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EOS Bodies / UL to launch camera testing standard
« on: February 05, 2013, 01:23:13 PM »
Wednesday, January 30, 2013
NORTHBROOK, Ill.—Underwriters Laboratories is launching the first digital-camera performance standard in February and plans to have some cameras certified in time for ISC West, Bob Jamieson, UL general manager, life safety and security industries, told Security Systems News.
“We’ve had a lot of discussions with manufacturers,” Jamieson said, “and for the most part they’ve been very enthusiastic … [the standard] will help prevent false claims.”
Called UL 2802, the new standard is in the final review and comment period. In the works for more than a year, the standard will be used to grade digital cameras on a scale of 1 to 5 for a number of characteristics including image sharpness, field-of-view confirmation, signal-to-noise ratio, TV distortion, relative illumination, color fidelity, dynamic range, maximum frame rate, gray level, sensitivity, bad pixels, veiling glare and housing tamper protection.
UL’s in-house experts worked with “industry, government [and other stakeholders] quantifying performance characteristics of digital cameras,” Jamieson said. The top six digital camera manufacturers globally were involved with the creation of the standard.
“The lab test is very consistent from camera to camera,” Jamieson said.
This is the first of five related standards that will evaluate an entire digital video system. The testing organization is also in the process of creating standards for transmission, storage, video analytics and displays.
However, the new standard “will look [solely] at performance, not operability,” Jamieson said.
“What UL has done is created a way to [look at digital cameras] using some independent performance measurements,” said Steve Surfaro, industry liaison for Axis Communications, who is working with UL on the project.
Surfaro said designers and specifiers “will be the first group to benefit from this standard.” He predicted that government entities would be among the first end users to employ the standard.
For integrators, the standard “will be an excellent tool to understand a particular product line,” he said.
Initially all testing will take place at UL’s facility here, with testing likely at other facilities in the future.
“Several products will be certified [before] ISC West,” Jamieson said. The process will be quick for manufacturers. “Turnaround will be about half a week for certification,” he said.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Canon Refurbs
« on: February 05, 2013, 09:35:10 AM »
Thank you for mentioning CLP I forgot all about it I wonder when the 5d3 will go on there

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Canon Refurbs
« on: February 05, 2013, 06:14:55 AM »
How long does it normally take for a new body ala 6D to start showing up on the refurb website?

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 6D flash sync
« on: January 28, 2013, 10:47:14 PM »
If i shoot with 6D at 1/200 in studio i will get that black line on the bottom of the frame like the one i get from 7D shooting at 1/250 ( 7D has a flash sync of 1/200) ?????

The 7d has a x-sync of 1/250s (like my 60d): http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/products/cameras/slr_cameras/eos_7d#Specifications ...

... as for the 6d 1/180s x-sync I wouldn't be so sure, it sounds more like a firmware crippling to me and the 6d might very well go up to 1/200s as the shortest time when the first shutter is down and the second shutter is still up.

If anyone doubts this: The 6d can also shoot with 1/8000 shutter, the Magic Lantern devs discovered this, it's just that the Canon firmware has a "5d3 protection lock" that keeps resetting it to 1/4000 :-o

Does this mean that magic lanterns software will allow the use of 1/8000 because that's a big deal

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EOS Bodies / Re: DSLR & Lens Coming on January 15, 2013? [CR1]
« on: January 16, 2013, 06:12:13 AM »
Dual CF cards for backup and peace of mind and to avoid the poor write performance issues of the 5d Mk III when shooting fast bursts with a CF and SD card.  Dual CF cards would be a definite plus.


I hope they avoid CF or at least make it SD capable also seeing how I have about 50 something gigs worth of SD cards and that much CF would cost a nice little chunk of change.  If speed is the issue maybe they will use a faster SD slot this time meeting the newest standards. 

and
Only problem with 6D is that ppl always seem to think that I am saying "sixty" :)

make sure you say Six___(pause)___ D

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / whats up with 5d2 used pricing?
« on: January 12, 2013, 09:19:52 AM »
as a 450D user I'm on the hunt for a good deal on a 5d2 or save for 6D or 5d3   

however I always see people selling bodies with 5-25K clicks attempting to sell the 5d2 for 1500 or even more, because they spent 2 grand on it a year ago. 

I dont think I'd pay more than 1400 with body and kit lens.   Is everyone crazy hoping we don't know what the market looks like or just hoping to find a sap.

