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EOS Bodies / Re: After a 50MP camera what is the next breakthrough?
« on: February 17, 2015, 01:21:24 PM »
I saw this at EOS HD and seemed funny enough for here. sorry if repost but I think this should be their next breakthrough :)

EOS Bodies / Re: More Confirmation EOS C300 Mark II Will be 4K
« on: February 12, 2015, 01:51:52 PM »
I'm sorry but what else would it be? 8K? if you're not 4K you basically don't exist.

EOS Bodies / Re: Skipping the 5D-s. What do you want in 5D4?
« on: February 12, 2015, 01:50:29 PM »
Mirrorless  ;)


EOS Bodies / Re: DR from 5Ds will be 2 stop better then 7D mk II
« on: February 12, 2015, 01:48:46 PM »
B. The 5Ds has more editing latitude

to me this just means he's switching to pixel talk. and he's right. you do have more latitude to edit if you have more data even if the tonal depth of that data is shallower.

but whatever. parsing it further is meaningless. And I'm sure since the canon DR and shadow noise problem is as well known as iphones bending, the #1 thing every test will make sure to cover is how, if at all, they have fixed this problem. And given the difficulty of doing a proper test, I'm sure we'll have half the threads claiming it is the best DR on earth, and half of the others claiming it is worse.

Personally I'm not going to look at computational single digit tests like dxo. I'm going to watch Lloyd Chambers blog as well as a few other highly methodical reviewers. Plus the guy has a lot of experience exposing the DR woes on the 5DMKIII which still to this day many deny.

EOS Bodies / Re: DPReview Interview with Chuck Westfall of Canon USA
« on: February 12, 2015, 01:39:47 PM »
How many landscapre phootgraphers are there that can afford 4000$ camera that demands 2000% lens?

This is a STUDIO CAMERA. So, product photography, commercial photography!

Learn you market.

I don't know.  How many are there?  Read the Luminous Landscape forum and they are using cameras & lenses that cost that much and much more, for landscape, product, commercial, and whatever.  Some landscape photographers are willing to pay a lot for resolution.  Camera makers know their market better than internet commenters do.

Exactly my point. Some landscape photographers are able to pay that much, but every commercial photographer is willing to do so.
But, because all these high-end marketing executives are wanna be photographers who got absolutely no idea what market wants or needs, it's left up to the engineering department to their job as well.
This camera is a great proposal, and if you look at it's features it's clearly meant to battle MF offerings. It doesn't need gps and wifi to do so, because those cameras don't have those features, either. It is a great landscape camera, but mentioning wedding photography and stupid things like that???? Come on, it's the worst possible camera for the job. Low shutter count, large files, small frames per second count... 1DX is a camera for that.

This is a studio camera, just like MF cameras, it absolutely works as a landscape camera, but it's buyers are likely commercial photographers, and landscapes are just one part of their job. No decent wedding photographer is going to buy this, unless it's a shoot for the cover of a magazine.

The 1DX is a fantastic camera, but I much prefer the 5D3 and 6D for weddings to anything as large & heavy as the 1DX.  The 5DS would be a *great* wedding camera too.  "Worst possible for the job"?  I don't know how anyone can say that.  The estimated shutter count is fine for a number of years, and shutters are not that expensive to replace.  Large files of the 5DS are absolutely no problem because the raw file size is variable, so you have large when you want large and medium and small when you don't want large.  Frames per second is perfectly adequate for weddings.  A wedding is not the Olympics or professional sports.  It's no surprise that previous 5D series cameras have been extremely popular for weddings (with the same or similar shutter count and frame rate).  And the 5DS now brings the possibility of shooting very high res square photos, similar to some wedding cameras of the film era.

I'm glad to see wedding talk. I recall almost universal agreement as to why 36MP was worse of weddings in every respect because it was huge, not necessary, and didn't go to ISO 500K. I predicted the tunes would change as soon as canon went higher. I'm not saying you changed your view and I'm not applying this to you, but I'm amazed as to how suddenly 50MP is just right for weddings because they are canon MP :p. Many Photographers are so brand dishonest with their statements that it is sad to see how they flip 180 just on a logo. I was all along on board that 36 was never too much, and I'm still on board that 50 isn't too much either. It's basically 8K vs 7K. I'm interested to know if Sony will go for a sweet spot of 40s or if they'll go for marketing and push into the 60s and beyond. That may make me question if we have reached the limits of oversampling and bayer demosaic benefits. I've often heard 80-100 is where we need to be in order to start thinking about oversampling being part of what you buy into, not just the sheer pixel count for 1:1 manipulation.

