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EOS Bodies / Re: to all the Megapixel and DR whiners....
« on: November 02, 2013, 12:57:21 PM »
the "community" in internet forums is not very happy with the 6D AF.
so why did canon not make them happy?
after all.... canon should have seen that coming after they read/heard complains about the 5D MK2 AF. not?

Canon will make them happy, eventually. Guess what the 6D2 will improve on! will it be incremental, 11 cross points or get the 7D AF treatment who knows.

yeah and some people will think "look that´s what i have achieved with my constant whining on internet forums".

like in the dark ages, they still don´t realize the universe is not rotating around them.

I don't know why no one else has brought this one up, but here it is:
Canon actually sends questionnaires to get feedback regarding their camera products, at least for the 1D series.

We therefore cannot assume that Canon does not care regarding consumer feedback. Therefore whining on a forum or elsewhere may indeed be productive. I wouldn't want to underestimate the impact of what is essentially a user forum. Indeed there is only one such forum anyway. There are not dozens of competing forums, which is what has led all of us here.

Third Party Manufacturers / Re: I hate to say you told me so, but...
« on: November 02, 2013, 12:37:44 PM »
I know canon have tried to design a system that doesn't alienate existing EF users, ...

I think canon may have been better ripping it up and starting from scratch, it does seem a bit mental that the 70D got the tech the M should have had.

I don't know what bit I got wrong though, might you elucidate?

I totally agreee with you, that the 70D should have been served up as a mirrorless cam.

Wrong? Your statement "I know Canon have tried to design a system that does not alienate EF users" ... is plain wrong. Canon does not care whom they alienate or not. Truth is: Canon was and still IS simply NOT ABLE  to deliver a better MILC than the sub-par EOS-M.

* Canon has no clue.
* Canon  is NOT ABLE  to bring an APS-C sensor matching the Nikon D7100 - 2 years later!
* Canon is NOT ABLE to bring a FF sensor matching the D800. 2 years later.
* Canon is NOT ABLE to produce a mirrorless FF system camera like the Sony A7/R.
* Canon is NOT ABLE to produce PD_AF that performs as good as an Oly OMD1 or a Panasonix GX7.

All Canon is able to do ... is to charge outrageous prices for their last century DSLR technology and "video-optimize" it. Canon has become a real bunch of losers.

Now I think you are going overboard with your arguments. Canon may not be willing to invest more, but this is no basis for any kind of assumption that they cannot do this.

Remember that you are comparing the R&D efforts of companies struggling for survival and compare this with a corporation at the very top of their business, reaping in substantial profits. R&D budgets will be set according to what kind of money there is to spend.

Third Party Manufacturers / Re: I hate to say you told me so, but...
« on: November 02, 2013, 12:23:41 PM »
I know canon have tried to design a system that doesn't alienate existing EF users, ...

No, wrong. Canon was neither able nor willing to build a good, fast-responding mirrorless cam. They just try to stuff their dumb old DLSRs down our throats at ever higher prices.

NOT A SINGLE "EF user" would be offenden with an EOS-M that has the sensor and all other innards of an EOS 70D and the hybrid-AF speed of an Olympus OMD1. Or even a FF-EOS mirrorless, the size of a Sony A7/R with a gret 36 MP sensor at 2.500 USD. Actually, if Canon made and sold those and included an EF-adapter for free with each of these MILCs ... they would have a future in this business.

They way they go about it up to now ... likely not.

One of the root causes here is that Canon is making so much money with products other than cameras and lenses that their focus is now mostly elsewhere.

As long as they somehow manage to hang on to their market leader status Canon will not go all-out on being innovative. They will only react once they lose market shares in areas giving them high margins, so Olympus won't force a reaction just by providing better product features. Olympus must outsell Canon enough to make them hurt. Otherwise Canon will just allow less profitable niche markets to go down the drain, while they make more money elsewhere. This is just good business sense, but will not exactly stir the rumor mill.