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Canon General / Re: Canon Experience Stores Coming Soon [CR3]
« on: January 11, 2013, 08:22:58 PM »
4 pages is to many to read.....

but seriously CANADA?   I mean I love visiting but you can't tell me that Chicago New York or London UK wouldn't be a better launching point

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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 60D Stock Levels Getting Low?
« on: January 11, 2013, 06:02:19 AM »
Well...so much for waiting for ces for an announcement on the 7/70D and possible release date. Looks like we wont see either of these cameras for another 6months at least. Disappointed isnt the word. Just seems crazy these cameras are from 09/10 and are the current top of the line aps-c, what are they playing at?

Oh well.
7D2 / 70D would go against Nikon's unannounced replacements for the D300s and the D7000.
I think it's becoming a waiting game between these pairs of cameras.   Whoever announces first gives the other the opportunity to improve or change their product before making it public.
I was expecting one of them might let the cat out of the bag at CES but there's also CP+ in a few weeks in Japan...  Not that that's any guarantee anyone will blink then either. 8-\

So what is the logical order of launch?  70D making it top apc for several months then releasing 7D2 or releasing both. 

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EOS Bodies / Re: Are you really serious about 6D?
« on: December 13, 2012, 06:25:20 AM »
The OP sounded like a big cry baby like many one these forms.  Sure we all want super camera's that are better than anything else out there.      But as an enthusiast stuck with a 450 D for the past 4 years upgrading is finely insight and even if its based on 4 year old technology I can't tell you how many times when I see a great photo taken online part of the data given was that a 5D2 took the picture, so if I can afford maybe early next year to get on something that is an upgrade even if small is HUGE.   

Call me a fool for liking the wifi shooting, it totally beats having to run back and forth to a tripod when setting up family pictures because someone might have gotten cut off, when I can see the results before I press the button.

Plus these camera's still can capture images out of the box pre PP that no one probably even considered 10 years ago.

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EOS Bodies / Re: More 6D sample images - with RAW files.
« on: December 03, 2012, 06:01:28 AM »
would like to see Crop vs 6D.

From what I've seen you'll find that iso800 on crop  = iso6400 on 6d ...what's left to analyze is how much the dynamic range degrades on the 6d, for that iso800 on crop might still have a little advantage if Canon didn't do something about it.

whoa... when you put it like that it makes it feel like I'm in the 1950's with a black and white tv that takes 5 minutes to turn on and the 6D/5d3 are current slim LED's

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EOS Bodies / Re: More 6D sample images - with RAW files.
« on: December 02, 2012, 09:58:59 PM »
Has there ever been side by side comparisons of 5D3 or 6D against current crop bodies?  I think these test samples posted look good but I'm a 450D owner so being able to see how something like that stacks up

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EOS Bodies / Re: Possible positive 6D surprise? Should I wait?
« on: November 27, 2012, 06:13:04 AM »
I think one of the biggest things the 6D has going for itself after yesterday for people who already own a canon and some who don't is the ease of use. 

Costco now has a display D600 and I stood there for 20 minutes playing with it being completely unable to figure out how to change the Drive mode or shutter speed.  I've never had that problem picking up a canon even if its a body I haven't touched before.     I know many love the 5D lineup but having to use 2 hands to change some basic functions sucks.  That was my other D600 complaint. 

So I await eagerly to see a real world review of the 6D or 7D2 in the spring.  One has my name one it.

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Pricewatch Deals / Thanks Giving sale
« on: November 22, 2012, 09:18:10 AM »
Canon USA is currently offer 5D2 for 1319 and the 7D for less than 1000 as refurbished. Seemed like a good price to bad I'm saving for the 6D OR  should I jump on this since I have a 450 now

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EOS Bodies / Re: Next year's APS-C vs. this year's FF
« on: November 22, 2012, 12:50:47 AM »
Ditto if the new 7D as an APS-C camera had IQ = to the 1Dmk4 it would be pretty awesome.
However I would not hold my breath for this being the case

1DIV-level of performance shouldn't be all that difficult to achieve with a 1.6x sensor made on a newer tech.
Provided that MPs are kept in check, of course.

The question is, what will Canon do with the 7D successor.
Will they go for a more pro-oriented body or a more general-purpose body?

If the former, I could see the 7DII using an improved 16-18mp sensor, which I'm sure will match the 1DIV in image quality.

But Canon might as well decide to crank up the megapixels.
In that case, it's hard to tell if the 7D successor will be even called 7DII  :-*.

As long as we're talking 7D successor just look at the current line up, as rumors are stating 60D is dead, but lets face it minus 1fps the T4i is nearly a 60D. 

Im guessing the 7D2 will have its great new sensor, be 21MP and 10FPS  with a 43pt AF built in wifi and take SD cards.  End of story. 

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6D looks better so far but is logical from my view.  To have a body that is cleaner image wise but slower in AF and FPS. This makes me excited as a 450D user looking at the near endless possibilities.  Just curious what the 7ad2 will do.

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