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EOS Bodies - For Video / Re: Canon 5D Mark III - Resolution Review
« on: April 02, 2012, 07:29:35 AM »
I compared P.Bloom's sharpened material to J.Miller's OLPF hack on a computer monitor and on an HDTV (D8000). Though it's not the same subject matter, I don't see any significant advantage to no-OLPF vs. post sharpening*. I did see aliased edges with the no-OLPF footage, however.

*There is at least one disadvantage to post sharpening- it effects edges of bokeh. Fortunately, sharpening can be controlled, per shot. When noise is added as 'film grain' (not straight Gaussian noise- processed a bit), it helps fix issues caused by sharpening in post: https://vimeo.com/39523633 (link to instructions on dvxuser).

yes. sharpening just to achive what IMO should be the output we should get unedited blows big time. Not only do you have to be selective which ads work in post but you have to watch out the amount or introduce artifacts. I know there are ways to improve the footage we've seen so far but it is just so annoying to have to add it each and every time...... :-\

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I'd say that a firmware fix would not work for reliable f/8 AF, a new sensor design would be needed, but some combinations of taped TC's and lenses might just work.
 
That mirror's the opinion of the CPS rep at Focus a few weeks ago. He didn't know, but based on how the system had been explained to him, his feeling was that a firmware update wouldn't fix it, as he thought it was due to the larger sensors in the new system, preventing any room for f/8 sensor points.

off course it is not fixable. can they claim it? sure but the reliability would be soo poor with some lenses they may as well save themselves the PR fiasco it would cause. such a drastic change would have had to happen years ago before production started. it is simply too late.


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EOS Bodies / Re: Is the 5D Mark III Sharp??
« on: April 02, 2012, 07:20:36 AM »
I don't think it is any less sharp or sharper than the original. at just 22MP, it isn't going to blow anyone's socks off. the video on the other hand is so soft that I've seen it referred to as waxy.

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Ah yes. Buy more important, the meter on the 5Dmk3 is primitive as hell. Even the most basic Nikon dslr meters color. Only the 1DX does this. A real crippling by canon on the 5D3.

That's a lot of crap right there.

crap? how so? As far as I know, the canon 63 zone sensor is the same old technology canon has been using for decades. meaning it is the color blind sensor you have had for ages. Unlike the 1DX RGB meter sensor which the 5DmkIII lacks. Every nikon body uses an RGB sensor and finally canon has moved to one, but only in their top of the line body so far.

watch it happen, the next few canon bodies will have RGB sensors for metering except for the 5DmkIII.


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Quote

well EXMOR is not EXMOR R.

the sensor in the D800 is not backlit.

EXMOR:

http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/technology/technology/theme/cmos_01.html


EXMOR R:

http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/technology/technology/theme/exmor_r_01.html


I can't believe D800's sensor is not backlit, seeing its high ISO score on DXOmark...
When 36MEG is scaled down to 8x12, or 8MEG, its noise performance is vy close to D3S.

Well, Canon has to double hurry up, if Sony can achieve this kind of ISO without backlit technology.
Astro, do u have a reference quoting D800 is not using a backlit sensor? Tks!


You have to take DXO data with a grain of salt, and since the advent of D800 print DR results, you have to be EXTREMELY skeptical about it. You also have to realize that "Print DR" is an image that has had post processing. We don't know exactly what DXO is doing to those images, but the idea that you can magically gain additional DR above and beyond what the senor itself is capable of (which is what their Screen DR rating is representative of) is extremely fishy.

Riddle me this: If the D800 SENSOR itself is capable of 13.23 stops of DR, and the scene you are trying to expose has 14.4 stops of DR...will you be able to capture the full scene DR in a single shot? The obvious answer is no. The sensor is only capable of 13.23 stops of DR, and trying to expose all 14.4 stops in one shot is going to either blow highlights or block shadows. There is also the simple math problem. A 14-bit sensor is a 14-stop sensor...you would have to go to at least a 15-bit sensor to achieve more than 14.0 stops of native DR with the sensor itself.

The D800 is NOT as amazing as it sounds, and referring to it as "unbelievable" would be about as accurate an exclamation you can get...it literally is unbelievable. The Canon 1D IV has 11.46 stops of DR. The difference between the D800 and the 1D IV is 1.77 stops, or roughly 1 2/3rds of a stop, of dynamic range. Not 2 stops, not 3 stops. The physical hardware differences are far more moderated than DXO, of whom Nikon is a paying customer and Canon is not, would like you to think.

