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Let me clarify that half/ rant.

I used to have a main body - 7d-and a backup - t2i. The 7d wasnt cutting it visually and the af broke down, so i had to get rid of it. As the image quality is very pleasing, ive been shooting with the t2i exclusively for the last year. However its already been to the shop twice and now the lcd in the screen is not showing the iso correctly.

Basically ive been waiting for a new 7d level body, and it just hasnt shown up yet. I miss the solid body, joystiq and the af options of the 7d.  tried to like the 6d, but i just dont, and the focus point spread is abysmal for portrait work IMHO. Im not a fan of focus recompose method, or excessive cropping. I really think that camera has to many limitations to be worth 1600+. Nah.

  • I actually would like to purchase a 5d3 but i am building my portrait studio and the money is just not there.
  • I already have a rebel so buying another for 5/600 is not really in my plan.

So yup, i am working hard.

your options are being limited not by what canon offers, but by what compromises you wish to make.  The 7d2 will mostly be close to 2k (possibly more if they want to really make it the flagship APS-C) - and - IMO for portrait work your spending a ton extra for a body that really isn't made for it!  the 7d series is for fast shooting, sports, birds in flight, with the crop factor it has the more mans tele extender. 

The 6d is an amazing portrait camera.  It works nicely with all of my lenses from primes to zooms.  As a former 7d owner, the FF models (botht he 6d and the 5d3) blow the 7d out of the water in IQ (and I loved my 7d when I had it). 

if your willing to save up the 2k to snag the n7d2 (whenever that gets to the market), I'd say just grin and bear it and take that time to save the extra cash and grab a refurb 5d3 (if your working hard, then you should have the extra 1k before they even announce the 7d2)

Here's some examples of portraits with the 6d...it really isn't a bad camera at all!!!!!

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So is your T2i broken? 

You're clamoring for a new body, but complaining the price of the T4i is too high...yet both the T5i and SL1 were announced earlier this year and are both newer than the T4i.  If something newer is announced tomorrow, I hope you realize it's going to be more expensive than the T4i which is last year's model after all.

A portrait shooter should be strongly considering the 6D, but you state it's not for you.  Why not?  It's exactly what 'a portrait shooter that cant afford a 5d3' should be considering...

So I say, not wtf Canon, but wtf ashmadux!   ::)

+100

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List
« on: June 27, 2013, 06:24:17 PM »
Is it just me or does that look like 7D to me?

No, it's not just you  8).

Except for the articulating LCD, this is basically the 7D ... with a new sensor.

This makes me wonder what form the 7d2 will take...if the XXD series inherits the old AF...does the 7d2 get the 1dx AF?

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EOS Bodies / Re: Pick between two options for the Canon 7D II
« on: June 27, 2013, 06:16:37 PM »
I don't like those options at all.

ISO 6400 is not really usable on 5D3, so on 7D2? Not gonna happen... I guess this comes down to the definition of "usable". My shooting style is to avoid high ISOs especially when it's dark.

Then the slow burst rate combined with the higher mega pickles... What's the point? Well, if it's a macro only camera then yeah, I'd go with this options just to get more room for additional cropping.


Megapickles? ROFL. Best typo ever.

Why do you say 5d3 not usable at 6400...there's been some truly awesome example online at even 12800 (or am i thinking the 6d?)

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From both the mk3 and the 6d...the 6d has a slight edge at higher ISO's but not by much.  My guess is that this comment is from someone who likes to work in the lowest ISO's possible.  To each their own, I have no problem with either the mk3 or the 6d at or above 6400

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I disagree, because there is no other full frame camera which exceeds the 6D's overall performance and quality, for the money. 

Well, the D600 exceeds it, of course  8).

FYI, not everyone is smitten like you by the 1-point AF system (effectively) on the 6D.
And not everyone is OK with a 1-point AF system (effectively) and consumer ergonomics on a $2K camera.
I know what good value is for me - and the 6D is not.

