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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 7D or 5D3 for low light candids?
« on: April 03, 2013, 11:11:31 AM »
I have/had both. Together for weddings. 5D3 is incredibly better camera, than 7D.

I sold 7D a couple weeks ago.

Ditto, when I got my mk3 my 7d just sat.  I tried usint them side by side, but, the 5d3 really did outperform the 7d in just about every respect.  After becoming a paper weight, I sold the 7d and am now on the hunt for a backup. Rented a 6d for the weekend ----it's quite a capable camera!

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 7D or 5D3 for low light candids?
« on: April 03, 2013, 10:42:23 AM »
All the discussion in this forum about the 5D3 in low light has me intrigued.  I'm particularly interested in a 5D3 w/24-105 f4L IS as an upgrade path for a 7D w/17-55 f2.8 IS.  (For low light candids, I'm often shooting at 1/30 second and find IS to be a must.)

I know that the 5D3 offers greater color depth and that full frame is typically sharper than crop.  I also understand that the 5D3 offers about a 1.3 stop advantage in noise over the 7D.  But, I'm comparing a crop body with a 2.8 lens to the full frame with a 4.0 lens and this noise advantage drops to about 1/3 of a stop.

Now the question.  A 2.8 lens lets in more light than a 4.0, which is more light for the AF system to lock in.  So which system can lock in on focus at lower light -- the 5D3 w/24-105 f4L IS or the 7D w/17-55 f2.8L IS?

The 5d3 is lightyears beyond the 7d for these purposes!  What it can do in low light is a game changer!

With that said, if you do go for one, don't bother with the 24-105...snag a 50mm 1.4 and an 85mm 1.8.  Don't worry about IS, these are light lenses and can easily be handheld at those SS speeds (plus, at 1.4 and 1.8, you can shoot at higher SS's and still let in more light depending on how much space there is between you an the target!

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Mostly, it will mostly people in events, hanging out with friends or few sport occasions. I don't think I can make an income with photography now. Perhaps, it might in the future but most likely, it will not be my main source of income.

For your purposes I'd go with a 6d + a 50mm 1.4

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EOS Bodies / Re: 6D Autofocus not impressive
« on: April 03, 2013, 10:18:05 AM »
no sync port - this would be a deal breaker if it were to be my main body.

What's wrong with a hotshoe pc-sync adapter?

nothing wrong with it otherthan i didn't kow about it until you brought it up and figured best to leave an unknown thing out of a review

read/write speeds - SD is slow!!!!!  This may be the back breaker for me with it.


You have to use a fast/new(!) uhs-1 card, then this should be absolutely no issue?

the cards i was using were 30 mb/s.  Maybe its because I am used to the speed of CF cards

battery life - battery does drain quite fast when wifi is enabled (note, I have no use for gps so i never tried using that).  Battery life is fine without using wifi, but, with that on be careful!

Yes, known issue, time for a battery grip... with the added weight & bulk. On the bright side: gps doesn't seem to drain as much power as I first suspected, so that's actually usable if you need it.

Luckily, it doesn't seem to want to do what i wanted to do with it via the wifi (set it up behind the alter, or other hard to get to areas and trigger it from my phone, but once both phone and cam have been inactive for 5 minutes it can be a pain in the ass to get phone and camera to reconnect...not something I want to do at a wedding.  AS to grips... I love using grips, but, for me at least part of the idea was to keep the weight down, slapping a grip on the 6d would kind of defeat that purpose

Why would anyone buy a 6D when a refurb 5D3 is only a few bucks more?

Because in Germany there are only new cameras, and the price difference (esp. given the current € crisis): 5d3 €2800 vs. 6d €1800, the latter dropping in price while the 5d3 staying more or less stable.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 6D Autofocus not impressive
« on: April 02, 2013, 06:14:49 PM »
2000$ for 6D or 2375$ for a Refurbed MK3? You all are quibbling for the 500$ difference from the 5D2 to the 6D, which is minimal gains, while from the 6D to the 5D3 is day-night difference.  ???

agreed...5d3 is much better than the 6d.  But, finding one at $2400 is a bit more difficult.  Yes they do pop up (never when I actually have the $$$ to snag one!!!!), but it's not like refurb mk3's are flooding the market.  They pop up and then they're gone real quick.  I see more frequently used ones starting at $2750.  B&H is still doing a deal on the 6d --- 6d +16 gig sd card + a little shoulder bag for $1899.  So we're more realistically talking about a $1000 difference.  And if we're talking brand new - $3150. 