However as for the DR concerns, I finally watched the video and I don't know if much can be made from it. However IF it is indeed the case that the 5Ds offers no DR improvements, and that its video image quality is a step back from the 5DIII, I think clearly this camera wasn't ready but was rushed out to try to beat whatever it was Sony is working on. It feels that management came and saw the D800 announcement 2 years ago, and tasked the team to ship more MP ASAP, everything else be damned. So they did (it seems).

I really expected 4K and high DR with dual pixel AF and all the canon goodies into one bad ass mo-fo body. I guess the 5Dmk4 will have to raise to the occasion.

EOS Bodies / Re: DR from 5Ds will be 2 stop better then 7D mk II
« on: February 12, 2015, 09:55:24 AM »
I was reading Lloyd Chambers and he says that DR is identical to 5DmkIII?

I tried to find his reference but it seems he hasn't tested it so the jury still out.

No, he is doing exactly what everybody else is doing, repeating the comments from Canon techs that say exactly that, the 5DS DR is the same/equivalent to the 5D MkIII. There is no mystery in that and he knows nothing that is not public knowledge.

The DR of the 5DR/S IS THE SAME as the 5D MkIII, there is no discussion on that, the only point of interest is the Canon comment that there is improved shadow and highlight latitude. Some say those two comments contradict each other, I think the first is worded ambiguously enough that both might well be true.

Interesting. I'm sure he'll carry out his usual tests so I look forward to finding out where this new gear lands. He nailed the banding issues on the prior canon bodies so if one person can call it fixed, it should be this guy.

possibly. Sony is a MUCH larger company than canon with far more technical muscle and sensor marketshare. So it makes sense for canon to offload resources and just use sony parts to focus on areas that it should. I think it is a smart thing. The reality is that as they have shown in the video market with their entries sweeping the competition under the bus, Sony is a powerhouse on electronics. If they are willing to license their tech, the smaller players like canon, nikon, and others should just tweak sony designs in much the same way video card makers tweak with Nvidia and ATI designs.

EOS Bodies / Re: Skipping the 5D-s. What do you want in 5D4?
« on: February 12, 2015, 09:45:07 AM »
for video, EOSHD put it nicely. The 5D-s is a 2012 camera in 2015.

It think 4K was a huge missed opportunity for canon here.

resolution wise, I think it is right where it needs to be. It is a bit conservative for the times. You get 8.6K pixels of horizontal data which is about 1.3K more than where we landed two years ago with 36 MP. It is a bit less of a jump than going from 5.7K 20MP sensors to 7.3K, but not by much. I think most manufacturers will land somewhere in the 8K horizontal resolution. So basically it will be good for two years or so until we start seeing pushes to 9-10K. I think for a 5D4 they should stay at 50 but improve on the DR and base ISO which should have been 64 in this camera to keep up with what others are doing. Better yet, push it to 32. And DR goes without saying has to be at least 14 stops to put it on par with 3 year old standards, if not take it to 15 stops to market it as better.

EOS Bodies / Re: Don't understand why
« on: February 12, 2015, 09:33:13 AM »
it's just engineer talk to make an interesting article. everything is always pumped up to show how good they are. just pr.

EOS Bodies / Re: DR from 5Ds will be 2 stop better then 7D mk II
« on: February 12, 2015, 09:32:21 AM »
I was reading Lloyd Chambers and he says that DR is identical to 5DmkIII?

I tried to find his reference but it seems he hasn't tested it so the jury still out.

EOS Bodies / Re: After a 50MP camera what is the next breakthrough?
« on: February 12, 2015, 09:28:05 AM »
50MP is an evolution not really a breakthrough. It's 8K vs 7K lines. If you had say, gone 80-100MP then maybe that could be called a breakthrough. As it stands, it is just a scaled up APS-C pixel pitch density from years ago.

you want a breakthrough, here are some ideas:

-15 stops of DR, or 16 or maybe even higher DR at higher ISOs to avoid the DR nosedive at high ISOs.
-single exposure HDR by taking a high MP sensor and reading it at variable ISO per line similar to what magic lantern was playing with
-a non bayer sensor of the likes of foveon
-full readout high MP 4K video sensor. do away with pixel bins, line skipping nonsense
-a real bump in pixel pitch density. APS-C should logically go to ~40 and full frame to ~70. THAT's a breakthrough
-really, really low ISO base. I'm talking 16 or so enabling high aperture lenses with sync speeds of 1/250 under the full sun.
-while we talk sync speed, how about a new shutter, or electronic shutter that is as good as current shutters but has a sync speed of 1/8000, THAT'S a breakthrough.
-Medium format :)

so on. Sorry but 50MP is just keep up. It's the next step and it was predicted long ago that it was going to happen. A breakthrough changes everything. 50MP won't. In fact I'm going to predict that a consumer friendly 80-100MP camera will show up in less than a year just because the technology is there already and higher pixel densities have been around for a long long time.

