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EOS Bodies / Re: When will we have a full frame body below $1,000?
« on: November 24, 2012, 09:05:35 PM »

Chip costs for the sensor won't allow for pricing to be that low and everyone making a markup.  Compromises made to the 6D at the $2k price point seem to piss everyone off, so to think of a $1k price, it wouldn't even be a p&s type.  Refurb on sale gets a 5d2 down to 1,400-1,500 range, but that's about as low at it will go.

I don't believe that the FF sensors cost dramatically more to make than 1.6 crop sensors.  They use the difference to allow them to sell cameras at a lower price point to 95% of the people buying cameras without undercutting the prices on their own FF models. 

It may cost a lot to develop new sensor models, but I really don't think FF sensors cost a whole lot more money to crank out than a crop sensor, and I don't think either one really cost as much per unit to fab as people imagine.  Chip fab facilities in Taiwan, etc., just crank these things out like saltine crackers.  There should be no reason camera sensor production economics should be dramatically different from all the other chips and things we are surrounded with.  The difference is in the huge markup they are allowed due to very little competition.  High-end camera sensors have not become commoditized like most other microelectronics.     

EOS Bodies / Possible positive 6D surprise? Should I wait?
« on: November 24, 2012, 02:26:27 AM »
Various websites are saying the 6D sensor will actually have an advantage in low noise at high ISO vs. the sensor on 5D3. 
I have an itchy trigger finger with all the $2500 give-aways on the 5D3.  If the 6D were really going to stay at or around $2100.00, it would seem like a slam dunk for buying 5D3, UNLESS the new sensor really is better in low light...  I realize the AF seems to have been deliberatively crippled (and overly-so!), but for shooting portraits and candids and casual soccer of my kids, I really don't need the pro athlete or bird-in-flight AF.

Plus, heck, the replacement for the 7D (7D2?) could have a wildly better sensor?

What do CR folks think of this?

I should say you can see my equipment below my name.  I shoot portraits and candids of my 7-year old and 6-y-o and my infant.  They do/will play some peewee soccer, but nothing challenging for another 6-8 years max!  I've never met a bird who would pay fair value for an excelent portrait at 1000 yards, so I don't need too incredible an AF capability.   :)

Pricewatch Deals / Re: Ended: Canon EOS 5D Mark III Body $2499
« on: November 24, 2012, 01:48:12 AM »
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Wow.  That was posted here at 7:39 in the morning on Black Friday, and it was reported "SOLD OUT" within just about an hour?

I may need to watch the computer constantly whilst working on "Cyber Monday".  I am certain my boss would not mind?

EOS Bodies / Re: Next year's APS-C vs. this year's FF
« on: November 23, 2012, 07:30:00 PM »
Source: Serious lurking on this forum.

Observation: Two of next year's camera bodies will allegedly get entirely new naming systems: the high MP, and the 7D successor.

Speculation: That's because they'll introduce Canon's new sensor technology. Probably 180nm instead of 500nm (on a side note, I'd love to know more specifics about what that means).

Question: If Canon does implement this tech in a 7D.2, could that APS-C camera produce lower noise at low ISO than current FF cameras?

I ask because I'm pretty invested in EF-S lenses but also very interested in a 6D. Low ISO IQ is the #1 consideration for me. Thanks for any thoughts or info!
I doubt if we will see a APS-C camera with lower noise than a 5D MK III.  There is such a large difference, and improving noise by even 1/2 stop is a big deal.
If Canon actually is able to use a rear illuminated sensor as in their recent patent, then we might see a 1 stop gain, which would be huge.  I'm hoping to see that happen, it would likely appear in a 7D MK II first.
The 180 nm technology allows more pixels, but I doubt if it improves 18mp sensors by more than a tiny amount.
Canon is claiminng that they will have a 100% robotic assembly line.  Thats likely where development money is going.  Canon's strong point is low cost production of very good products, but not necessarily the best.  They can price lower than the competition and still make a larger profit.

We don't know if they "can" price lower than the competition.  We do know that they "don't." :P

Lenses / Re: 1Dx or lenses
« on: November 22, 2012, 11:22:16 PM »
Hard not to go with the glass.  Or THREE pieces of it, to be exact.   :D

Don't know if you are hitting walls with the 5D3 that you could walk right through with the 1Dx, but only you know, and it is your money and your life. 

Not a terribly bad dilemma to have, b/t/w.

EOS Bodies / Re: What will be the issue with the 6D
« on: November 22, 2012, 11:13:12 PM »
A related topic, is there any moderation of the canonrumors forum? There is so much anti-canon stuff that is allowed to proliferate and seems mainly aimed at making canon owners think they make poor decisions and should be filled with regret. Instead, this forum could be a pleasant haven for Canon users where people share, solve and support one another. All it would take is some decent moderation of the anti-Canon crap from either bitter people or blatant trolls.

As long as they don't resort to personal attacks, name calling, or profanity; they shouldn't be moderated.  My job isn't to judge peoples personal opinions, they're entitled to them, and I would refuse the job if given it.  As long as things are kept civil, most things will work themselves out, and most dedicated trolls will leave out of boredom or banned because of bad behavior.  There are some forum members that started off with very trollish behavior and ended up becoming good helpful forum members.

Amen.  Very well said, and it speaks very well of the integrity of this entire site!