All of this is very subjective --- what are your needs?  Everyones are different.  I have a mk3 and need a backup body.  The 6d has many good selling points to me, unless it's timed right and I can find a refurb mk3.  But in regards to that, I want this decision to be made by mid may.  My side note is that I am trying to finance my own wedding, and yeah, that extra $1000 may make a big difference for me (and yeah, there are other buying decisions too, I have some glass in mind!).

Either way, I still feel that the 6d is better value than the mk2

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Hello everyone,

A little bit about my history. I've been reading this website for a long time, but now I need your help with some decision. Before, I used to have a sweet time with 7D with 24-70mm 2.8L for about 3 months but sold it due to financial need at that time. Now, I have around $3000 and want to get involved to photography again.

My initial decision was getting 6D for around $1600 (a great local deal) and spend the rest on 24-70mm 2.8L again. But I've been surfing around forums and most people who owned 6D recommend to get 5D3 if possible. If that is the case, I have to setting with few prime lens like 50mm 1.4 to learn more about photography and save a bit more for new lens.

I found a great deal for brand new 5D3 for $2700, should I pull the trigger ? Or getting a brand new 6D for $1600 and 24-70mm 2.8L ? Or perhaps, a brand new 7D for $1000 (local) and spend $2000 on 24-70mm 2.8L II ?

Please give me constructive opinion.

Thanks

i'd say it depends on some things like, what are you shooting and what do you plan to shoot?  Is photography your main source of income?  Do you foresee it becoming a greater portion of your income? 

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EOS Bodies / Re: 6D Autofocus not impressive
« on: April 02, 2013, 05:49:58 PM »
More like a market for a re-badged 1200$ 5d2 performing camera that costs 2000$.  :P

Useable 12800 ISO is nothing to scoff at coming from a 5D2. The center AF point is fantastic in low light as well. If you need the low-light performance, the 6D is easily worth an extra $500 over the 5D2.

How do I know? I upgraded from a 5D2 to a 6D, and I will never go back!

Camera Performance is what this thread is about, Not IQ. My time with the 6D clearly demonstrated what the 6D really was, a Re-hashed 5d2 with marginally better IQ.

The 5d2's ability in low light is much lesser than the 6d.  If you are never in ISO 6400 and up situations there is no reason to choose a 6d over a 5d2, but if you shoot in low light the 6d is vastly improved over the 5d2.

I never said the 6D is a bad camera, I just simply stated its a bad value currently.

It's funny, because back in September everyone thought that price was a great price for a 5d2.  People were talking about it being a steal at $1700.  You recommended some guy buy one for $1650 off Craig's List.

It was a good deal at the time, now I would pay 1200-1400$ for a 5D2. It's the same good 'ol 5D2. Why pay 2000$ for 6D for what essentially is a 5D2?

Because it isn't!  $1400 for a body that is only good up to ISO 3200, vs $2000 for a body that can produce clean files up to ISO 25,600????  That means a lot if you shoot in low light often

Again, if we're going to quibble over numbers at least quote the right ones.  It's under $1800 on Amazon, and has been that for over a month.

I like my 6D and all, but calling it clean at 25.6k is a stretch.

Ok, clean maybe not...usable though, yes...It is clean as hell though at 6400, and pretty damn good up through to 12,800.  Either way, still a step up from the 5d2.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 6D Autofocus not impressive
« on: April 02, 2013, 05:41:34 PM »
More like a market for a re-badged 1200$ 5d2 performing camera that costs 2000$.  :P

Useable 12800 ISO is nothing to scoff at coming from a 5D2. The center AF point is fantastic in low light as well. If you need the low-light performance, the 6D is easily worth an extra $500 over the 5D2.