The d600 has it's strengths and so does the 6d.  the d600 beats the 6d in servo, DR and resolution, and dual cards (yes there is the x-sync but that's really of no concern to me).  the 6d beats the d600 in overall low light capabilities (center point can AF in any light, better IQ and DR above ISO 6400).

it's not a 1 point system!  the outer points work pretty good until you get into some real low light, then its 1 point, but one point that can AF in pretty much any situation!!!!

LOL though, I am still editing that wedding where my second shooter had a D4 and a D3s --- and on my end it was the 6d and the 5d3...each cameras images are really good (which is awesome that the 6d's IQ is on par with other pro FF bodies!  So....while the value may not be there for you, it certainly is for me!

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Surprised no one has asked what the intended use was for.   

I snagged a 6d a few weeks ago and so far so good.  For me, it's a backup to a 5d3, so as a backup body the things that are lacking in it aren't of much worry to me.  I shoot weddings and portraits and use it with confidence.

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Landscape / Re: Sunset landscape
« on: June 26, 2013, 08:25:53 PM »
I love sunsets and have been working on shooting portraits with sunsets...  here are a few!

the last one is actually done self portrait style using the good old intervelometer

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EOS Bodies / Re: 6D Autofocus not impressive
« on: June 26, 2013, 03:05:17 PM »

I can justify the price of the 6D, but in my opinion the AF system of the 6D does not live up to its price unless you use the center AF point almost 90-95% of the time. I love the fact that the 5D3 has a lot of AF points located at the thirds of the image (horizontally and vertically), but I find it very hard to justify its price. I'm also afraid that Canon will release a "5D4" within the next 1-2 years with a lot more dynamic range at low ISO than the current 5D3.

That's why I'm not buying a new camera for now. However I'm keeping an eye out for the "to be announced" 70D and 7D2 though. And I'm also keeping the 5D3 and possibly the 6D in the back of my head.

Just a friendly observation - Your not buying a camera for the AF system alone, your buying a camera for the overall package, AF is just a part of it.  Not saying that I think you should or should not buy it - but - I highly advice making a decision on it based on AF alone.  Do a google search on 5d2 images and you will see stunning images ---the 6d is capable of producing equally stunning images...

as to product cycle, 5d3 should still have at least 2 more years on it, more likely 3.  I view it like this, theres lots of talk about canons directions, rumors of a new sensor process to boost DR and MP.  It would make sense to me to see canon putting all effort towards low ISO performance (because thats where nikon has the edge).  If that's what they are in fact, then I can see a very nice formula - the 6d and 5d3 stepped up the high ISO game at the expense of improvements in MP and DR.  So the next models may very well be the exact opposite.  Better DR, higher MP, but limited high ISO (if test bodies are in the wild, then this phase is done and its on to the next project.  They will then shift the R&D towards perfecting the new sensors to deal with high ISO work.  Thats when you get your 5d4!  Just a guess, but I think its a good guess!

As to the 6d, that may have a quicker update as its considered an entry level camera.  Maybe that's the plan, the 6d2 will arrive next summer with 11 points but more of them cross points...pure speculation, they may keep it on a 2 year cycle.  who knows, for all we know the specs on the 6d are actually because canon got caught with their pants down with the d600 and had to release something quick.  and yup, that leads to the other factor -  nikon - how will they play out their upgrades? 

Either way, what I am ultimately trying to say -- with no announcement of a 7d2, its a rough gamble to wait to upgrade.  The only other options seems to be a 70d, or whatever the big MP may bring.  It would be silly of canon to not at least have the 70d ready to ship before the christmas season.  I'd think that the 7d2 would be ready, but with no announcement or even real solid rumors, that may be a 2014 body.  Same for big MP, who knows, 2014?  2015?  So, keep that in mind.  Waiting for the next big thing may be a dangerous game, especially because with the exception of the 70d, the price tags will be at least 2k

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6D Sample Images / Re: Anything shot with a 6D
« on: June 26, 2013, 02:08:02 PM »
I have been really liking my 6d...it's odd, comparing to my mk3, there are some times where the colors fro mthe 6d pop a lot more than the mk3.  And other times where the mk3 shines...I have been using them in tandem and having a lot of fun!

6d, 50mm lens at f8, 1/125, and 2 430 ex's to camera right

I hate happy couples, but that's a nice shot!

