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Speedlites, Printers, Accessories / Re: to 600rt + st-e3 or not....
« on: August 18, 2014, 01:19:21 PM »
TY to those who nudged me towards the 600/st-e3 system.  So far I'm really liking it.  The controls on the ste-3 arre a little hard to get used to but I'm getting the hang of it.  the biggest bonus so far is the ability to do high speed sync off camera - that's been one of my biggest issues lately - yeah I know you can stop down to keep things within the 1/200th limit, but, I'd rather have more control over my depth of field - and I do like shooting wide open (or close to it) - so having the ability to high speed sync off camera is quite awesome!

I forget who mentioned it, but, yeah, I do feel like I need to label my flashes now because it is easy to set them up then wonder which one is A and which one is B and which one is C....lol

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EOS Bodies / Re: 5D3 No Longer in Production
« on: August 18, 2014, 01:11:04 PM »
It does sound like Canon is clamping down on costs.

Absolutely.  Their camera division is still running a small profit despite drops in sales, and that's mainly due to 'operational efficiencies' (= cutting costs).

this is pretty spot on.  And to add fuel to the fire, thinking of it like this  then  makes it extremely unlikely that the have 2.5 years of backstock built up.  That is one of the rules of having efficient inventory.  An operational efficient company would never keep that much stock in inventory. 

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EOS Bodies / Re: 5D3 No Longer in Production
« on: August 18, 2014, 10:55:16 AM »
The absence of a new lower end APS-C camera (xx0D) makes for interesting speculation that they've held off releasing a new camera because they realise there's no point in making it as the 7DII will make it seem irrelevant.

WHAT?

You realize that the best selling Canon camera is the T3.... and that it outsells every other camera Canon makes combined! This is because you can get the camera and lens CHEAP!. Apparently, for the masses, cheap beats IQ hands down...

So somehow a 7D2, probably for $2500 WITHOUT a lens is going to somehow mean that there will be no more demand for a $400 camera with lens, when price seems to be the dominant market force for the masses?

Are you sure of your logic?

You guys just don't know how to deal with a petulant, rather retarded child, do you ?

The 7DII is a big camera that is going to cost-a-lot-of-money, and the xxxD is a little camera that does not cost-as-much-money.

That's not a nice way to talk about Canon's cameras!

Let me put this another way. There's two parts to this.

To me it seems that it is quite likely the next xxxD will have the same sensor as is in the 7DII. If they bring it out before the 7DII then maybe they think it will eat away some of the 7DII sales from the people that have a 7D now and are just looking for a camera that produces better IQ (and not necessarily better fps/AF) whereas if the first camera that 7D owners see with the new sensor is the 7DII then they stand to get more carry over sales from people who see it and say "I WANT!" (or at least that's my thinking, feel free to point out where I'm wrong.) So new sensor in new 7D model, maximise profits from upgraders buying new expensive camera that they may not need but want.

Now had they of released a new xxxD camera a month or two ago with existing sensor technology and then a few months later the 7DII comes along with a new sensor then maybe they're afraid that sales of the xxxD will stall because people will wait for xxx+1D from Canon with the same upgraded sensor tech that is in the 7DII. That would also prevent them from releasing a new xxx+1D that uses the new tech in the 7DII in the first half of 2015 because it would be too soon between models. It won't necessarily matter what is new in the 7DII just that the 7DII will have all the new stuff and people will want the new stuff in cheaper bodies and may delay purchasing decisions because of it.

So a bigger gap between xxxD models (no real problem with sales) so that they can slot in the 7DII and roll forward with whatever new goodies (new DIGIC too?) come in that.

Sound like a reasonable plan or am I just crazy?

this is starting to make less and less sense - again, we're comparing a sub 1K body to a new body with unknown specs and prices that may land in the +2k realm.  Sorry, but anyone looking for better IQ that doesn't need the fps and tracking (7d users that don't shoot sports and birds) already has an option - the 6d sits in that sweet spot for price and IQ between at close to 1.6K.  Also, if your a 7d user who has patiently waited for a while now, why would they jump ship for an xxxd body?  Especially if they know the 7d2 is right around the corner.