How do I know? I upgraded from a 5D2 to a 6D, and I will never go back!

Camera Performance is what this thread is about, Not IQ. My time with the 6D clearly demonstrated what the 6D really was, a Re-hashed 5d2 with marginally better IQ.

The 5d2's ability in low light is much lesser than the 6d.  If you are never in ISO 6400 and up situations there is no reason to choose a 6d over a 5d2, but if you shoot in low light the 6d is vastly improved over the 5d2.

I never said the 6D is a bad camera, I just simply stated its a bad value currently.

It's funny, because back in September everyone thought that price was a great price for a 5d2.  People were talking about it being a steal at $1700.  You recommended some guy buy one for $1650 off Craig's List.

It was a good deal at the time, now I would pay 1200-1400$ for a 5D2. It's the same good 'ol 5D2. Why pay 2000$ for 6D for what essentially is a 5D2?

Because it isn't!  $1400 for a body that is only good up to ISO 3200, vs $2000 for a body that can produce clean files up to ISO 25,600????  That means a lot if you shoot in low light often

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5D MK III Sample Images / Re: 5D MK III Images
« on: April 02, 2013, 04:48:22 PM »
from a fashion show i shot recently ---  both with the 85mm 1.8...one on cam flash, one off camera with shoot through umbrella

Hi Chuck,
I like your lighting and what what you do with the 85 1.8. Are those hot pixels, though, to the top right of the models' heads?

They do look like hot pixels, two clusters of them.
I had to return two 5DIII bodies with hot pixels at low ISO. It was very disappointing, but I finally got a perfect body the third time.
The experience has left me concerned about Canon quality control.

I do believe you are right...crap!!!!

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***Is the 1DX really the Flagship Stills Camera?***

I ask this question because, as I sit here typing, I am thinking ... is there a camera which is uncompromising in image quality, features, and performance?  When I read in the forums and search online I find TONS of critisizm about Canon bodies, Canon lenses, and the company.  Yet, I have Canon, I've always had Canon.  Ever since Andre Agessi said I should.

So, I throw this question out there.  Does Canon make a body that is just flat out great?  IQ is NASA good?  Features like Voltron.  Performs like a river dancer?  I ask because it seems like every body has some level of compromise.  I mean if I look at every option (except for sensor) just on paper, their lineup should go 1DX, 7D, 5D3, 6D.  But if I look just at sensor it seems like it should be 5D3, 6D, 1Dx, 7D.  If I look at build then 1DX, 5D3, 7D, (everything else).

There just doesnt seem to be one camera in Canon's lineup which is 'The Best Camera Ever'.

Maybe that is the point, because ambiguity = moola for Canon. 

Agessi said the Rebel was best.  Then his hair fell out.  Karma???

I really don't get this...seems like a no brainer..  1dx is the flagship, and when the big mp beast comes out it will be a shared throne between the 1dx and whatever they call the big mp beast. 

I also don't get your lineups and say top to bottom that the 7d beats out the 5d3?   The one thing the 7d has that the 5d3 doesn't is FPS, in every other respect the 5d3 beats the 7d in a landslide. 

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EOS Bodies / Re: 6D Autofocus not impressive
« on: April 02, 2013, 02:44:30 PM »
More like a market for a re-badged 1200$ 5d2 performing camera that costs 2000$.  :P

Useable 12800 ISO is nothing to scoff at coming from a 5D2. The center AF point is fantastic in low light as well. If you need the low-light performance, the 6D is easily worth an extra $500 over the 5D2.

How do I know? I upgraded from a 5D2 to a 6D, and I will never go back!

Camera Performance is what this thread is about, Not IQ. My time with the 6D clearly demonstrated what the 6D really was, a Re-hashed 5d2 with marginally better IQ.

The 5d2's ability in low light is much lesser than the 6d.  If you are never in ISO 6400 and up situations there is no reason to choose a 6d over a 5d2, but if you shoot in low light the 6d is vastly improved over the 5d2.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 6D Autofocus not impressive
« on: April 02, 2013, 02:41:28 PM »
Also, got to shoot an event with the 6d today - dyngus day...there was dancing..