EOS Bodies / Re: What will be the issue with the 6D
« on: November 22, 2012, 11:11:50 PM »

A related topic, is there any moderation of the canonrumors forum? There is so much anti-canon stuff that is allowed to proliferate and seems mainly aimed at making canon owners think they make poor decisions and should be filled with regret. Instead, this forum could be a pleasant haven for Canon users where people share, solve and support one another. All it would take is some decent moderation of the anti-Canon crap from either bitter people or blatant trolls.

Perhaps that sort of un-newspeak you describe should be supressed.  Not to speak too strongly, but I feel it is double-plus ungood.  (Saying this loudly so I can be heard clearly by Big Brother)

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: What would you do? Crop or FF
« on: November 22, 2012, 02:22:50 PM »
Only you can say if that trade is a good one, especially as you will be $1050 cash in on the deal.

I am not sure losing a good zoom in exchange for a 40mm pancake is really all that great, and yes, you are going to be a little hard up on the wide end.  Even adjusting for the wide-end help you'd get from the FF sensor, you'd still be missing out on whatever you used to do between 17mm and 25mm on your old lens/camera combo. 

Perhaps you should also add in the cost of the wider glass you may find you will want to buy?

I am in kind of the same situation.  I might like to go FF, and I probably would if it was "only" the considerable cost of the camera body.  The kicker, though, is additional cost of the new walk-around zoom I'd need to shell out for (24-70 or 24-105 or something), or maybe 2 or 3 primes instead.

I agree with the others that say if you do it, do it right.  You should be sure you have bought enough good glass to make the FF camera work well for you.

Good luck.  Unfortunately no real camera deals on B&H "Black Friday."   :P

Lenses / Re: 6d Kid Lens
« on: November 22, 2012, 12:14:32 AM »
Maybe that's the plan.  Overprice the new f/4 lens.  Then offer it at half price if you buy the new budget full frame 6D.  So their initial sales on the body seem very high.  And they actually move a lot of those overpriced f/4 lenses too.  And people will buy the kits and break them up and sell the lenses individually cheap, so maybe that is how to go about getting one.  Kind of a twisted "win-win" scenario?

Lenses / Re: New EF-S Lenses Are Coming [CR2]
« on: November 21, 2012, 12:54:00 PM »
What is the advantage of EF-S glass? 

I have heard that crop sensors have better focus in the middle of the lens on an EF mount.  Does this mean it can take full advantage of the entire lens in an EF-S type mount?

The advantage is Canon can sell it cheaper without undercutting its other more-expensive lenses.

The center-frame thing is an advantage to crop sensors, not Efs lenses. Crop sensur uses the sharp middle of a FF lens and discards the weaker edges.  And the light fallof/vignetting is discarded/dropped off too.

EOS Bodies / Re: 7D vs 5D2???
« on: November 20, 2012, 10:19:51 PM »
You say you don't do sports, and you didn't mention BIF (Birds In Flight), so I think you already have all the "crop multiplier" telephoto help you need with your T2i.  It does not sound like you much need the better AF (or the weatherproofing) on the same-sensored 7D.
If you are going to get another camera, I'd get one that was significantly different (for what you shoot) than your T3i; IE Full Frame.  Or at very least a brand new crop sensor that we have not yet seen.  I'd say go 5D2, or maybe see what the 6D looks like.  Or possibly wait to see if the 7D2 or 70D will have a radically improved crop sensor.


This from Chipworks, via Nikon Rumors. 

Kind of interesting to look at NR.  I want to go back and see how many posts tell gripers to "Go switch to Canon" or "It's not about the gear; it is about the talent of the photographer", etc...  8)

But apparently D600, D800, D7000, and basically all newly announced Nikons have Sony sensors, except for D4 and D3200.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark III Blinking Red AF Point Information
« on: November 16, 2012, 10:36:04 AM »
attn:  bkorcel, I have an offer for you.  How about I trade you a little of my kindness and respect for others for your eyesight?  My sight is failing and I need all the help I can get through the viewfinder.  And one more thought; you might be the answer to all my retirement needs:  I just buy you for what your worth and sell you for what you think your worth....
PLEASE!  If that is a reason to return your MK3 in favor of the 7D then you obviously spent too much money for your ability.  GO ahead and return it or sell it and those of us who use the 5D3 will continue to turn out better pictures with less noise and higher resolution.

At least they should try to make the outline of the focus square box (selected AF point) bolder.  At the current "very thin lines" it is very hard to find against any back ground but white.  I shoot single point most of the time and compared to my 7D the 5DMkIII is a pain in the bippy.  A bolder box should not affect metering unless the bolder lines will emit more light the instant it flashes red when focus is confirmed.

At this point I am considering the return of my MkIII and just go back to my 7D.  Otherwise it is a wonderful camera body.

A classy response to a nasty comment.  Your attacker says you spent too much money for your ability level, but I think what he did was spend too much money for his comfort level, and it is making him hyper-defensive of the camera body to justify the purchase to himself.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Upgrade advice: 6D or 5D2/3?
« on: November 15, 2012, 11:17:48 AM »
Pending reviews it is all guessing, but it is unfortunate if you really must purchase in time for the holidays. 

First off, the 5D2 might be as good or better for less money; we don't know. 

Also, you would be buying a camera when it first comes out.  It will definitely come down in price a few hundred bucks within 6 months of its release.  Plus, you never know if it will have some bug, and need some high-tech aerospace duct tape retrofitted inside.   ;)

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark III Blinking Red AF Point Information
« on: November 15, 2012, 08:21:22 AM »
Good to have the info, and to know they tried.  But it kind of sounds like they are saying "sorry, but no dice."

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