In my humble opinion the story of the EOS-M just illustrates Canon's cautious approach. They do know their strengths and thus provided the EOS-M with an EF-adapter, but otherwise Canon to me appear to regard the mirrorless market as a relatively bad business for them. Putting the 70D AF into a DSLR first may have happened purely based on product release cycles, but what if this is not the case and putting this kind of AF into a DSLR just for increased live view AF performance generates more profits than putting the same technology into an EOS-M2? We cannot fully ignore such possibilities, although from my own experience with such issues I agree with Don, dependencies on planned release dates and time taken for development projects are quite likely.

Multiple posters have claimed on this forum that Canon may fear mirrorless sales eating into their DSLR sales, but I don't expect there is much behind that with the kind of hype going on inflating the mirrorless market up to fully unrealistic proportions. Canon is sure to have real numbers to base their market research on. I expect this will serve Canon well in the long run.

Lenses / Re: Help. 50mm 1.2 ?
« on: October 29, 2013, 04:54:22 PM »
My 50mm f1.2 is one of my most beloved primes. It is great for both shallow depth of field and low light shots. Depending a bit on circumstances color rendering on this lens can be especially nice.

But there is a dependency regarding autofocus capability:
You will need a camera body with really good autofocus such as a 5D Mark III or a 1D-series body to make best use of this lens. Even if you shoot with something like a 7D you will have to work for good f1.2 shots with this lens. AFMA doesn't eliminate this difference.

May I ask the OP what camera body do you use?

Lenses / Re: Beach kit
« on: October 29, 2013, 04:21:36 PM »
On a beach you won't face any issues regarding lack of ambient light until evening. For this a crop body like the 450D or 7D will do nicely.

Using a wide angle is a great idea (especially at empty beaches), but in case you want to shoot some water sports activities you may also want to use a long focal length. Your 70-200 with or without teleconverter will do nicely in this regard, while your 5D Mark III will do nicely for those wide angle shots and for high ISO shots in the evening.

Being me I would leave nothing in the hotel room, even if I happen to be in one of those countries, where theft is normally a non-issue. With your gear I would use this setup:

450D + 70-200mm + teleconverter
5D Mark III + 24mm

Avoid swapping lenses, keep your gear out of the sand and you should be fine.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: High Megapixel DLSR a niche market?
« on: October 29, 2013, 04:04:20 PM »
I don't quite understand why I continually allow myself to read these threads

i ask myself why i frequent these gear focused websites at all.
most discussions circle around the same lame topics or "what shall i do" questions.

still i come back....  :D

And yet some have the nerve to claim that "its not the equipment, its the photographer!"  LoL  How many threads are on this forum that address technique as compared to the number of threads about gear?  :)

Curiously I do really like reading about photographic techniques. I believe that this is the area, where we can learn most from others. What's to learn about owning a 1D-X? You either have the money or you don't.

Canon General / Re: Lose or Loose?
« on: October 29, 2013, 03:46:48 PM »

And lets not even think about the word irony.  I am convinced that no one on the Internets Tubes seems to know really what that means.   ;D

It's ironic isn't it, that they don't understand the proper use of irony. ;)
Actually, that leads me back to cannot and the link to the German translation. While both languages tend to concatenate words to form new words, I think overall, modern German tends to concatenate more than modern English, although I haven't really done a comparison and my German vocabulary is pretty small.

In my case I use both English and German quite a lot and indeed there is a certain resistance to concatenation in the English language, which is unknown in German. It is best exemplified by using "-" in between combined words. Even more of a pronounced difference are common combinations such as lens cap, which are separated completely, while in German you would have an Objektivdeckel. In German you can combine two words spontaneously to make up something new and this new construct hopefully becomes a useful expression. Zeitgeist for example has become a rather famous word combination curiously more in English-speaking areas than in German-speaking areas. It also seems to me that it is not exactly en vogue any longer, being perhaps zeitgeistlos.