I know what i do isn't everyones cup of tea, but, I see mostly landscapes and macro work here.  As someone who was greatly interested in how the 6d would stand up to shooting both people and weddings seeing more portrait work would have been awesome.  So, I post my portrait work here, that way others on the fence and wondering may see!

First is a mix of both portrait/landscape!

then a few wedding images

Nice shots!  I'm just jealous I can't marry all those women.  I'm in dire need of love and being nagged to death by a myriad of wives!

I wish I could make as much money from my photography as wedding shooters do, that's for sure.

TY Man, but ---- doing this kind of work isn't the big cash grab you may think, at least not for everyone.  This is only my second season shooting weddings.   Established weddings togs do make a decent living, but thats the key...established!  Last year I shot 6 weddings as primary shooter -- 2 of them in the 2k range, the other 4 sub 1k (basically ceremony only), and i shot 12 as 2nd shooter  This year I have 4 in the 2k range, and 7 below 1.5k.  So far 3 second shooter gigs.  Next year i should have more full coverage weddings and less second shooting.  But to really be making it with weddings you need to be doing 25-30 weddings at 2k at least, and that goal is probably at least 2-3 years off.

That's still a very nice paycheck.  What area are you in, if I may ask?

I would just like to edit images for wedding or event shooters.

Buffalo NY....

it's not horrible pay, about 13k...lop the taxes off of that though and its 10 k, then gear, advertising....it won't be a self suficient operation for a few more years.  With that said, growth is growth!

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I dunno...just struck me as quite odd to hear so many seem to actually almost take offense at someone bothering to speak to them in public at all. I know in the NE of the US, that people aren't quite as friendly as we are in general in the southern US, but I just figured it was mostly up there, but sounds like this is prevalent in much of the world?

I know exactly where you're coming from.

I should add, regarding my zoo memory, I did engage in small chit-chat with the folks at the lion pit. I'm always happy to "talk" gear, as I truly feel passionate about it, and about the prospect of potentially learning something new. Unless I feel that I'm in immediate danger of being mugged, I'm always happy to discuss my gear when approached.

I live in an area (Buffalo, NY region) that has a pretty heavy photographer population. I've experienced firsthand and observed folks being rebuffed by "pros" and the (please forgive me) "hipsters with cameras" when they were approached to talk about their gear. That goes back to me mentioning some carry a "holier than thou" attitude. Of course, different situations call for different reactions, and my good experiences far outweigh the bad.

Now before I put my foot in my mouth, I am speaking solely of experiences in my region. It honestly seems like people are more approachable elsewhere...must be that "New York Minute" mentality, huh? :)

Nice to meet a fellow buffalonian on CR! ---West side here, born and bred!!!

I can concur on most of the comments here.  Oddly enough, for event work I use the 16-35...and even with that lens I get people saying - you must get some great range from that!  I kindly correct them, then snap a shot and show them. 

On the theft level though, buffalo does have some sketchy areas.  I had a buddy that was shooting in the abandoned buildings around the central terminal.  He got held up at gun point (luckily his camera was mounted to tripod in another room for a long exposure).

What i find real interesting though, doing events, how many times do ya'll get the...wow, your taking all these pictures, let me snap one of you?  I am nice so generally i will first put the strap around their neck, then watch to see what they do.   Most will assume it works like a P&S and stare at the blank screen wondering whats wrong...i show them...no you look through here...then they can't find the buttons, then when they are ready...they mash the button down and i here a rapid succession of 6 clicks...lol


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I see a lot of people who take pictures with their hoods reversed. I've been tempted to ask them what that's all about but I've resisted and just went about my business with my lens hood the right way on hoping they'll take the hint.

I get asked the basic small talk like "what kind of camera is that?" Etc. I think I'm going to start making up bullS___ to see if they clock on.

Question I like answering are ones about technique or specific to what I'm doing. Then it feels like I'm helping them rather then them just filling an awkward silence.

I have been guilty of shooting with my hood reversed...lol...sometimes indoors when i know i just want a quick few shots with it, i leave it resersed cause its easier...same for outdoors..if i know i am just gonna snap a few then go back to another lens, I don't bother putting the hood in the proper position...lol  if i am on an actual shoot though different story!

