« on: September 25, 2014, 11:45:44 AM »
NO, I am not "turning a general statement into a personal issue", nor am I "taking offense". Nor am I saying there is just "one single person on the face of the planet who wants more DR in a Canon camera". These are points I am not making, yet these are points to which you've addressed your long reply.
I tried to be clear in specifying what I am disagreeing with (not "taking offense"). I disagree with statements like:
"Canon sensors, from a technological and fundamental IQ standpoint, are lacking."
"Technologically, Canon sensors DO lag behind the rest."
You keep saying these things as if they are some universal truth. They aren't. They are true for certain photographers in certain situations, not for everyone. There are plenty of photographers who don't perceive this "lacking" or "lagging" because their work is not about maximum DR and doesn't rely on maximum DR. For those photographers, Canon sensors are doing a great job, and they are choosing Canon sensors to do their job. The list of renowned and skilled photographers choosing and using Canon is long and deep and covers an extremely diverse range of photographic situations. You can repeat what you are saying "technologically", but it doesn't reflect what they are doing photographically.
Your still taking issue with TECHNICAL FACTS. That's what they are. We aren't talking about perceptions of IQ here...were talking about the technical facts. TECHNICALLY SPEAKING...Canon sensor technology is WAY behind the rest of the industry. That is a FACT.
That FACT does have an impact on their IQ. If you personally don't need the ability to push shadows, fine...however, that does not change the FACT that Canon shadows are WAAAAY noisier than the competition, by as much as a factor of ten. It's a FACT. Not an assumption, not a perception...it's a FACT.
Again, that isn't something personal, it isn't something perceptual. Your taking issue with something that just is. You seem to think that what some photographers achieve seems to have some impact on whether the technology is old and outdated or not. It doesn't. Your taking issue with an immutable. Canon sensor technology is out of date, and it DOES NOT offer the same capabilities as modern or cutting edge sensor technology. You can work the data to extract the most out of it, but there are things you can do with a senor that has more DR that you cannot do with a Canon sensor.
It's just a simple fact. You don't have to like it, but I'm not going to stop saying it because you don't like it.
as lots have pointed out ---DR levels out as ISO's rise and if your bread and butter is mostly shot between 800-6400 then canon sensors are not lagging or lacking at all - go past 1600 and the canon out performs the exmor. Someone here said a page ago this:
Currently, Sony sensors that Nikon uses have a slight disadvantage at ISO >1000 but that seems to be fixed with the A7R. With these sensors you could basically shoot everything at ISO100 and lift in post which gives a lot of headroom to recover highlights.
To me, the really raises my hackles. So the solution is now to underexpose and push in post? While yeah it's easy enough to batch process stuff in lightroom, it's still time that needs to be spent correcting for an issue that ---on a canon you won't have because you can push the ISO a bit more.
something I find really funny about all this is that this is a fear of shadows? Personally, I try to use shadows as much as possble in my images because it leadsto a more dramatic mood. I also use other things like off camera light to increase the difference between the light and the dark. I find that pulling all the shadows into the light just leads to boring images, or, something that looks more like a comic book or an over the top HDR - if that's your style then fine, go with it but it's not for everyone. Different tools for different jobs.
Would I say no to more DR, of course not. but for the work I do, it's not a make or break issue. And there are lots of folks in this camp too. But at this stage in the game, with the sheer amount of posts now about this issue, from a handful of people - no matter the topic really is is just getting out of hand. Should this site be renamed the DR envy forum?