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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Not Coming? [CR1]
« on: December 14, 2013, 02:10:50 PM »
Probably has more to do with the Canon 6d reaching the 1500.00 dollar price mark (and sometimes lower).  If the 7d mark ii comes in over that it, it becomes maybe a niche commodity that doesn't sell all that well.  I think the market looks at full frame as the complete item.  The biggest reason for crop was affordability and if it loses that it could be phased out.

My taughts exactly. I beleive that both Nikon (D400) and Canon (7DMk ii) are realising that these models wouldn't sell as much anymore as they could have 3/4 years ago.

Nah. The 6D is absolutely NO alternative for the 7D. The frame size has nothing to do with the purpose of the 7D, so the price point of the 6D has no bearing on whether we will see a 7D II or not. Canon has also shown little interest in directly competing model for model with their competitors...the 7D has long held a fairly unique position in the DSLR world, and not even the D300S was ever really comparable. There is a huge amount of pent up anticipation for the 7D II, and I honestly can't imagine Canon ignoring that.

The true full-frame counterpart of the 7D is the 1D X, not the trying to draw parallels between the two is almost laughable.

Gotta agree here, with the one exception that the 5d3 would be meshed in the middle there (The true full-frame counterpart of the 7D is the 1D X, and ato a lesser extent the 5d3 - not the 6D)

this one is difficult for me because I really have no use for such a camera.  I owned and rocked the 7d for 2 years before upgrading to full frame - and the work I'm doing really doesn't scream for more range or fps - which is the major attraction of the 7d line...

the odd thing though from a marketing perspective is who is the end buyer of a 7d?  I see all this talk here about it primarily from bird shooter who have these giant expensive lenses.  Is there really that much $$$ to be made with bird photography, or are we talking about a consumer segment with lots of disposable income  ----if both canon and nikon have determined the target group to be the latter, then yeah I can see them phasing that out - If your spending $4000 + on long lenses for a hobby, then well, you can afford a 1dx. 

The missing piece to this is the other side of the market.  I look at myself and the reasons I bought the 7d as opposed to a 5d2 - I knew the IQ was better on the 5d2, but the price was pretty high in comparison (when i was looking the 7d with lens was at $1800, and the 5d2 was at $2700 body only).  I was on a very tight budget and knew that the only lens I had prior to the purchase was EF-S - so to really jump to the 5d2 it meant shelling out closer to $3400 (more with taxes). 

BUT --- Canon has found a way around that now --- wow if i had a potential 6d as an option back then, yeah, would have been all over it.

So what is the target market for a 7d2?   If canon determines its hobbyists with deep pockets then yeah, kill that line.  what is the 7d line best for --- sports, action, birding ---  if you don't need the advanced servo tracking, if you shoot landscapes and portraits - then the only reason to go with a 7d2 as opposed to a FF option is price - and the 6d is quite a bargain if your starting with photography and looking for that bump (
especially if the 7d2 is going to be closer to 2K).

iIf Canon is in fact reconsidering the 7d2 - then it's all about the target market for such a camera --- well that and competition and as many have pointed out --- it seems like nikon is making the same decision - why bother with a pro crop for sports and bird shooters when the bulk of that market segment has more disposable income than most working pros do....


Canon EF Zoom Lenses / Re: Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L
« on: December 09, 2013, 06:25:24 PM »
Here's one i did with mine just the other night.  It is an awesome lens.  I will probably be trading it out for the newer IS v2 this year, but still, love this lens!

The 5D release cycle looks to be between 3-4 years, so the idea Canon will be releasing a 5DmkiV next year seems premature. Considering the 5DmkIII, along with the 6D, are selling quite well (according to Amazon's best selling DSLR list), it would seem more likely Canon will continue milking the profits from this camera for 1-2 more years at least.