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6D Sample Images / Re: Anything shot with a 6D
« on: June 26, 2013, 11:25:02 AM »
I have been really liking my 6d...it's odd, comparing to my mk3, there are some times where the colors fro mthe 6d pop a lot more than the mk3.  And other times where the mk3 shines...I have been using them in tandem and having a lot of fun!

6d, 50mm lens at f8, 1/125, and 2 430 ex's to camera right

I hate happy couples, but that's a nice shot!

I know what i do isn't everyones cup of tea, but, I see mostly landscapes and macro work here.  As someone who was greatly interested in how the 6d would stand up to shooting both people and weddings seeing more portrait work would have been awesome.  So, I post my portrait work here, that way others on the fence and wondering may see!

First is a mix of both portrait/landscape!

then a few wedding images

Nice shots!  I'm just jealous I can't marry all those women.  I'm in dire need of love and being nagged to death by a myriad of wives!

I wish I could make as much money from my photography as wedding shooters do, that's for sure.

TY Man, but ---- doing this kind of work isn't the big cash grab you may think, at least not for everyone.  This is only my second season shooting weddings.   Established weddings togs do make a decent living, but thats the key...established!  Last year I shot 6 weddings as primary shooter -- 2 of them in the 2k range, the other 4 sub 1k (basically ceremony only), and i shot 12 as 2nd shooter  This year I have 4 in the 2k range, and 7 below 1.5k.  So far 3 second shooter gigs.  Next year i should have more full coverage weddings and less second shooting.  But to really be making it with weddings you need to be doing 25-30 weddings at 2k at least, and that goal is probably at least 2-3 years off.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 6D Autofocus not impressive
« on: June 25, 2013, 08:37:30 PM »
I have an issue with this, because, its not as if there is no alternative, just not in this price range.

Of course I was talking of the same price range, that's the whole point...

In my eyes, the d600 isn't really any 'better' than the 6d in the real world, only on paper.  In practice, they are right on par with one another.

Back to my original issue with your comments though, it sounds like you just want a mk3 for the price of a 6d, and it also sounds like you think the d600 is more on par with the mk3 too, which isn't true.

You've misunderstood me there, the d600 is a 6d competitor because of the price range alone, let alone the vastly different specs.

Price range and overall capabilites...LOL...it's funny because I just shot a wedding and my second shooter had a d3s and a d4...you know what...my 6d images stand up very nicely against these 2 upper end nikon bodies...

max sync speed - 1/200
memory cards - SD

6d only has 1/180s x-sync, d600 has *two* sd-card slots, the latter a decisive difference for business shoting.

1/180th vs 1/200th...that hardly makes a difference in real world shooting.  2 slots would have been nicer...but my point there was that neither of these bodies use CF cards.  I'd rather have 1 CF slot..

So, the d600, while yes it is a fine camera and I wouldn't hesitate to recommend it to any shooters who currently shoot with nikon gear, but ---I wouldn't recommend switching systems based on AF alone. 

I wouldn't either, that's why I'll stay with Canon (and because of Magic Lantern), but it's an important difference nevertheless and the topic of this whole thread.

Again, kind of sounds like you want to have your cake and eat it too. With all things in photography you have to make compromises unless you have an unlimited budget.

There's nothing wrong with wanting to have a cake and eat it at the same time :-) ...
Yeah, it would be great, but...lol.  we are talking about likelihood here!!!!!  Canon won't be adding another 2k FF, not until it's time to talk 6d2...

... but I'm well aware of the need to compromise, that's why I've got my current equipment: 60d (instead of 7d2), 70-300L (instead of 70-200L+extenders), 17-40L (instead of 16-35L), 100 non-L macro (only recently upgraded it to the L), 430ex2 (only just bought a "big" flash). You see, I'm putting much though into what I really need and what can afford at a given time.

there is no 7d2!!!!  not yet at any rate.  And the price of that will most likelyu be close to, or equal the cost of a 6d.  So unless your shooting sports and need the frame rate, my bet is that the 6d will still be better  for those that shoot weddings - APS-C sensors, unless canon has one hell of an update to them, I don't see an APS-C body pumping out great images at ISO 6400 or greater.

