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PowerShot / Re: SX50 outperforming 5DIII +100-400mm

« on: April 17, 2013, 04:16:22 PM »

thanks for the comparison. I'm not surprised. After all, the low pixel density 20 MP sensor on the 5DmkIII really isn't designed to maximize detail and allow for anything but the most conservative cropping. That camera has other priorities. Anybody who's shot with a D800, or even an entry level 24MP APS-C or micro 4/3s body knows that pixel density of upwards of 50+MP would be required for a full frame sensor to match the result of smaller sensors when heavy cropping is required, which pours cold water on the bogus theory that we've reached the usable MP limits of FF sensors. I have hope for such cameras to come in 2014 and the glass is certainly up to it for APS-C sensors demands more than any full frame sensor and when you crop, the edge performance is less critical than the center.

I was very impressed with the m4/3s system and its ability to deliver comparable or superior images to what used to require telephoto lenses costing north of 5K for a fraction of the cost. As such, I'm not at all surprised the SX50 beats the 5DIII. I'd bet it can probably beat the D800e which has only has a pixel pitch equivalent to a 16MP APS-C sensor. It doesn't even push today's APS-C specs in terms of pixel density much less m4/3.

Consider you did this with a consumer grade SX50. If one of the big camera OEMs decided to start producing a line of pro lenses and bodies designed with small sensors, super fast AF, and features designed to serve the big telephoto audience's demands, THEY'D BURRY the competition and those huge 10lb setups for good. Off course, canon would never cannibalize its profitable big lens niche but maybe somebody else will.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: "I am boycotting Nikon" campaign

« on: April 13, 2013, 08:00:36 AM »

am I supposed to sell my gear because of a junior marketing guy did? 

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Crazy... go Nikon?

« on: April 13, 2013, 07:48:15 AM »

Why some of you are so stuck in a camera system is beyond me specially when long are the days where they were the only real choice.

Maybe because we are stuck to a lens system and consider the camera an accessory?

That's hypocrisy. If cameras were accessories, we would all be still shooting with our back-in-the-day-amazing 350D.

Actually, I was shooting with the 350D until three years ago. It was not the right accessory however because its sensor was 40% of what most Canon lenses can cover.

The truth is that you need a camera, a lens and a photographer to take a picture - and as a chain is only as strong as its weakest link, the same is true for the IQ. Moreover, with post-processing being now a more and more fundamental step of a photographic workflow, sensors and the malleability of their RAW output are becoming a more and more crucial factor in determining the final result. The days when the comparisons were between cameras' JPG outputs are long gone. The days when Canon cameras and lenses were the absolute best are long gone too. Now the competition is very even - Canon leads in certain areas but lags in others. IQ is an area where Canon right now lags pretty badly - then of course it's up to each individual person to decide how relevant this fact is. But it's still a fact.

IQ depends on having  good sensor, no major dust problems, no major vibration problems at 1/30, a body that AF's well, just to name a few, and ... well, good lenses and a large variety of them. I can see Canon lagging in sensors but Nikon has its own problems with all the rest.

funny that hasn't been my experience shooting both systems  canon lacks some glass Nikon has, and vice versa. In this day and age, both systems are so well stocked, you're really just buying your camera choice 

To jump the ship just for that seems unwise to me. There are many other factors.

I've done it. no big deal. It is actually quite trivial specially because both sides are so comparable. you give up some, you gain some. When the D900 vs 5Dmk4 game starts 3-4 years from now, I'll revaluate my choice.

I have no loyalty to a brand that has no loyalty for me. and don't suffer from gear divorce regrets. I'll use what I consider superior. That doesn't mean I'll switch every month, but once I need to upgrade, all brands are fair game. The canon monopoly was broken long ago. Heck I shoot a m4/3 Olympus when I don't use my big DSLRs. couldn't care less that it doesn't have Nikon/canon logos on it 

When you evaluate a piece of hardware/software you look at what it can do; what you actually do with it depends on you alone and on your personal taste/scopes. We buy gear to expand our possibilities, so a product offering me more possibilities is more attractive to me.

totally agreed. when I decided to switch to the D800, it was not because of what it can't do. I did it because of what it could do which I couldn't (and still can't) find on the canon system. For me, the D800 was what I hoped the 5DmkIII was and given how awesome the 5DII was, the choice was simple for me since I was upgrading anyway. The D800 upgraded everything I loved about the 5DII when I had the original 5D. 5DII & D800 will remain legendary in my book. I just don't understand why people just don't get over the fact not everybody is after the same qualities in a camera. I certainly understand why 1Dx shooters won't touch anything else even if such camera is utterly meaningless for some of us.