The D800 and D610 would be Nikon's best selling full frame cameras, and while they don't seem be be selling as well as the Canon FF models, they are doing quite well themselves. So I would seem off base to call them a flop. I know a lot of D800 owners personally, many who shot with D3/D3s/D4 have it as an extra body for times when more resolution is desirable. I've also known many who have owned one and sold it, so retention after the original sale may be a problem with the camera. It is a unique camera, and either it meets your needs or it doesn't. If it meets your needs, then there is nothing else that will. The Df is an interesting model, though. It already seems to list high on the best seller list. It will be interesting to see if it stays there. It's got a fantastic sensor, and many unique features.

But Nikon's line up seems a bit fractured, I think they have missed the boat on making a singularly popular camera, like Canon has with the 5DmkIII and even with the 6D. What the demand for a higher MP camera from Canon is really would be a hard question to answer. Maybe Canon hasn't found the market would be strong enough to support such a camera from them. Or maybe they are still looking to get some updates to more of their lenses in place to support a super high MP camera. It has been reported that next year is the year of new lenses from Canon. That would make sense as there isn't much of a need for a new camera in the lineup other than a high end, high MP model. And to release such a camera before there were sufficient lenses to really take advantage of the added resolution would probably hurt sales ultimately. There is probably need for improved wide angle zoom lens, something to compete with Nikon's 14-24. If Canon does release a high MP camera, the current WA lenses are not likely up to par to do such a camera justice. The 24-70 & 70-200 mkII models are certainly good enough, but the 16-35 or any other wide is in desperate need of improvement to bring them up to the same level as those lenses. The line of newer prime IS lenses could be expanded to include a 50mm, and maybe a few more, like the 85/100/135, and maybe the 20mm too, to round out the lineup.

I do remember seeing a CR post a while back about the issues with the big canon MP -- if the rumor/article is true, they were saying it was delayed due to battery issues (the increased processor needs led to heavy battery drain).   I had read that here, not sure how far back that rumor/article was though - and it's not like it was a report from canon r&d or it may be true, may not be true.  Either way, if it is true, I'd rather wait and have them get it right when they do release it rather than rush it out with battery issues

I personally love the polar opposites here --

Upgrade the 1DX?  I just don't see it.  Though the price would drop on the original and could make a nice intermediary step between the 7D MKII and 1DX MKII

I can't imagine Canon waiting another year to release their big MP...  They'll keep bleeding sales to the Nikon D800...

followed by:

Why would Canon feel compelled to rush into the high megapixel market when it's pretty much been a flop for Nikon and Sony?

Reality is between these 2 polarized opinions.  The d800 market is a niche market, and the mk3 is more of a general purpose market.  This whole line of debate has been debated over and over again.  The d800 is not a flop for nikon/sony - but, the other side isn't ture either - re canon bleeding sales to the d800.  this is especially true now with the A7R on the scene (same sensor pretty much as the d800, and with many who REALLY want the boost in mp's will be going that route because of the lens adaptor -I'm not a huge fan of the A7r, but with that adaptor anyone who wants in on bigger mp's can do it for a fraction of the cost of switching systems entirely or adding a nikon to the mix ($2400 for the body then add the adapter vs $3000 on a body then $500-10,000 on lenses)..

This is where I think nikon may have goofed a bit with their sony collaboration.  Yeah, they got a kick ass sensor for the d800, but now they have the A7r to compete with --- my bet is this move by sony actually ends up hurting nikon more than canon - because:

big mp's is a niche market.  it's not for everyone.  Now I know it isn't the true test for sales, but looking at the amazon best sellers list -- the mk3 lands at 9th, and the d800 lands at 38th...

Nikon does have a loyal user base, but it's smaller than that of canon's.  Nikons only way to really gain market share is to take loyalists from canon.  what's the average canon users glass investment?  i know many say its easy to switch, but that takes a lot of floating around money and time and effort to get the most for the resale, then there the repurchasing ---not enough have done that for nikon to gain market share.  Now there's the A7r - which many canon loyalists can now buy and use their canon glass...a nice stop gap for those who may have sold the lot to go nikon...well, nice for canon because what are the real chances sony is here to stay with this concept?  Is the A7r to be followed by a a7rII...or will it be abandoned like so many other sony products?