Canon General / Re: How to detect BS!
« on: October 27, 2013, 02:02:59 PM »
I do not quite agree with the author. Lies or made up "facts" are not what I consider BS even though some of them are. The most sophisticated BS is when somebody presents arguments ... which are BS. It is not like they are not telling you how they "know" what they "know", they do. But it is BS.

I am with you regarding the presentation of arguments. As long as a poster brings arguments, even if these turn out to be wrong, at least the poster is trying to be constructive. As such I don't consider what is presented as BS, even if it is totally misguided nonsense. We cannot expect anyone posting here to have a background allowing the person to see through marketing slogans or technical details or engineering processes or the like.

Canon General / Re: What's Next for Canon?
« on: October 27, 2013, 02:49:38 AM »
So Canon's 'last century' system compensates for the types of motion that account for the vast majority of 'shake' except at macro distances, and for the latter scenario, they have the 'this century' Hybrid IS than compensates for translational motion in addition to angular.

yes. As I said.  Canon has "2-axis" stabilizer (angular moves) and "4-axis" stabilizer in 100mm Macro. Oly has 5-axis stabilizer (but only) in their latest camera bodies (OMD5 and 1).  I'd imaginge that (micro-) camera shake can really occur in any of the 6 possible axes. Translational along the z-axis (optical axis of the system) is  probably really only relevant in very shallow DOF situations and macro.

Short overview of the 5-axis in Oly IBIS: OLYMPUS OM-D E-M1 - 5-AXIS IMAGE STABILIZATION VIDEO (English)
Especially in mirrorless ILCs with short-flange distance, in-body IS is a major asset, since it will also work with any non-IS lens mounted via adapter. Unfortunately Sony has not built their IBIS ("2-axis") into the A7/R - where it would matter most [exacting 36 MP sensor and so far only the 2 native zooms [28-70, 24-70) will have in-lens OSS, but not the 800 Euro 35/2.8 nor the 1000 USD  55/1.8, not to mention any of the other Sony A and E lenses. This is one of the reasons, why I'll probably pass on the A7/R.

Strange how Sony contradicts the assumptions that in-body IS is preferable by providing the A7/R without that. Wouldn't they jump on the opportunity to use their existing technology, if it were as preferable? It is really essential to understand that axis-counting is no good as a way to determine effectiveness of an IS system. I believe that the A7/R coming without in-body IS just demonstrates that Sony has proceeded through the learning curve far enough to realize that they can achieve better results with in-lens IS, simply because this is optimized for each lens.

Addressing multiple axis for image stabilization does complicate the overall design, so in contrast to what many might expect a vendor keeping their design as simple and as effective as possible will likely end up with the best product. This is not to say that further development will not include additional axis. This trend will likely remain, but we must not overestimate products by simply counting axis. Olympus is not currently selling a product from the year 2200, even if their product requirement specifications do allow for additional functionality.

Canon General / Re: What's Next for Canon?
« on: October 26, 2013, 04:01:16 PM »
You are certainly correct regarding optical stabilizers. Having a stabilizer in the camera body will obviously lead to at least some optimization limitations as the vendor cannot fully optimize for specialized lenses (for example for big whites) and in addition it kills off any opportunity to come out with something like the 100mm L macro's IS system.
Hahaha ..  Really funny! Canon is 2 axes and hybrid af in 100mm L IS macro stabilizes movement in 4 axes. Olympus IBIS is 5 axes. ;-)

I am looking forward to a mirrorless FF-body - maybe sony a9r - with 5 axes in-body is, so i dint't have to buy  in-lens is in a 24/2.8 or 28/2.8. and when a big white with in-lens is is attached, the ibis will automatically be switched off. In one word: Best of all worlds. :-)

I don't see axis counting as any feasible way of comparison here.  ??? It must be obvious that from a development standpoint a vendor will run into limitations trying to cater to a broad selection of lens usage scenarios or do you really believe that at Olympus they work miracles instead of engineering?  :o