This list can go on and on...we can't expect canon or nikon to tailor make our products to each of our personal needs and desires.  So we balance the decision based on wants vs needs vs available budget.

As a second camera the 6d is just fine, and I'll be sure to keep my 60d along when I buy the 6d - but it is a rather specialized product, while the Nikon is a more "overall" competent model if you only have one camera body.

The only area I think the d600 really edges out the 6d is in servo mode tracking, due to the density of AF points.  the spread of those points is really no different though, so tracking is better, but you still aren't getting that extreme corner framed shot though

I feel Nikon has a more coherent setup here, the less expensive camera has cut specs across the board, while Canon chose to add some consumer features (gps, wifi), cut some things a lot (esp. af) while keeping other specs on par with the more expensive model. That's the cause of the whole 6d "value" discussion - if you happen to want/need what the  6d delivers you're happy, if you expect more of an upgrade over the 5d2 in this price range in other areas you might be a little set back and wait for the price to drop some.


both of these camera have cut specs!  They are both cheaper versions of their 2nd tier FF line.  Compare the d600 to the d800, and then read the nikon forums and talk to nikon shooters and you definitely find that yes ---the grass is in fact always greener because the many of nikon folks wanted the d800 to be a d700 with better AF and ISO performance - what they got was a MP bloated beast which some are happy with, but not all by a long shot.  The d600 is more what d700 users were looking for, but gimped (1/4000th SS limit, no sync port, SD only, less rugged build).

As to that last statement...5d2 users have their upgrade...its the 5d3!  Remember that when the 5d2 was launched it was very close to 3k in price.  The successor to the 5d2 is the 5d3 - and because the mk3 was such a large upgrade both in specs and cost, and the market was calling for a cheaper FF that wasn't 'used,' so now we have a 6d.  I'd be willign to bet that nikon's reasoning with the d600 is similar.



see inside quote for replies...

And a PS...attached is one image that i do think is telling in regards to the 6d's AF ---I was shooting a comdey show, just waiting fort he headliner to come on and said lets see what happens.  Settings --

ISO 25,600, f2.8, 1/40th  ---no post processing (simply exporting the RAW to jpeg).  It was dark as hell in there, yes it is center point...no flash for AF assist either.  I was using my 70-200 which does not have IS so I couldn't go much below 1/40th, hence why its dark...the point is...the AF should have been hunting there, but it didn't!!!

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6D Sample Images / Re: Anything shot with a 6D
« on: June 25, 2013, 06:36:01 PM »
I have been really liking my 6d...it's odd, comparing to my mk3, there are some times where the colors fro mthe 6d pop a lot more than the mk3.  And other times where the mk3 shines...I have been using them in tandem and having a lot of fun!

6d, 50mm lens at f8, 1/125, and 2 430 ex's to camera right

I hate happy couples, but that's a nice shot!

I know what i do isn't everyones cup of tea, but, I see mostly landscapes and macro work here.  As someone who was greatly interested in how the 6d would stand up to shooting both people and weddings seeing more portrait work would have been awesome.  So, I post my portrait work here, that way others on the fence and wondering may see!

First is a mix of both portrait/landscape!

then a few wedding images

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EOS Bodies / Re: Pick between two options for the Canon 7D II
« on: June 25, 2013, 04:49:05 PM »

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Canon does need to get a slow camera out there, optimized for IQ and low ISO performance
6D is just like that.

While i have the 6d, and yes it is a fine backup body to my 5d3, what I was referring to is the much rumored big MP body.  I said LOW ISO performance, better IQ in the 100-800 range.  The 6d  shines in the high ISO.

Yes, I like mine too. For now, ~20MP is enough, but if there was an option of high MP FF camera, let say ... 6.5D 50MP, 1fps, usable ISO 1600, for $2000 ... I would get it instead of 6D (specially if it was mirrorless :)) )

You are a dreamer!!!!  50MP body APS-C sensor for 2k?   that sounds like what we'll have in 2020!

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