It's more likely that canon is waiting on releasing a new xxxd or xxxxd body until the holiday season because those bodies are much more likely to sell as gifts than a 2k+ pro body.

 

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EOS Bodies / Re: 5D3 No Longer in Production
« on: August 18, 2014, 02:13:06 AM »
ok, thoughts...first off, best buy isn't in the market of selling pro or semi pro gear, so what some random sales clerk says is the last things I'd trust in regards to the future of a semi-ro/pro product line. 

What I love most about this is the predictability of all the responses.

In a nutshell,

Some say this means the 5d3 will be out like tomorrow ---well, not if they have 2.5 years of stock left!  If they have 2.5 years of stock left, then when will the 5d4 come out ---- in about 2.25 years!  I highly doubt that.

now for all the sidebar stuff.

1dx2 before the 5d4?  What are you guys smoking? Looking at the last cycle - the 1dx was announced in october of 2011 - released in march of 2012 but wasn't shipping until June.  the 5d3 was announced in March of 2012 and available shortly after being announced.   I would think the next cycle of updates will follow that same pattern - announce the flagship but don't release for a long time.  then announce the 5d4 and have it be available shortly after the announcement. 

then the gloom and doom report, and the failed idea that canon needs to do anything for more than bragging rights ----  the market decline is not because it has no good products on it (if this were the case then I'd think nikon and sony would be holding steady, but they are losing ground) - the market is declining for a bunch of reasons -  because it's hit a saturation point, also because the technology has matured, because we are in a global recession and disposable income isn't as readily available, and yes, because the market has changed.  the soccer moms don't give a rats ass about DR or low ISO IQ - and they are the ones buying consumer grade cameras en mass.  If sales are slipping for that market segment it has less to do with real features and more to do with how it's marketed and the actual demand for the product.

"Sales are declining so the challenge is to sell more units." 

This is true - but - this is more of a challenge for the marketing/advertising department.  R&D is expensive, if sales are declining and the market is shrinking (this has happened even with the release of the A7, A7r, A7s, d4x, d810, and d610).  Has any of the 6 bodies listed there jump started So-nikon-y's sales?  their #'s are still just as down as Canon's. 

That don't bode well for the idea that the dumping a ton of $$$$  into R&D to put a body that has better specs on the market will be the solution to the problem of "Sales are declining so the challenge is to sell more units."

And, this one I gotta just direct quote -


So in order to keep sales up..
- Nikon churns through models
- Sony reinvents the camera
- Canon does nothing except take consolation in knowing it sells more units than Nikon/Sony and just watches sales decline?

Irrespective of whether or not Nikon/Sony have better or worse technology their activity keeps their models current and in the mind of consumers. Shorter product life cycles means that they can react quicker too.

Whether people like it or not, based on past releases, it is safe to expect the 5D4 out next year and not 2016/2017.

Ok, yes - nikon churns out models - I call that the - "lets piss off all those that bought d4's and d800's by launching new models with slightly improved specs and fixes to bugs in the original model approach.  did it help?  Not in droves because most buyers of either body aren't rushing to purchase because their d4's and d800's still have such low shutter counts - 4k or 5.5K is a lot of $$$ to spend on a marginal upgrade...

Sony reinvents the camera..... wow...hyperbole maybe a little....just a wee bit????   Yes, they are the first to put a FF sensor in a mirrorless body, but come on, this does not reinvent the camera!

Then there's this - "Canon does nothing except take consolation in knowing it sells more units than Nikon/Sony and just watches sales decline?"  Well, you said it yourself, they sold more units than sony. All of those things that sony and nikon are doing isn't helping ---- Honestly I wish it was because that would mean that the economy is rebounding and the market is shifting back to quality over quantity.  A strong nikon and sony leads to a stronger canon (and vice versa). 