Maybe, just maybe, canon was rushing a big mp body...but then caught wind of what sony was doing and said, well, we can wait and put more time into making our big mp body better...because the the a7r I think hurts nikon more than it hurts canon...IMO


EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: The Unthinkable: Swapped out 5D3 for 6D
« on: December 06, 2013, 02:19:42 PM »
said it before and will say it again --the 6d is a great 'buddy' to my mk3.  Would i sell the mk3?   No, in wedding work you need the 2 bodies, even if you treat one purely as a backup.  So no way would i sell.  And at this point, I wouldn't even sell for a second mk3 - because the 6d does perform very well!

When i first snagged the 6d I had thought it to be for sure the lesser body.  Originally I saw it as the body i'd mount the wide lenses on (the 6d would be like a machete and the mk3 would be like the scalpel).  But that was mostly because i had read too much on CR ---and determined that the outer points were useless (not from use, but from reading) ---well you know what, the outer points do work!  They focus just fine in decent to ok light.  Even in a reception hall for the first dance, with a 50mm 1.4, it works (ok, yes, sometimes you do need AF assist from flash).

Either way, i like the 6d.  Does it replace the mk3, nope.  Is it a great companion for the mk3...yes

Sorry but am with Neuro on this one regarding battery life.

300 shots or less?? That is absolutely useless as an all day walkaround camera. Extra batteries? Forget that. Based on that performance I would need to buy at least 4 additional batteries just to get a decent number of shots. (Not to mention the additional cost of buying some chargers). I recently went to Kyoto and took about 800 shots with just one battery and it still had juice at the end of the day.

And battery grip negates the size and portability advantage. I like my cameras ungripped.

I don't think this is replacing DSLRs just yet.

considering the battery life issue --- and thinking of the honeymoon I recently got back from.  I shot around 2600 images ---over 7 days - on a 6d, had to swap batteries once.  If i had the sony, I would have had to keep a fresh battery handy for each day and then some.  So charge and change each day, vs charge and change once over the course of 7 days - which would you rather do?

I believe that if one a person is taking more than 300 photos on a vacation while walking around is being trigger happy.
Does one really see 300 great images during a single day???? Really!
Such a person would need to carry 8+ rolls of 36 exp film in the old days. Wow!

I think the A7's are superb for the discerning photographer who wants to travel light.

See above, I actually would have shot more while in jamaica but my limit was more based on only having 4 16gig cards on me --- if you love to shoot and you go from buffalo ny to paradise, the only way your not shooting a ton is if you just don't bring your camera!

it's odd too, because I do consider myself a working pro, but, on vacation i'd say the ratio was about 15% pro shots and the rest total tourist.  All the shanty towns on the way to negril, yup, i was shooting from a moving bus.  On the tours, yup, lots of shooting from a moving car.  LOL - what do you expect from a photographer whose never been to the tropics?  It's freaking paradise!!!!

Personally when walking around on vacation, if I'm out walking around, I want my camera with me, and if I'm not out walking around, I'm sleeping.  On many vacations, I average well over 300 shots per day - kinda hard on a 200 shot battery, right?  When out shooting landscapes/architecture, I use battery power at a faster rate than the number of shots would imply, due to time spent composing, tilting and shifting in Live View.
But you´re not the average user, are you ;)

But, the average user buys a $500 Rebel SL1 or uses their cellphone ;)

Hence, my questioning of who exactly this camera is designed for.  Average folks won't buy it, pros wouldn't depend on it, so all that is left is the wealthy hobbyist category.  That is pretty niche IMO.

i think this hits the nail right on the head.

EOS Bodies / Re: 5DIV, 7DII and future of upgrades
« on: December 04, 2013, 02:04:44 AM »
Must take issue here --- "In my opinion some 'future mirrorless FF from Canon' you may have at least one benefit over 6D, 5D, etc.: you compose a picture first, then touch the screen anywhere you want it to focus, press shutter button = done."  ---- sorry if this is blunt, how is that any different than what we're currently doing???? compose and focus then take the shot, same process.