Thanks for the pics, but the most important information for me is to get real life impressions about how the 6d feels in real life, stress shooting conditions where different camera bodies do make a difference.

Some good or bad shots alone don't mean anything, you can get them out of any half-decent dlsr, though the keeper rate, constraints by limited fps/af system & the trust into the gear is much more important. But the 6d seems to do ok - and it should, in 2013 even @€1800 this is pretty damn expensive for what it is.

Marsu, here are some more thoughts on it.  IT's really not a bad little camera.  I did not find the limited AF to be much of an issue, at least in my situation (that's where my 5d3 shines).  I don't think anybody would be able to look at my images and be able to say, oh that ones obviously from the 6d.  Colors are good, detail is good.  From an IQ standpoint, I see no red flags at all.  It's in the little things that make me wonder what to do.  If i buy one it will be a compromise.

Likes:

Weight - the 6d with 16-35 lens attached weighs about as much as my gripped 5d3 with no lens attached.  I can see that being a huge plus for full day wedding coverage

IQ - the images do look pretty damn good.  I can't say too much on keeper rates because I was overshooting with it (not because I didn't trust it - but because it was a retal body and i wanted to view as many images as i possibly could)

AF - that center point is pretty damn accurate and I couldn't find many lighting situations where the 6d said no, can't do it (without a flash attached!)

ISO - Very impressed with how well the 6d did at high ISO's.  Files are very usable in the even at 12,800-25,600

Wifi- this is quite a neat feature. it may or may not be useful (doing some final tests on it today before packaging it up - actually right now I am doing it - with the camera set to never power off, just making sure i can still access the camera after my phone goes to sleep mode - also going to try the remote triggers again with the live view off)  PS - tests done - the wifi does seem to just shut right off and you need to access both camera and phone to get it back going - so that limits what can be done a bit ---- and - if you turn the liveview off on the the phone ap, you can trigger off cam lights...)

Dislikes:

no sync port - this would be a deal breaker if it were to be my main body.

AF - once the light gets dim the outer points become useless, not a deal breaker though because the center is solid

sync speed - I do wish it could sync at 1/200, but, I don't forsee this being too much of an issue

max shutter of 1/4000 - There will be situations where this will limit options, but again, not enough of an issue to be a deal breaker (this is another one of those if i didn't have a 5d3 as a primary body this would be a bigger issue)

read/write speeds - SD is slow!!!!!  This may be the back breaker for me with it.  At the small wedding yesterday, it was in big greenhouse and the light was shifting a lot, roaming clouds so it would get real bright real quick and if i fired a burst of 3-4 shots and went to get a quick preview to make sure i compensated, it would hang on the 'busy' screen for longer than I'd like.

battery life - battery does drain quite fast when wifi is enabled (note, I have no use for gps so i never tried using that).  Battery life is fine without using wifi, but, with that on be careful!


Other thoughts.  given the choice for backup bodies, at regular prices I can't see shelling out 3k when the 6d performs as well as I have witnessed.  If i can find a used or refurb 5d3 for around $2500, then the choice becomes harder.  this also depends on what deals pop up for either camera.  If I see another deal for a 6d at $1800, it will be hard to say no

Why would anyone buy a 6D when a refurb 5D3 is only a few bucks more?

My answer - if you are on a 5d2 and looking to upgrade, yeah, snag the 5d3.  I see the 6d as filling two niches - those looking to upgrade from crop to FF and those who are on a 5d3 and are looking to upgrade their backup.  I would recommend the 6d for those running the 5d3 5d2 combo - IQ is just as good as mk2 but its high ISO abilities make the 6d a much better backup than a 5d2. 