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Pricewatch Deals / Re: Canon USA Rebates Starting April 14, 2013 [CR3]

« on: April 13, 2013, 07:36:27 AM »

expected and unavoidable. the 5DmkIII needs to keep up with the downward pressure due to stronger yen and competition. compared to the 5DmkII, it's successor has seen far less uptake.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Nikon D800 Value Dropping?

« on: April 13, 2013, 07:32:20 AM »

http://www.canonrumors.com/2013/04/canon-usa-rebates-starting-april-14-2013-cr3/

Canon USA will start a new rebate program on April 14, 2013. Expect more lenses and camera bodies to be on the rebate program this time around. You can also expect big savings on the EOS 5D Mark III.

oh no, canon is DUMPING 5DmkIII's!!! 

There isn't any more dumping of D800's than there is of canon 5DmkIIIs. people are always selling and adjusting, and there is always somebody who doesn't like any given one camera. And while it is true that some D800's were originally affected by a focus issue, the vast majority aren't. Plus the d800 remains massively popular, probably far more than just about any Nikon body of their current generation. for every negative opinion, there are 10 hugely positive ones. Heck, it even took the crown position as the best Nikon dslr in Thom Hogan's poll regardless of last year's technical troubles that were since corrected.

Yet I'm all for price drops, I need to pick up at least a backup for my current one after switching my two 5DmkII's and glass, plus I think it will put added pressure to the 5DmkIII to keep dropping in price.

I expect that until canon doesn't introduce its own 30+mp body, the people stuck with one system will remain in denial of the benefits of very large MP, and unable (or unwilling) understand why the D800 remains the top dog for some of us that value its unmatched resolution, DR, and clean shadows. But given a canon high MP release, they will change their tune soon enough as they usually do. Stockholm syndrome? Sadly, not exclusive to canon users as every week we see a negative post on some competitor at some other board. It seems every week there is a new D800 FUD post matched with a 5DmkIII FUD post. get a job people!

Either way, ALL cameras DROP in value. Anybody on the fence for a D800 should love a price cut. It is already a deal for 2800 with the rebates.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 5d Mark III Shadow recovery

« on: April 06, 2013, 11:08:28 AM »

When I first saw these photos was when I decided to wait before I bought any new Canon DSLRs for my landscape photography, and see if they could come out with something that would be capable of something similar. Even the amazing 1D X couldn't recover that scene that cleanly at ISO 100...not without visible banding and blotchy color noise.

yup. pretty much why I shoot landscapes with a D800 exclusively. DR, color depth, resolution. It's a waste to hike miles to shoot with anything else, except off course MF.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Crazy... go Nikon?

« on: April 03, 2013, 08:25:50 AM »

Stockholm syndrome kicks in hard 

I've switched to Nikon, and mirror-less and with Olympus now after being with Sony. Canon isn't the only game in town any more and that's a good thing for competition benefits us all. When the successor to the D800 and 5DmkIII arrives I will yet again re-evaluate the gear and switch if I see a compelling reason.

Why some of you are so stuck in a camera system is beyond me specially when long are the days where they were the only real choice. As of today, I'm so pleased with the D800 because nothing else in the 35mm realm even approaches it for what I do, specially from canon. The only other time I felt this way was when the 5DmkII came out sporting super detailed images when some others were going bananas about shooting in dark closets with the lights off. Definitively not my boat. Today the D800 is my ideal 5DsmkIII, just made by somebody else I couldn't care less what logo it has on the strap.

Low resolution, compared to what? The D4?

compared to everything full frame from EVERYBODY ;p

I'm pretty much used to 36MP at this point such that anything else seems like a toy in comparison. The benefits of oversampling are well documented in Lloyd Chambers many articles on the matter and I'm sold on the concept of 50+MP bodies which I can hardly wait for.
http://diglloyd.com/blog/2013/20130223_3-lenses-for-high-res-digital.html
http://diglloyd.com/blog/2013/20130307_3-oversampling-RX100.html

Trust me, canon will inevitably release a 30+MP sensor, personally I'm hoping for a 50+ and everybody here crying about how it doesn't matter to have more MP will then go buy it and make a shrine to it. :p

If anything, both Nikon/Canon should move up the food chain and start looking at MF sensors and even higher resolutions.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Crazy... go Nikon?

« on: April 02, 2013, 07:28:46 PM »

wow you guys are still talking about this? last year we settled this matter and I'm surprise some are still in denial.


http://www.bobatkins.com/photography/digital/Canon_EOS_5D_MkIII_vs_Nikon_D800_dynamic_range.html

http://www.fredmiranda.com/5DIII-D800/index_controlled-tests.html
see page 2

http://diglloyd.com/blog/2012/20120906_6-Canon5DM3-noise-vs-NikonD800E.html
(paid link but guess who wins based on preview below... )

Nikon rules the roost, even ignoring the extra 14 megapixels the D800 offers over the 5D Mark III.