Users of 'smaller' FF DSLRs have to focus-recompose almost always because focus points cover only small part of the frame. 6D is probably the best example -- I can bet that majority of this camera owners use only center focus point :)

But... addition of touchscreen could be a sufficient feature upgrade to make "6D II" (OK, let's leave 5Ds to more professional public who think that they do not need such stuff).

Otherwise in a year or two Canon will have difficulties upselling current 6D body to those who now own 650D, 700D, 70D, EOS M, etc. These touchscreens are extremely addictive thingies: using a camera with touchscreen, then switching to another one without it -- is a similar experience to using smartphone with touchscreen for few months and then trying to navigate menu system of some older phone without touch interface -- during first few minutes you just instinctively poke your fingers into the screen and wonder 'why nothing happens?' (at least I do  :) ).

The thing of it is... live view is a useful tool for many things, but, generally its best for tripod mounted shots, or night shots... you'll never ever ever catch me trying to focus through live view hand held with a 70-200...with a bit, longer lens, holding a camera in live view mode is the least stable way to hold it.  I own a touch screen phone, and an ipad...i have never lusted for touch screen on my DSLR. 

6d ---you know what... I own one and I do use the outer points.  It's not just a center point only camera.  They work pretty darn good in good to alright light.  It's when it gets dark that it's center point only.  And even then, if you have a speedlight on there and the distances aren't too great, you can still use the outer points.  Are they as accurate as the mk3, no, but do they work, yes.

I will agree with unfocused though, for menu scrolling, a touchscreen may be a quicker interface. 

EOS Bodies / Re: 5DIV, 7DII and future of upgrades
« on: December 03, 2013, 04:02:15 PM »
take away the weight and size benefit, and what is the real advantage?

In my opinion some 'future mirrorless FF from Canon' you may have at least one benefit over 6D, 5D, etc.: you compose a picture first, then touch the screen anywhere you want it to focus, press shutter button = done.

Current phase-detect AF systems of budget FF DSLRs (6D, D600) are a bit crazy: all AF-points are cluttered in the center (because they have to keep bodies small and light), so you will have to focus-recompose in about 100% of cases. Not the best idea of camera handling (if Canon/Nikon want to push FF into consumer market).

Not to mentions that to make a mirrorless FF Canon will have to remove mirror, pentaprism, etc. that also will allow to remove few hundreds of USDs from its price... :)

Must take issue here --- "In my opinion some 'future mirrorless FF from Canon' you may have at least one benefit over 6D, 5D, etc.: you compose a picture first, then touch the screen anywhere you want it to focus, press shutter button = done."  ---- sorry if this is blunt, how is that any different than what we're currently doing???? compose and focus then take the shot, same process.  It's easier in good light and harder in low light.  Same thing just slightly different process, no real time saved and your still taking that image home to post process. 

Full frame sensors and the consumer market ---looking at the consumer market as it stands there is no reason to push FF sensors on the consumer market -- we are already seeing a drastic shift on the consumer side --- it's all about accessibility, networking, ease of use, creative filters --- facebook and instagram...and of course, all in one device.  That i think is one of the biggest reasons mirrorless won't take off ---the consumer group it would target is happy with crappy blurry cell phone shots that can be tagged and facebooked immediately. 

the only real way I see FF sensors being standard in the market are is APS-C sensors are phased out ---which given all the new crop sensor releases, I don't foresee that happening anytime soon.

As another poster said:

I'd tend to agree with this, it looks like the camera business will gradually return to something more like the environment we saw though out the latter part of the 20th century. Less rapid growth, more repeat sales of lenses and other accessories to a loyal existing customer base. As you say this kind of business just isn't part of Sony's corporate DNA, they've always been a company chasing the latest tech trend but the photography business depends on customer loyalty far more than one off purchases like Hifi's, TV's or phones.

We here so much about mirrorless being the future but for me mirrorless as we see it today is mostly companies who lost out on the core DSLR business being forced to go after a much riskier market based on trends that may not be sustainable.

EOS Bodies / Re: Two New Full Frame Cameras in 2014? [CR1]
« on: December 03, 2013, 01:10:31 PM »
not sure if this could happen, but...