"Irrespective of whether or not Nikon/Sony have better or worse technology their activity keeps their models current and in the mind of consumers. Shorter product life cycles means that they can react quicker too."

WOW...I kind of already stated how I feel about that.. .   but... really short product life cycles on items with high price tags don't go over well.   Save the short upgrade cycles for the sub 1K market, as incremental upgrades can be more easily glossed over with big advertising and crafty marketing.

Given all the above there though, canons conservative pragmatic approach is really wise considering the market climate.   


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EOS Bodies / Re: popup-flash - made a "pro feature"?
« on: August 13, 2014, 02:25:15 PM »
We have all seen the discussions, about why popup-flash is left out on the pro bodies from Canon. Those in favour of leaving it out says it is because it can break, and it is not a "pro feature".

Is the 6D a 'pro body'? 

IMO, it's a marketing decision.  Canon wants your money. FF bodies (from Canon) don't have a popup flash.  FF bodies cost more.  Canon figures if you need a flash and can afford a FF body, you can afford a Speedlite.

The 6D is pro in the sense that it is full frame, demanding EF-lenses. Which sure sell at pro prices  :)

If it is a marketing descition, it sure is not a good one (IMHO). Portability is more and more an argument being used, with all the mirrorless cameras making their entry into the full frame market (Sony). Lugging around a speedlite in adition to a big dSLR is... annoying. Yet another thing to bring along.

I think it would be wise to implement a popup flash in the 5D4  (and/or 1DxII), and make it special, not just a simple popup. Like others have said, HSS, flip/tilt functionality etc.

ummm...there are tons of EF lens that aren't pro or at pro prices....the 50mm 1.8 is EF...it's $100!!!!!  L lenses are pro build with pro price tags.....not all EF's are L's...

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The casual user may not know about dynamic range but they certainly notice burnt out skies, or overexposed parts of the frame. Lattitude would provide more keepers and better satifaction for casual photographers and a greater confidence in photography if it was not important I doubt all the CMOS designners & manufacturers would be spending $$$$$$ on improving sensitivity for a minority.
Obviuosly in itself its only one aspect and Wi-Fi, GPS etc. is more appealing for advertizers to sell cameras to consumers after all we EXPECT cars to be reliable and that every new model has better gas consumption so it follows each new generation of camera should improve overall performance the point is we have a long way to go between 12 stops and 20 stops.

I dunno. Maybe we're thinking of different people, but most mobile photos shared on places like Twitter and Instagram have blown channels in the sky, or skin. And I daresay if I mentioned it, 99% of them wouldn't even know what I meant. It took me a couple of years to get to grips with photography terminology, and I was pretty obsessive about it. When I think how I would explain concepts to total beginners, I shudder.

That's not to say most people wouldn't think a photograph taken with a camera that has better dynamic range (to take one aspect of image quality) wasn't better than one taken with poorer kit, but I don't think most of them would know why - or be able to express it. And they wouldn't know what aspects of better equipment would give them that better image quality.

(I don't want to sound like I'm belittling people, but I have to go on what I've seen).

+100  that's pretty much what I just said!

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The casual user may not know about dynamic range but they certainly notice burnt out skies, or overexposed parts of the frame. Lattitude would provide more keepers and better satifaction for casual photographers and a greater confidence in photography if it was not important I doubt all the CMOS designners & manufacturers would be spending $$$$$$ on improving sensitivity for a minority.
Obviuosly in itself its only one aspect and Wi-Fi, GPS etc. is more appealing for advertizers to sell cameras to consumers after all we EXPECT cars to be reliable and that every new model has better gas consumption so it follows each new generation of camera should improve overall performance the point is we have a long way to go between 12 stops and 20 stops.

this goes right back to what i said in a few posts back though, the benefit of that DR comes in post process - the image out of camera will not look significantly different.  The point of DR is that to give latitude after the shot is taken.  What I am saying is that most casual users shoot in jpeg and don't use any post process.  Hell, I know many causal users who have shots from 2 years ago still on their memory cards, some even further back.  Some that don't even know how to get the photos off their camera! 

