but, used sales from Canon direct (refurbs) and from major distributors like B&H could quite easily be tracked so do those sales get factored in to this equation, or does it only count for NEW lenses?

And yeah, I could see this equation playing out pretty on target - 95% have only one lens...  the remaining 4.999% has between 2-10 lenses!....lol...  .0000000001% has more than 10 or crazy expensive super tele's

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Canon General / Re: New Speedlite Coming? [CR2]
« on: July 20, 2014, 12:30:12 AM »
Why not?  Did the non-RT 430 not exist alongside the non-RT 580?  One had more power and sold for more.  It didn't hurt the 580.

It's about what you can sell. Till the 600, Canon historically had high and mid level flashes co-existing, as did Nikon. Since they brought out the 600, people have been expecting a smaller RT-enabled unit to come out any day (for more than two years now).
At this point, people have sort of accepted that they have to get the 600 if they want RT- and it is such a desirable feature people are ponying up the cash. So providing a mid level RT-enabled unit now makes less sense to me.
At the end of the day, I keep emphasizing on "to me" because I don't have all the market research data Canon does. So we will find out, I guess.

I get what your saying, but, isn't it at all conceivable that part of canons strategy is to put the RT out there, give one option for a time, sell as many as you can to get people into the system. 

But also, why would they put any effort into rebranding a mid-level flash if it didn't have RT?  Just leave it as is.  If a new one is coming though, i highly doubt it won't be RT.  It will differentiate in the same way 430's differentiated from 580's (less power, slave only - the usual gimping).  I don't think it will hurt sales for 600's, same way 430's didn't kill 580's.  IMO - It just makes no sense to put any energy into designing a new flash to sit below the 600 without RT - unless they have a RT hotshoe adaptor on the way too...

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Canon General / Re: New Speedlite Coming? [CR2]
« on: July 17, 2014, 11:47:05 PM »
Wow, no one stating the blindingly obvious feature that canon should put in all their flashes ----come on now, how hard is it to put a freaking battery meter in there?  It would be so awesome to be setting up my lighting and turn the units on and know....ohhh it's got 3/4 power left, no need to change batteries, or wow, 1/4 left, better put some new ones in.  The 600 really really should have that!!!  so I won't hold my breath on a 400 series flash having such a simple feature --------- it really boggles my mind why it's not there.  Maybe I'm the only one that's bugged my this????

Yes please, good point Chuck!  I'll take that too.  To take the point further though, I don't understand why Canon doesn't give us a dedicated battery for the flash.  It could then be chipped like the body batteries and you'd always know how much power is left and what shape the battery is in.  I can understand the old "it's versatile cause you can buy AA batteries anywhere" but that is so 1960s thinking.  Everything has dedicated batteries so why not our flashes?  And if one big battery could be made "Eneloop style", it'd probably pump out more power than a quad of AAs.
Enough with fumbling with a pile of AA batteries I say.   

lets not forget that if you have a grip, it comes with the AA adaptor so you can run your camera on that...ya gotta figure if one 5d3 battery can power the body for a few thousand shots, one of those in a speedlight could go for a week!

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Landscape / Re: Sunset landscape
« on: July 17, 2014, 05:28:11 PM »
the sky last night was freaking uber ridiculous!

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