2 FF bodies rumored, but not a 5d4 and not a split to the 1d line...

Many have said it could be a 6d2... I think this is very logical because its entry level which if it follows the pattern of other entry level products, 1-2 year cycle, so the 6d2 could very well be one of the new FF bodies..

the second...

how about this as an idea --- a 5dS perhaps?  what else would they name a big mp studio camera that isn't 1 series?  2D?  doubt it...3d...everyone says that won't happen... a 4D???/ maybe...5 is out, 6 is out, 7 is out...and I doubt they'd make an 8d or a 9d because that would be really confusing...

EOS Bodies / Re: 5DIV, 7DII and future of upgrades
« on: December 03, 2013, 12:56:06 PM »
My 2 cents --

I know many are hot to trot on mirrorless, but, I think its more of a fad than a lasting viable system.  The biggest problem is glass - not enough native M mount glass out there.  In my eyes, the logical solution is to figure out a native mount that accepts EF glass (for canon at least, whats the designation for nikon, DX?).  And that's where things get tricky for mirrorless - using current EF glass means that many of the advantages (size, weight being the biggest) of mirrorless are lost.  So your stuck in the rock in the hard place - buying a mirrorless for size and weight advantage then having to choose between excellent IQ (EF glass, but that kills the size/weight advantage), or subpar IQ (using smaller, lighter M glass, keeps it small and lightweight but at the expense of IQ), or using an adapter to use EF glass, which will hurt IQ even more.

I kind only see mirrorless working as nothing more than a consumer option.  What they should to is actually find a way to remove the LCD, and replace it with a dock for a phone (hard to do because ports are not standard on phones, so you'd have to create a camera for each phone mount).  Now that would be the way to combine the 2...alas though it will be wifi and wifi only for that.  I read thought this though and see all the little things people want, touch screens and the like ----its grasping at straws because in reality you just want your phone to take nicer shots.  and I think that will be the final nail in the mirrorless coffin --- the market that mirrorless appeals to is the market that will say, I don't want to carry 2 things when i can carry 1, afterall, can I play candy crush on the camera?  Can this camera slip into my pocket?  Nope, you'll need a bag for it.  Lenses?  You'll need a larger bag unless you want a jack of all trades 12mm-300mm f5.6 compact lens (yeah, there isn't one yet, but to be viable, it would have to be tiny and light which means a trade of of size and weight for less IQ).

And as for potential pro use - I look to what nikon and canon are doing with their glass.  high end glass is made for DSLR's - and it doesn't look like either company is breaking that trend.  Without high end glass this won't be a pro option.  I know sony says they have a lens road map for their A series, but, this is sony we're talking about here so they may have all the glass ready by the time the next fad has arrived, and sony likes the fads...

So again, I think mirrorless will be a fad unless they can make native mounts for existing glass systems - and even then it will only take off if there is some kind of very real tangible benefit over a DSLR.  I watched that kai video, and it astounded me that for some reason the mirrorless A7 and A7r are louder than my either my 5d3 or my 6d on silent mode ---- WHY???????? why in the world would they do that - for nostalgic purposes?  I don't get it at all.  why make a loud psuedo shutter clack if the main benefit is that there is no shutter to clack??????  And this gets me to my final point --- take away the weight and size benefit, and what is the real advantage?  it's mirrorless so the burst rate should be off the charts --- nope...5 fps on the A7, and 4 on the A7r.  No shutter, that should lead to higher x-sync speeds right ---  nope, 1/160th and 1/250th.  Seems a lot like what we have in a dslr right now. 

How much do many of use here have invested in our current system?  Think on that.  then consider that there really isn't anything mind blowing about mirrorless (IE, there is to my knowledge absolutely nothing that can be done with a mirrorless body that you can't do with a DSLR), why would we  sell of the gear to switch?  We may buy one as a novelty, use it for a few months then add it to the shelf of things collecting dust.   Again, there is nothing mindblowing because the tech inside camera's has hit an apex for now and we all have to wait for the next round of big advances in other tech areas before we see another round of mind blowing advances - mirrorless is adopting this because there's really not much new stuff they can do.

the future of DSLR's:

As said in that last statement above, I do foresee a longer shelf life for models.  i like the idea of the buyback program, as time goes on that will be a big factor.  I'm not sold on the idea of sending your camera in for an upgrade to the existing body --- my guess is it will be a loyalty kind of thing --- a trade in (IE buy the 5d4 new at $4k, or trade in your mk3 for a mk4 for 2K.  HAHA, there's that mirror...if your going on 3 years with your mk3 changing out the snesor and processor would be great, but that mirror will need to be replaced too. 