IMO,  the casual user would prefer some kind of in cam HDR to more DR because they can get the effect of more DR without doing any PP.  It's easy to be here on these forums and forget that WE are in the minority.

Another point to consider here too - casual users and burnt out skies, overexposed parts of the frame, and more than likely lots of red eye washed out on camera flash - we are talking about casual users, folks who go full auto everything (AF in all points active mode too) ----  maybe the skies would be a bit better if they took the time to learn how to use their camera!!!!  I know that sounds real condescending, but, you have no clue how often I get asked simple questions - and many of these people have owned their rebel for years (and yeah, the nikon equivalent).  At least when its a canon i can show them stuff, but when its an entry level nikon person, I always say ---check the manual, it'll explain it...they say, I don't have the manual... I say - well, you should be able to find it online ---- then they say, I'll just ask my other friend, he shoots nikon....I shoot a lot of events so I get asked these questions quite a bit.  These are the users that drive the entry level market. 

Some end up liking photography enough to read the manual, then find tutorials and learn, maybe even take a class or 2.  these are the folks that end up taking the plunge into the XXD, XD series cameras. 

Things like DR and low ISO IQ, max ISO IQ, buffer, FPS, AF control, AF tracking, AFMA, ...this is all stuff that will only matter to those who take things to the next level.  That's why new awesomeness will come first in the semipro and pro bodies.  The XXD and XD series market does care about this stuff.     

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Gear nerds will wish for better IQ and DR.  Casual users won'[t], and that is the vast majority of the entry level market.

I must not be alone in having heard many times (not necessarily about my work): wow, nice photo, you must have a nice camera.

To most people who don't pursue photography, there is an expected link between quality of gear and quality of result. Of course there is a value decision, but casual buyers don't want low-quality images, and many are willing to pay higher prices on the assumption that doing so will improve their results.

Very true.  I used to get offended when people said that to me!   Really all I'm saying is that 75% of the stuff we talk about here would go right over the heads of those of most entry level DSLR buyers and yes, users!!! 

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I absolutely don't think better image quality is the key to survival - since so few people seem to know or care what that is (assuming is can be objectively discussed at all). I see people very happy with shots I find execrable - they care about the content more than the dynamic range, sharpness, composition or whatever.

+100

Gear nerds will wish for better IQ and DR.  Casual users won'y, and that is the vast majority of the entry level market.  DR really only makes a difference for post processing - and yeah, how many causal users actually do any post processing?  If they do, are they shooting in RAW?    I'd dare say that most entry level users are shooting in jpeg, have 1 memory card that never leaves the camera.  Connectivity will be the thing that breathes life into the market.  I'd look for wifi, and simple file sharing (either through better phone to camera action, or direct from camera!) to be in rebels.  dual Pixel will trickle both up and down - and IQ and DR will follow, but in a trickle down manner.  New sensors aren't being made directly for rebels, the new tech will be in the pro bodies first.  We may see some of that in the 7d2.  But any of this tech is most liekly being designed with FF sensors in mind first!

Either way, I know we geeks would love to think that everyone values the same stuff as we do, but in reality - we geeks are the minority.

Even when it comes to pro shooting - like weddings - how many times are the crisp, post shot gets overlooked by the client in favor of a slightly out of focus/ overexposed/ poorly composed candid of the bride and groom laughing, or a hug...sometimes emotion trumps IQ and technical correctness!


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Reviews / Re: DxO reviews Sony A7s: king of low light photography?
« on: August 05, 2014, 12:37:28 PM »
This guy really doesn't get it... it's hopeless!

