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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 5D3 vs D800 sales numbers
« on: July 08, 2012, 07:02:39 AM »

my theory is that, once manufacturing issues are solved, Canon will have to lower the price of their 5D3 because of low sales numbers, given that the D800 is so much better for stills in nearly every image quality metric, and its price is significantly lower too

Why aren't you on a waiting list for the D-800 then? ???

Likely because he is just a troll or realistically does know that it will Nikon take quite some time to resolve all these issues with the D800.

I compared these 2 cams myself extensively too, out of 3 D800 I tried, in 3 different countries (UK, Germany, Spain), from 3 different production batches, at least one of them suffered from the following defects (some of which, like the left AF, all 3 showed the defect):

- strange spots on the sensor, (dirt, oil, I don't know) out of box!
- green tint on LCD, no color accuracy (officially not acknowledged by N, though obvious!)
- AWB with green tint
- outer left AF points not working, AF point pivoting
- soft focus on left side with some lenses
- scratches on mirror, out of box!
- total camera hang ups in some configs (by now there was a firmware update, but I read that it did not solve it with all cams)
- HDMI out not working with some recorders (one dealer couldn't get it to work, well I don't need that anyway, but an example for Specsheet hype vs RL)
- long exposure issues (see some blogs for details...this is really an ... for landscaping)
- liveview zoomed in is "wobbly" & noisy, useless for manual focusing
- moire issues
- LCDisplay frame rate very low (not a big thingy, but I think its the quality of the chosen LCD/Rendering solution chosen, which is just subpar)
- high video noise
- high mirror vibration, blurring pics
- Flashes are wirelessly not triggered reliably
- faulty battery
- misaligned pentaprism (basically more than 3 cams, because this was noticed by one dealer and he had a second D800...he shouldn't have told me...)

For several of these defects you'll easily find youtube videos and threads in Nikon forums discussing these too...

For me, it looks like Nikon currently has severe quality control issues with the D800.
Some of these obviously won't be solved by firmware and Nikon is not showing  any(!) interest in acknowledging them (compared to Canon, who acted fairly quickly regarding the "little" light leak issue). Spoke with Nikon Germany sales on a fair again just recently too...which reduced my expectation that Nikon is going to do a lot about AF or other things I mentioned.
They consider most of the list as up to specs...  ::)
To me it looks like there are many, many more issues with the new FF from Nikon compared to Canon's... and Nikon does not seem to do anything or care about several of them (except battery issues so far, where they are basically forced to).
Put on top that, I have the impression that the German Nikon support is far worse than the Canon.
My conclusion:
I personally move the price difference now into the category "you get what you pay for".

Oh and by the way, if I expose correct, I do not need the extra DR at low ISO, but at mid to high ISO I'm happy about the extra DR (over the Nikon), because there I probably need it more often when shooting AL...
I still prefer the Canon Skin tones and the 5D3 is more responsive than the D800.
(and there is more about the 5D3, which I prefer, but thats not subject of my post here)

So no, in no way is the D800 in IQ or other aspects far superior to the 5D3. Only for controlled light situations and tripod landscaping it is, but in real life, only in these situations, and for my taste only by a small amount. In others she is NOT.

Lesson learned: stop comparing spec sheets, but rent and go out and try/compare the cams of your interest yourself.
And stop interpreting silly sales charts of Amazon, they do not tell you what the right Cam is for you!

my 2 cents  ;D

PS I bought the 5D3 with a german warranty, plus my CPS dealer grants an extended Canon warranty to 3 years.
Again, you get what you pay for  ;)

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 5D3 vs D800 sales numbers
« on: July 07, 2012, 01:08:22 PM »
What a silly thread and > meaningless.  ::)

Oh, by the way, I raised the sales number of the 5D3 by 1 this week and I did not buy via Amazon or similar large store...!  :P

cheers ;D

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 5D Mark III - Price Drop Details
« on: July 01, 2012, 05:08:07 AM »
The actual cost for Canon to build this camera is $2400.

How do you know that??? I think this information is as business-confidential as it gets, so I'd be very surprised to read something like this on cr.

Ever heard of researchers like or others?
I do not know what the hw cost of the Canon are exactly in this case, though, didn't check my researches, but its certainly not that impossible to estimate. Nonetheless I agree the components like the sensor and further none hardware related costs are a factor too, still not impossible to come close. 2400 sounds high though to me...

On a side note, even though nobody might care...

I finally(!), after long long weeks of checking & comparisons (also with Nikon)
ORDERED my 5D3 as a Kit.
I reached my threshold and have a very good warranty on top from a good dealer.
Can't wait to get my beauty of the beauties  ;D

Lenses / Re: Canon EF 24 f/2.8 IS & EF 28 f/2.8 IS Quick Review
« on: June 29, 2012, 01:50:22 PM »
Pretty impressive considering the numbers on the 28mm wide open are comparable to the 24LII stopped down to f/2.8.  I bet that 28mm is damn sharp on an APS-C sensor.

Sorry, but considering the price for a non L prime with 2.8, I would have expected an even better performance...

These are really niche primes, I wonder what type of videos these are good for? (where I do not have other options...)

Seriously, I can think of many other primes, who would have been due for a nice update.

my 2 cents

EOS Bodies / Re: 5D Mk III vs D800/E, is the 5D3 better at anything?
« on: June 28, 2012, 09:58:35 AM »
Price is dropping fast and is close to 3000 euro now in the netherlands so price is not an issue anymore

Where do you get this prize from? In Germany, it's no less than €3250, didn't drop a cent since release - obviously they're still serving back-orders and there's no competition yet.