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: High Megapixel DLSR a niche market?
« on: October 26, 2013, 03:56:10 PM »
Well then, good thing I preordered the A7R. :D

won't you have a problem getting lenses that can actually really use all these MPs?  Canon still has the best lens lineup, and even DxoMark show that a 5DIII with a good Canon lens produces better results than a D800. example:

what kind of lame arguments !

think about what  NIKON 85/1,4 , Nikon 200/2 , SIGMA 35/1,4  and many more lenses  can do together with 36Mp

the same with Canon ,  but Canon has no high Mp camera

Not a lame argument, just the choices of super high res lenses for Sony are more limited.  Of course it was not clear that you plan to use Nikon lenses on the Sony.

Interesting point. The key issue is that you do require a full system of lenses and camera to be adequate for high MP shooting. If there is even one no-good compromise in the entire system end results will suffer and the resulting high-MP images won't be forgiving either.

Canon General / Re: What's Next for Canon?
« on: October 26, 2013, 08:58:56 AM »

For example their IS system. Lens-based IS was the only option in the days of film cameras. Canon invested heavily in research and then digital arrived. IMHO, sensor-based stabilisation is much better, especially for video as proven by Olympus's IBIS.

Yet Sony is going back to optical stabilizers. Canon just didn't take the detour.
Also for AF - you need sensor cells that deliver a good signal at short exposure times.  A dedicated module has a massive headstart here.

You are certainly correct regarding optical stabilizers. Having a stabilizer in the camera body will obviously lead to at least some optimization limitations as the vendor cannot fully optimize for specialized lenses (for example for big whites) and in addition it kills off any opportunity to come out with something like the 100mm L macro's IS system.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: High Megapixel DLSR a niche market?
« on: October 26, 2013, 08:50:26 AM »

more MP neither....

Good point there - I have to admit with my new 6d experience looking at the 60d crop shots my first thought usually is "oh my, what crappy iq" - but after some seconds I always realize 100% crop on the monitor is not the most important aspect, and if you cannot do nice photography you won't be able to with ff or high-mp ff...

You summed it up here; I saw the same thing after using a 5D mkii. Looking at the files on screen I thought 'this is much better than the original 5D. But it doesn't translate to the image as a picture, at least not one of a 'normal' size.

The only photographers who will benefit from very high mp all the time are those that like to look at their images at 100% on screen.

Even in this case you need to have good quality pixels on the 100% level. If an image consists of very many pixels, but whatever information gets there through lens, filter and sensor is of mediocre or even bad quality per pixel, even a pixel peeping photographer won't have an overall resolution benefit compared to another camera with less MP, but better per-pixel quality. This may become a rather frustrating experience for some.

The experience with crop sensor cameras like the 7D should set a clear example regarding the limitations of increasing pixel density.

EOS Bodies / Re: New 1DX Firmware Version 2
« on: October 22, 2013, 10:30:01 AM »
I hope none of these new functions make it to 5D III and 7D, 7D II.

Now there is an even bigger gap between PRO and advanced cameras.

(yes, even TIPA and EISA categorise the 5D III as an advanced camera)

Using both 1D-X and 5D Mark III I wonder just how I would benefit from bigger gaps between these cameras?  :o

I don't care for categorization of these cameras as advanced or anything else, either. Camera bodies are tools, not status symbols.

EOS Bodies / Re: New 1DX Firmware Version 2
« on: October 22, 2013, 08:40:38 AM »
Given that the AF system is supposed to be the same as the 5D3, I wonder if we can expect a bumper update for that too?

A similar upgrade to the 5D Mark III would be great, but there may be technical limitations we are not fully aware of.

"Developed as the ultimate Canon EOS camera, the EOS-1D X Digital SLR is designed with foresight that enables its performance to be periodically improved with new firmware upgrades, helping to ensure maximum long-term value for owners and users of the camera."

If there are options available in the 1D-series, which are not available as firmware upgrade options with the 5D-series we will not likely see similar updates. But let's not get our hopes down. Let's just hope for the best.

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