Hey, don't blame me - I'm not the one asserting that extra stops of DR and information in the image files is wasted, it is others. The only problem is that it would seem that all of those bits that they say you don't need are actually used by them anyway.

If people would stop trying to belittle and put down Sony's sensors because they deliver and offer more DR then it would be a whole lot easier. This is where the problems stem from: trying to assert that what comes off the Sony sensors is no better than the Canon's.

I'm pretty sure that if I tried, I could use Google and find threads on here where various people have waxed lyrical (and received support for) about Canon producing sensors with fewer larger pixels with more DR and better IQ - especially in low light. Well guess what, Sony has done that.

But instead of accepting that and congratulating Sony on doing it, people are arguing about how all of that extra DR and IQ is not necessary. What a load of horse sh*t.

wow....

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Reviews / Re: DxO reviews Sony A7s: king of low light photography?
« on: August 03, 2014, 07:15:10 PM »
So they do downsampling until the camera they want to be better is better...  :o don't know.... sounds strange, but is not subjective at all  ;)

No.

They are using the case where you are using both cameras to print out an image of the same size as their rationale.

They've been downsampling for as long as they've been doing sensor reviews.

The significance of that is that an 8MP image fills an A4 page at 300dpi.

So their "normalisation" is "downsize to fit on a piece of paper that people will print on at home."

That seems like a perfectly sensible thing to do to me.

So what does it mean? It means that the image taken with the D800e will look better when you print it out on your A4 printer at home than if you used the 1DX. Or for your magazine or...

If you have ever actually done any REAL printing, you would understand how ludicrous this statement is.

I don't print, I use professional printers that have top of the line equipment, not random inkjet printers.

You do realize that professional commercial print labs use the commercial grade Canon imageProGraf and Epson Stylus ink jet printers, right? The majority of "professional" prints that come from labs were printed on your "random" ink jet printers. There are a few places in the past that used to use Iris Giclee printers, however Giclee is just ink jet, and Iris printers were practically run out of town by Epson. There are a few photographic printers out there, one that use light to expose photographic paper and use a chemical processing and fixing procedure, but those are FAR less common than the "random" ink jet printers. ;)

I'd be willing to bet every print you've ever had professionally printed came off of an Epson, Canon, or possibly HP printer.

I was hoping that would be pointed out - this is the lab I go through - http://iprintfromhome.com/#n

Love the quality.

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Reviews / Re: DxO reviews Sony A7s: king of low light photography?
« on: August 03, 2014, 02:41:22 PM »
oh my, missed this one.  6 pages of DXO v reality the remix.  Time to make some popcorn and see what's said...

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon to Make a Big Splash at Photokina? [CR2]
« on: August 02, 2014, 06:15:34 PM »

That is the topic of maaaaany threads on this forum.  Does Canon really need 4+ APS-C body price points?  What about low/middle/high setup for APS-C and the same for FF?   What happened to APS-H?  What about a completely stripped down FF model with one AF point?

IMO, even six is probably too many.  They should have one consumer crop body and one pro crop body, plus one pro FF, and optionally one consumer FF.  Make the pro model(s) available in your choice of gripped or non-gripped form factors, but with otherwise identical guts.  There's just not enough product differentiation to support 6 or more bodies.  It drives up R&D costs without providing much customer benefit.

I tend to disagree here.  I think there's room for the segmentation of the lines, more room even especially at the top.  I look at the 1dx and say, wow, amazing camera, but much of what it can do is beyond the needs a great meany shooters who don't need extremely high fps and extra advanced tracking for fast moving subjects.  1 pro body makes for a jack of all trades body.  I know many would love a more dedicated landscape body.  Other's don't need the fps but do need the low light capability. 

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: D810 vs. 3D
« on: August 02, 2014, 03:21:00 PM »
stated simply, existing camera vs hypothetical camera.  If you can't have patience just go buy the nikon!!!