And before I get flamed for all of the above...these are just guesses, and I am probably

EOS Bodies / Re: Two New Full Frame Cameras in 2014? [CR1]
« on: December 02, 2013, 10:17:28 AM »
I'm sure I won't be doing that regardless of who took them because an image might mean nothing to you but may mean the world to the person who made it. Nevertheless, IMHO it is poor form to call someone's images junk while not posting your own.

Does a movie critic need to make their own movie in order to comment on a movie?
Do food critics need to offer up their own food in order to be accepted?
And so on.
The world is full of people offering up opinions on whatever without providing their own for comment on just about every topic imaginable. Get over it.

What i don't get is that your thick skinned enough to put yourself out there in a discussion like this, but not to put your images out there. 

EOS Bodies / Re: Two New Full Frame Cameras in 2014? [CR1]
« on: December 01, 2013, 02:13:07 PM »
Thanks, but no thanks.

got it, OrangUtan ... from your apparent love for red ink and in-text corrections you must be an old-style school teacher by profession and a Canon fan-boy by vocation.  Too bad I am not one of your students.

I therefore ask you politely to refrain from defacing my posts and twisting my words using bolded bi-color full text quotes. It is bad style and hurts my readers' eyes.

@ RLphoto: No, I won't ever show any of my images here. And not necessary ... since the shortcomings and limitations in Canon's sensor tech and subsequent image quality relative to better camera gear can be seen and studied in a large number of images readily available on the net.

the funny thing about this is that when I search for images to gain inspiration, I see wonderful images coming from each of these systems.  If it were that obvious then you wouldn't see plentiful examples of amazing images.  Therefore I have to agree with the rewrites of your post because it is clearly mainly an issue for you.  So much so that you seem to be embarrassed by your images - which is a shame because I like many others here are making wonderful images using canon gear - hell, even the lowly 6d continues to impress me.  So, I'd say its time to post some real images man, not shots of test shots, not intentionally underexposed imaged lifted 6 stops to show what happens when you push an image too far...real examples of how canon gear's shortcomings are ruining all of your images.  Others here aren't scared to post, why are you????

5D MK III Sample Images / Re: Wedding Photography Photos - 5d MK III
« on: November 30, 2013, 10:37:56 AM »
here's a few more

EOS Bodies / Re: Two New Full Frame Cameras in 2014? [CR1]
« on: November 29, 2013, 01:10:31 PM »
up the frame rate slightly, add the cf card slot, add a sync port...done....that still leaves room for improving (up the sync speed, add a few Xpoints, etc etc...)

Not sure why they would bother adding a CF slot.  SD cards are comparable in maximum speed, and typically lead capacity-wise (256 GB SD cards were available for an entire year before anyone announced a comparable CF card).  SD cards also take up less space in your camera bag, and have the advantage of being compatible with readers that are built into most laptops, whereas CF cards aren't.

Two slots of the same type are much more user-friendly than two different slot types, because you don't have to carry around cards of two different types.  And given that SD is ahead of CF and is likely to continue pulling ahead (because CF-based devices are basically lost in the noise as a percentage of cameras sold), I'd much rather see them do dual SD cards that can be used either in alternation (which would increase your shots per second or ensure that your buffer never gets full or both) or in combination (as a backup) at the user's option.

while SD are smaller and get the job done and do support high capacity - CF is currently a lot faster and are more durable. 

And the point wasn't really a statement of how cf is better than sd or vice versa --- my statement was more about the simple little things they could do on a 6d2 that wouldn't mean a ton of R&D $$ and time - things they can do without revamping the whole assembly line.

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