EOS Bodies / Re: Bingo! New Canon 5Ds has 50.6 MP new rumored specs
« on: January 30, 2015, 11:22:47 AM »
really glad to see canon join the present. Suddenly everybody will now think MP matters again :). off course we all knew it was just Nikon/Sony envy and that the MP race isn't over at all.

This is indeed fantastic news. I can't wait to see sony's response too. good times.

EOS Bodies / Re: High Megapixel Camera Coming in 2015 [CR3]
« on: December 18, 2014, 11:13:26 AM »
Some people are excited, some are denouncing this. One thing is for certain: this is a huge buzz that will not just affect Canon shooters but shake up the market for other brands as well. Studio/landscape shooters will be flocking to this 50MP body if all goes well, and suddenly Nikon and Sony will have to have something like this.

"if all goes well".

If by that you mean "Canon delivers a FF sensor with competitive IQ." (better DR, no pattern noise)

Consider that Sony is also expected to deliver a FF sensor in the 40-50MP range early in 2015.

If I had to choose between (say) a 46MP Sony Exmor based camera that was just as good as the Nikon D810/610 or a 50MP Canon sensor based camera that had the same IQ as the 7D2, I'd still go for the non-Canon camera because simply having more MP doesn't give me a better quality picture.

And in 6 months time, maybe that will be the debate here:

"Canon has more MP, better AF!"
"Sony has more DR, better IQ!"

... but the problem for lots of us will be that a FF sensor that performs the same as the 7D2 sensor won't represent anything new or better: there will be just more of it.

This is spot on. nobody will really flock to this from other brands. But I suspect many landscape people stuck with canon and 22MP will. So it will be a movement within canon. Why? 36-50MP will be the same as comparing 22-36. Yes it is better, no question, but not enough to justify a quick jump without seeing what Sony has up their sleeves and their rumored 40-50MP sensor, which as you say offer more than just high MP.  If sony were to take as long as canon took to do this, they may be an issue, but given how sony moves these days, I think the chances are high 2015 will see their new flagship FF sensor move higher. I just don't see sony being so slow as canon is to move in particular because sony revived this trend and caught canon with the pants down. Sony likely has been working on the 36MP successor from the time they were working on the 36MP final stages.

EOS Bodies / Re: High Megapixel Camera Coming in 2015 [CR3]
« on: December 18, 2014, 11:04:55 AM »
Having bought a D800 and some pro level Nikon Glass, my big issues were post processing high ISO images.  It was taking a minute for Lightroom to run the NR on a image, and that was a modern i7 pc at the time.
I've upgraded computers twice since, and those old D800 images process reasonably fast now.  However, I still am uncertain about having to process 2500 images.
The big Use I get out of high MP images is the ability to crop, but that's only if they are pixel sharp, and the Nikon images were very noisy when severely cropped, while I can crop my 5D MK III without that concern.
Still, if there is a high ISO improvement, and dual pixel technology, I'll be very interested, and will likely pre-order, if only just to get a place in line.
If the 1D X drops a bunch in price, I'll jump and buy a used one.

sorry to break it to you but if you think the 800 is noisy, this will disappoint you. It will also crawl your PC. But that's easy, just get a new one :) The noise levels in shadows on the 5DIII are nothing to behold so your bar isn't that high, yet I think it is too high for a 50MP sensor which will act more like an APSC sensor today. Quite simple if you really need high ISO, at the expense of your dynamic range, stay low MP.

EOS Bodies / Re: High Megapixel Camera Coming in 2015 [CR3]
« on: December 18, 2014, 11:00:24 AM »
as expected. I also expect a lot that said "36MP is too much" to eat crow and buy the thing anyway because we all know it is only bad if you can't get it  8)

Then it will be all about how much it sucks to be under 50 etc. fanboys will be fanboys.

More down to earth, sony/nikon sensors will push to 50MP or so based on scaling their existing 24MP designs. The question was not if, but when. I'm surprised it didn't happen this year to be honest. I think 2015 is a good year for this to happen. Given canon totally missed the trend during the last iteration it is a mistake they won't do again and maybe deliver a true 5DMkII replacement which used to be the best value for the dollar and deliver the best detail you could buy. Today that is the D810 and surely the high resolution market isn't going away.

One thing is for sure: the day of the low light religion being the only measure are over. And I'm glad. Not everybody shoots in a dark closet with the lights off.

Which brings the question, with the MP race doing one last push, will sony now head to extend their DR lead? I think as ISO and MP stop selling bodies, HDR single frame will.

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