?! Thats not true. In Germany the price dropped already to 3100 body only.
And even had even a 15% discount... sold many 5D3 with the discount, Kit and Body only (unfortunately I noticed to late, out of stock now).
Plus other CPS dealers are already giving you a discount on request!
So I think you are not searching well or maybe you should confront your local dealer ;)

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Canon 5d mark 3 transmissive LCD screen
« on: June 10, 2012, 11:06:17 AM »
I only use a Qball from Giottos (or other quality blower, which does not blow particles from inside out), never ever would I rub around on the focus screen, especially if I can not remove the screen from the Cam.
If the qball fails, bring it to the service, but what you decribe sounds more like that you ruined the screen and its not a failure of the Cam and/or focusing screen construction.

Sorry, but thats my impression.  :)

PS here in Germany, Canon offers to clean your cam for free within 6 months after purchase, thats a free offer from them.
So on a new Cam, I would never start cleaning like crazy meyself, but frist ask the good Canon Service....

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: EOS 5D Mark III On-Camera Tutorials
« on: June 03, 2012, 12:31:07 PM »
thanks for sharing!  :)

DPreview just rated the 5D3 as "not so good for jpeg only shooters".


Why not turn DLO on in your 5D MK III and take a jpeg shot??  Your post processing a raw converted to jpeg seems like you are trying to distort the facts.
This is about in camera jpegs. The lens profiles you need can be installed in your camera in a process similar to that used for DPP.

Nope, Digital Lens Optimizer (DLO) is not available in camera. The different lens (assuming more than one lens) profiles are several 100MB's to download, available only through Canon's DPP. It works ONLY for RAW. In camera is only the "old" vignetting (also distortion?? nope...) correction thing.

This is not about vignetting only, but CA and the 5D3 has in camera CA correction.
Its doing this quite well.

Personally I usually shot RAW and JPG.
But before going for shooting I typically know what I'm going to shoot, I then decide wether I shoot RAW, both or JPG only. I'm flexible.

But back to the OP question.

I was able to test and try the 5d3 now 3 times (UK, Spain [Mallorca] and recently in Germany);
and with this Cam, I could certainly imagine to shoot more often JPG only. Also because I have the impression, it does AWB quite well.... And even if I would be in doubt, I would choose the "correct" WB myself and shoot still quickly in JPG with the good lense correction. For Street, Wildlife and Travel its really nice... (I usually don't shoot sports, only sometime some fast moving objects like planes or, well hmm, similar.....)

Then again, I don't earn my money with shooting. :)
I don't restrict myself and why should I nail myself down to one selection, I decide shortly before "reaching" the target. :)

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Mirrorless Information? [CR1]
« on: May 05, 2012, 10:40:30 AM »
I hope the AF is better than on the G1 X (which sucks...), I didn't like it.

I would use such a Cam for extended reach and quick moving subjects.
An EF & EF-S adapter would certainly be a must for a successful, late introduction to the developed market.

It has to compete against a Nikon 1 (horrible grip & control, but rest is great) and the rocketing market of 4/3 (...OM-D E-M5 is promising...),
Canon is last to the mirror-less market, so it better be reeeeally good, otherwise...  ???

My expectations are higher, higher even than for the Canon "53"  ::)

EOS Bodies / Re: Cost of 5DMk3 internationally
« on: May 03, 2012, 01:53:15 PM »
Germany, incl 19% tax,
to date, around :

Body only
3299,- EUR

Kit with 24-105
3999,- EUR

IF(!) you find it, Body and Kit are difficult to find, even though Canon Germany said its in good supply, its rare....
Amazon Germany is still not selling it yet (and the Kit is not even mentioned in their database)

...things I would like to see on a next generation 5D, without changing form factor or remove functions of the current 5D3:

- include flash, for highlighting

Please, no!  I understand the occasional utility of a popup flash for fill, etc.  But in fact, the popup flash does change the form factor - that protruding bulge makes it very challenging to make adjustments on TS-E lenses. 
Here's a YouTube video where at ~0:55 s you can see the shift knob on their 24mm PC-E lens hitting the protrusion of the popup flash, preventing the lens from being rotated into the desired position:

Nikon D800 and Nikon PC-E

Without changing form factor, I meant specifically that too. I don't see a reason, why it shouldn't be possible to add a poppy uppy flash and still use a TS, like now. But then I could trigger flashes and highlight quickly too...  :)

But I agree, using a TS is a nice advantage, more important than a flash, even if I unfortunately do not own a TS...  :-\

So from my perspective these are the things I would like to see on a next generation 5D, without changing form factor or remove functions of the current 5D3:

- get the DR up for low ISO, minimum 1 stop in RAW, for better details in shadows
- f/8 AF capable (to make use of extenders for wildlife)
- make EF-S lenses usable on FF
- include GPS, build in
- include Wifi, build in, or at least USB3, I would prefer LightPeak...
- include an AF assist light, build in
- include flash, for highlighting

my 2 cents  ;)

EOS Bodies - For Video / Re: Magic Lantern on the 5D Mark III
« on: April 27, 2012, 12:54:05 PM »
This is a wonderful news!  :D

I have just spent close to three hours reviewing the Nikon Rumors blog entries on the Nikon D800, and the horror stories of several users that have received their brand new D800s bodies only to experience several functional issues included but not limited to out-of-focus on certain high-end lenses, white/black dots on photos specially on long exposures, black dots on sensor (oil drops/debris) from factory shipped cameras, on/off lockup, green tint of LCD display, hiss on audio recording, flash not triggering, and others... Here is the link to the blogs which describes these functional issues...

After reading and assessing these functional issues, and considering that every newly released product may be subject to functional "bugs" which may or may had not been discovered and/or detected during the beta testings; it is my opinion that the severity of the initial handful of functional issues that some users are experiencing with their Canon 5D Mark III are not even close to the pile of serious and critical malfunctions that the D800 is having...

Thats exactly my impression too.

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