As to whether the 6d is the right solution for you?  It really depends on what you shoot.  If your in lots of controlled light and shoot between ISO 100-800 mostly, then the 5d2 is probably the better value for you.  If your shooting weddings though, the 6d performs really well at high ISO's, this beats out the 5d2 and then some.  If you shoot sports, the 6d won't be what you need - FPS is not that high and the read/write speeds will leave you waiting more than shooting.

back to the question of, is the 6d the answer?  I am still debating this myself.  Not sure which way I will go.  It will depend on a lot of things like how many more weddings will I book this year, what happens with deals and rebates, and what happens with the used/refurb market.  If i were to see a 5d3 refurb for $2400 and actually had the $2400 in my account, then there I go!  But, I have noticed that those refurbs tend to sell quickly.  And used ones are still pricey - B&H had one up a few weeks back for $2800. I will say this though, after a hands on with the 6d, it does make my decision harder because it is quite a capable little body.     


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EOS Bodies / Re: 6D Autofocus not impressive
« on: April 01, 2013, 09:09:01 PM »
Hey Marsu, here's one from the little mini wedding today.  I haven't spent too much time with the files, but this one I liked enough to give it a quick post process...

Also, got to shoot an event with the 6d today - dyngus day...there was dancing..

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EOS Bodies / Re: 6D Autofocus not impressive
« on: March 31, 2013, 04:44:55 PM »
Oh, and I was digging around the menus - there is an option to disable the auto power off.  gonna play around tonight and see if that fixes things (it should, as long as the cam is on and the phone is connected it should work!)

Please do, because as I wrote I've read this before - there seems to be a hard limit to how long wifi can stay active, but maybe I'm mistaken (in this case, I'd remove the Magic Lantern feature request :-o).

Reason is: I also want to buy a 6d which for my budget is very expensive, so also don't want to end up with some hidden show stoppers (like the current 5d3 af assist bug - but Canon might fix that now 1+ years after camera release...)

similar here, my wedding biz is really just beginning and I am stepping up the ladder of probably not making as much as I could (I see my value, but I need a few more seasons to have perceived value).  And I am getting married this year too, so, money is tight.  Yes, the 6d has many little downsides.  But are those downsides enough to warrant spending an extra 1K for a second 5d3?  I'm still unsure.  Next season I should be doing better and my expenses will be lower without a wedding to plan.  If grab a 6d this season, I should be able to swap that out next year (and by next year there will be more used and refurb 5d3's kicking around). 

Here are a few more shots from my rental tests!

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EOS Bodies / Re: 6D Autofocus not impressive
« on: March 31, 2013, 04:17:03 PM »
2 things I found out last night that are negatives --- one is odd - if you try to use the remote wifi ap with off cam lighting, it won't pop the flashes.  It will pop the flash if the flash is on camera.  Why would that be?


Probably because this is the 1.0 release of the app, Canon delivered that in the short dev timeframe for the 6d when panicking about the Nikon d600 release. Pray someone revers engineers the communication so that 3rd party apps are possible...

The other thing, - if the camera goes into sleep mode, it disappears from the available networks on the phone, so there is no way to 'wake' the camera up.


I already read about that, it's most likely due to the 6d wifi position as an "amateur" travel cam where long battery life is important. But it's still completely idiotic because Canon also markets the wifi feature for wildlife, the only current workaround until a fw update is to do something with the app every now and then to prevent sleep mode. There are two things you can do:

1. Bug Canon with this bug, they acknowledge problems after many complaints in their official forum (like the 5d3 af assist bug): http://forums.usa.canon.com/t5/EOS/bd-p/eos

2. Use Magic Lantern, I just posted a feature request for an option to disable 6d sleep mode (can you please check if the problem description if accurate)? http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5008.msg29874#msg29874


I could get the flash issue if it didn't trigger the on cam flash, why it ignores the trigger is a big I don't know or get it...i guess canon just assumed the people buying this body wouldn't be interested or even have the capability to do off camera lighting...

Oh, and I was digging around the menus - there is an option to disable the auto power off.  gonna play around tonight and see if that fixes things (it should, as long as the cam is on and the phone is connected it should work!)  I just don't want to end up buying this camera thinking i can set it up behind the alter to get shots of brides and grooms only to find that i can't activate the camera!

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