Print DR == BIIIG Grain of Salt (or a big TUB of salt, whichever tickles your fancy...just make sure you really salt it good.)


wrong. it is all about how you quantize the measurement and what scale you use. They don't have to use a linear scale either.

http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=4747.120

you can stretch the 14 bits easily to cover more tonal ranges and since the lower bits are usually just pointless random noise, there is still headroom which is why the D800 is so stellar DR wise. I agree that eventually we'll go to 15 or  16 bits once cameras start pushing far beyond 14stops. But the DR of the D800 at base ISO of 14.4 stops as reported by DXO is absolutely amazing regardless, even if it was just 14.0 stops. To correct your point, the difference between the D800 and the 1D4 is over two stops. not trivial at all.

let's stop the famboysm and recognize that nikon has created an amazing sensor and hope canon can match it. instead of whining we should be excited to have canon follow eventually. I'm sure if it had been canon that did this, we'd be all singing praises to DXO and how they are so accurate.

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Ah yes. Buy more important, the letter on the 5Dmk3 is primitive as hell. Even the most basic Nikon dslr metters color. Only the 1DX does this. A real crippling by canon on the 5D3.

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Doesn't matter. In terms of DXOmark ranking or sensor scores, they will still trail the D800 by a MASSIVE margin.  ;D

It also doesn't matter since the DXO scoring system is pathologically inept. Check D800 vs D4 for example; D800 wins the Landscape category due to extra stop of DR at ISO 100. As mentioned previously, this amounts to one extra level of brightness information (on top of the 16382 which the D4 already offers). Past ISO 400, the D4 is consistently one stop better. Yet somehow D800 scores way more in this category.

Err, it matters a lot if you shoot landscapes. Who da hell cares about high ISO since it clips your dr so much in all cameras.

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EOS Bodies - For Video / Re: Canon 5D Mark III - Resolution Review
« on: April 01, 2012, 05:58:27 PM »
I'm with peederj on this on. This is simply illogical. If the optical low pass filter is, indeed, optical, then it is in hardware. In live view, zoom in as peederj suggests. The resolution is there on the sensor AFTER the optics of the camera. So, any softening would logically come from the downconversion AFTER the sensor and the optics.

Having said that, if you provide an even sharper (dare I say even aliased) image to the same downscaling algorithm, it seems plausible to me that the result might appear sharper. But, that won't necessarily make a better image overall.

I won't be running out to mod my 5D3 any time soon, assuming this is even serious.


just curious, did you watch the video? phillip bloom had his own take
http://philipbloom.net/2012/04/01/a-drastic-solution-to-increasing-sharpness-with-the-5dmkiii/

To my eyes, it looks better, but as I said, I'm sure we'll find out more in time.

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3) Hollywood is moving on from clumsy dslrs to dedicated video cameras that offer the same benefits and better quality and features. Sure they cost more, but the budgets are there when you consider how much is to shoot with real film and panavision or ultra high end sony equipment. Canon, Red, Sony, all know this. It makes no sense for them to try to be jacks of all trades but masters of none. These companies are out to make the best video cameras possible. HDRLS desinged for wedding and sport shooting under $4K, just aren't going to be able to keep up.


What exactly do you base this garbage on? Paramount Pictures recently released the film 'Like Crazy' on blu-ray last month, it won the Sundance filim festival and was shot on the 7D. I believe you're confusing budget with ability. If you're able to create a film on a cheaper budget with cheaper equipment, it doesn't matter.

 The fact you can't comprehend this is probably why you're here spouting nonsense while there are others actually out there making independent films.

no confusion. simply stating the facts. dslrs aren't the end all and be all of film just because they have been used in the past. They are simply being displaced by dedicated gear with offers the benefits of interchangleable optics and don't have to be crippled by worthless photographic form factors, and useless hardware like phisical shutters and mirror boxes. As such, they are destined to return to their true purpose of taking stills as time goes on. This has nothing to do with being an independant film maker or not. It is a matter of practicality and quite soon afordability. As pricess keep falling down (look at the FS700 which is alleged to shoot 4K for just $8K) it you'll get better quality and prices from dedicated video gear, with all the benefits of a lens system. It is inevitable. Like it or not, it is the future.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Canon EOS-1D X Delayed Again? [CR2]
« on: April 01, 2012, 09:45:18 AM »
Here's my overly optimistic wish - Since Canon likely tests many variations of sensor design... I'm hoping that they do have a bleeding edge CMOS sensor waiting in the wings... that wasn't originally chosen because of the higher production costs associated with it's manufacture. I'm hoping that Nikon's D4 and D800 has forced Canon switch to a bleeding edge sensor they originally deemed too expensive for current production.