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon to Make a Big Splash at Photokina? [CR2]
« on: July 31, 2014, 03:23:01 PM »
Canon made revolution  few years ago. Currently it is a stagnant company, which still focuses significant aattention to dying P&S market. Product cycle for semi-pro and pro products is very long and shows that Canon does not sufficiently invest in R&D as other companies. Canon started loosing in the following areas:

1) Mirrorless market - they loose to Fuji, Olympus, Sony;
2) Sensor technology - loosing to Sony;
3) Lenses - starting to loose to Sigma and Tamron as these 2 companies started producing high quality lenses, which match or in some cases exceed qulity of Canon lenses (e.g. Sigma 50 mm 1.4 Art, Tamron 24-70 2.8 VC) for affordable price.

Losing is a tough way to put it.  Being #1 means you have many mouths to feed -- not just enthusiasts and pros in a forum.  I'm truly curious to see what chunk of Canon's business folks like us in this forum (and like-minded shooters not in this forum) actually represent to them.

Also, advances in one small segment of the photography world does not make Fuji, Olympus, Sony, Sigma and Tamron the 'team to beat'.  It means that they have had success in one small segment of the photography world.  That's all.

And lest we forget, the company arguably most revered for its innovation and 'firsts in the industry' -- Sony -- can't seem to understand photographers well enough to produce a top-to-bottom well thought out camera that is free of non-trivial flaws.  They seem predisposed to come up with something cool and useful (that I might want!), shoot it out to the market half-cocked, and under-deliver.  What's worse is that they don't seem to learn from this, and they just shoot out another version in record time with similarly iffy results. 

So it's more than who is on a roll or has the best team or most innovative pipeline -- I want the company that most consistently satisfies its customers.  Bleeding edge innovation isn't my driver.  I want a camera/system that does exactly what I want it to do.  Canon may be slow, but they have never let me down with what they have delivered.

- A
When I jumped ship from Olympus to Canon, the choice was Canon or Nikon. Canon had the lenses that I liked and when it came to the user interface, there was no comparison...Canon let me do what I wanted easily, Nikon had me diving into menus... I went Canon

As things stand today, for my purposes everything about the Canons is superior to the Nikon and Sony offerings except for the sensors and I expect the gap to narrow drastically or even disappear soon.

Look at the clues...

Clue #1: Canon sensors are inferior to Nikon/Sony. Everyone knows that. You can bet that the people at Canon know that too.
Clue #2: Canon executives have hinted that something big or revolutionary is coming.
Clue #3: The 7D2 has been delayed for "production reasons".. We know it isn't just making another copy of the 70D sensor with a few more or less pixels.. it has to be something else.
Clue #4: The delay is NOT DPAF. It is here and in production in the 70D. Being a lower cost camera and stocked and sold in general consumer stores, it is a safe bet that 70D sales will exceed that of the 7D2 AND the entire FF lineup. A bit more for a 7D2 will not matter.
Clue #5: Canon has sensor fabrication facilities that work on much finer lithography than the APS-C and FF sensors of today. Pick up a Canon P/S camera for proof....
Clue #6: P/S sales are declining and this means extra capacity is opening up on those finer lithography production lines...
Clue #7: We know that by going to row or column A/D on the sensor that they could drastically drop noise and increase the DR of their sensors. You can bet that Canon knows this too.

My bet is that the delays in 7D2 production are due to moving the A/D onto sensors with finer lithography. This has to happen at some point and now is the logical time. I would expect a rapid refresh of the FF lineup after this.

Correct me here if I am wrong with this conclusion --- but in all the posts i have read here regarding the internals of a camera body --- heat is a factor in the quantity of noise, which would harm sharpness and overall IQ. 

Correct me if I am wrong yet again, but, is it conceivable that canon bodies could improve IQ by finding more ways to reduce heat inside the camera body?   Just tossing ideas out there...

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