-Lloyd Chambers
Amen brother!

besides, having shot both, there is no contest. the 5DmkIII is a noise machine in the shadows. you can argue about proper exposure, etc. But the fact remains, when you're pushing exposure, for whatever the reason, the canon 5DmkIII shadows will punish you, which is partially why I no longer shoot with it  (the other being low resolution)

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D L Announced, Shipping in May

« on: April 02, 2013, 08:35:50 AM »

the overuse of 18MP sensors would be funny if it wasn't true :p

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EOS Bodies / Re: Big Megapixel Development Announcement in the Fall? [CR2]

« on: March 25, 2013, 11:07:52 AM »

about time, and good for canon as the benefits of high resolution sensors and oversampling are becoming obvious to anybody shooting with D800/e all the time, specially for portraits, fashion, weddings and landscapes.

if anything this camera sounds conservative. it should be at least 50+MP if it is to keep up with 2014 trends.

finally canon seems to be leaving the low resolution game they've been playing!!!

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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 70D, DIGIC 6 & 18mp Sensors

« on: March 20, 2013, 08:57:58 PM »

I think 18 MP is more than enough for 99% of photographers.  I do hope it is a completely different sensor that just happens to also have 18mp... With less low ISO noise, etc.

That is the same thing everybody says, and then toss out their cameras whenever a higher MP body comes out. lets stop pretending and accept the fact 18MP is ok when that is the only choice that would be crazy. Having a choice of ANYTHIG but 18

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS Rebel T5i Leaks

« on: March 20, 2013, 11:41:38 AM »

The 5D3 and 6D sensors have lower pixel count and poorer low ISO dynamic range compared to that on D800 and D600 respectively. So, there is no technical advantage whatsoever in Canon cameras

How is that people continually fail to understand that a "camera" is not a metal/plastic box with a sensor inside, any more than a car is a metal/plastic box with an engine inside?  I was car shopping recently, pretty much every vehicle I was looking at, different body styles from 5 different manufacturers, all had a 3.5L 6-cyl engine.  Does that mean there's no real difference between them?

Yes, the sensor is important.  No, Canon doesn't make the best sensors from an IQ standpoint.  But until consumers start buying bare silicon sensors to take pictures, what matters is camera performance, not only sensor performance.

so if canon tomorrow released the 5Dmk4, which was 2MP, had 1 stop of dynamic range shot in black and white and maxed out at ISO 100, but was twice as good in every other way as the current camera, you'd buy it?

NONSENSE.

It is an imaging device at the end of the day, and it needs to perform as an imaging device. sure it is not the only metric, but the end result is what you get, what you charge for, and what speaks of your work. You'll never look at a picture and admire it based on camera ergonomics, or wifi support, or how many cross points it has. Pixels do the talking for you at the end of the day, and yes you can still shoot horrible shots with great quality, yet the fact remains image quality remains king. You simply can't explain the amount of effort companies put into improving it otherwise or the fact the consumer pays attention to it anyways. And that is what matters. Canon needs to sell what consumers want, and if they review quality, companies need to deliver. The fact canon lags, doesn't make it less important.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS Rebel T5i Leaks

« on: March 20, 2013, 08:49:45 AM »

Yes, I am fully aware of the sensor differences: pixel count, low ISO dynamic range etc. But feature wise? I really don't see any feature advantage the D5200 has over the T5i, nor the D3200 over the EOS-b.

the sensor is a feature  it is after all, an imaging device wouldn't you say? 

On Nikon D5000 & D3000 series of cameras you cannot have AF using many of thier lenses, if one wants to use some of the Nikkor good glass on the lower end models they have to be content with manual focus only

you need to do your research better. pretty much every great Nikon lens is AF-S electronic focus already. The only stragglers are lenses which are nothing to write home about. At this point in fact, the AF-S based glass so outnumbers the legacy glass and it is so much better, that you'd be nuts not to buy the modern lens!

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS Rebel T5i Leaks

« on: March 20, 2013, 08:42:54 AM »

YET ANOTHER 18MP APS-C from CANON!

They should earn an award for the most milked sensor in the history of photography! ah, what's an old sensor among friends right?

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS-b Images Leak & a New Kit Lens

« on: March 19, 2013, 11:54:13 AM »

yet another disappointment from canon. old sensor, order specs, outrageous price. why can't they just accept the future of the sub 1000 camera body is mirror-less. enough with this surplus parts revel crap.