That's my wish, however improbable. That said, it's probably just the f/8 autofocus.

as you say optimistic. this late in the game, the hardware will not change. all the fabs and tooling has long been done and finalized. it is too late to make big changes much less start over with a different sensor that isn't proven and tested. this is likely just bug fixing in software and final testing related. this camera's specs are set in stone.

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EOS Bodies - For Video / Re: Canon 5D Mark III - Resolution Review
« on: April 01, 2012, 09:26:49 AM »
interesting post at EOSHD

http://www.eoshd.com/content/7727/james-miller-removes-optical-low-pass-filter-from-5d-mark-iii-for-resolution-increase

apparently, the soft video output of hte 5DmkIII may be due (at least in part) to the sensor OLP filter. This means anybody hoping that either a bitrate increase or a firmware update would result in more resolutions needs to keep their expecations in check. The problem may very well be hardware and if the data being sample is already smudged, then the image quality is as good as it is going to get.


Easily disproven: take a look at the resolution 10x live view ("focus assist") gives you vs. what streams out of the cripple codec. The hardware is more than fine, and can generate amazing resolution.


I don't know that I agree with your assesment but removing the OLP filter seems to help. I'm sure more testing will be done to prove or disprove that modification as a way to fully realize the potential of the camera. I guess stay tuned.

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EOS Bodies - For Video / Re: Canon 5D Mark III - Resolution Review
« on: April 01, 2012, 08:08:20 AM »
interesting post at EOSHD

http://www.eoshd.com/content/7727/james-miller-removes-optical-low-pass-filter-from-5d-mark-iii-for-resolution-increase

apparently, the soft video output of hte 5DmkIII may be due (at least in part) to the sensor OLP filter. This means anybody hoping that either a bitrate increase or a firmware update would result in more resolutions needs to keep their expecations in check. The problem may very well be hardware and if the data being sample is already smudged, then the image quality is as good as it is going to get.

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http://www.eoshd.com/content/7710/the-sony-nex-fs700-4k-for-8k

Looks like both Sony and Canon will be making huge splashes at NBA 2012 this year!

Sony coming out w/ 4k camera at 8k, meaning that the 4k DSLR will fall into that price range to rival it!

So we have Sony, Canon, and RED w/ 4k cameras in the 8k to 10k price range.

I already had an idea that the 4K DSLR would be priced in the upper 7k to 10k range but part of me was hoping that it would drop down to the 4k-5k range so that I could get a camera to upgrade my video feature from the Mark II, but this recent announcement by Sony just pretty much confirmed that the 4k DSLR will drop in the 7k to 10k price range!

At this point it seems the only way that Canon can differentiate their 4k camera from Sony's 4k and RED's 4k camera is by having that hybrid functionality of video and photo in which the 4k DSLR will have the picture features of either a 5D Mark III or what seems to be more likely the picture features of a 1Dx.

Maybe w/ this shift toward 4k resolution this could be price drops in the FS100?


I think you're assuming too much. this camera competes with the C300. a dslr would likely still be in the upper 1DX realm if not more. Those thinking they will get 4K from a 5DMkIII priceline are in for a dissapointment.

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I'm really happy. Canon finally is getting their reality check. They have to make competitive products now.

+1

Competition is great.  The D800 and the FS-700 will force Canon to innovate and offer better products.  Let's see what they do with this opportunity.

Indeed. the sony/nikon partnership in the still world producing amazing sensors like the D800, and the big budget of R&D and video expertise from sony, which even owns its own movie studios, are going to give canon a run for the dollars it is used to taking from granted over the last few decades. everybody wins. Add to the picture RED, and panasonic. If canon thinks it is going to easily run away with the video market, they are very much mistaken.


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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: A Nikonian Reviews the Canon 5D Mark III
« on: April 01, 2012, 07:54:01 AM »
this comparison was good too

http://mansurovs.com/nikon-d800-review#camera_comparisons

D800 is such a beast.

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