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EOS Bodies / Re: A Surprise Cinema EOS Announcement for Photokina? [CR1]
« on: September 13, 2014, 02:55:43 PM »
I hope this does mean a 7DC development announcement or a C100II update. Needed specs to compete and make me buy another camera body from Canon would be-

4K
possible RAW DNG option (they'll never do that).
120fps in 720 at least (preferably 240fps in 720 and 120fps in 1080)
low light ISO sensitivity on par with 5DIII or better

Love the ergonomics of the C100/300/500 series but for functionality am heavily considering Sony at this point, especially with their S-log2 and 3 on A7S and now FS7.

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EOS Bodies / Re: How does the reveal of the final 7D2 specs make you feel?
« on: September 11, 2014, 05:38:01 PM »
No 4K or RAW so disappointed but not surprised- I'm curious to see if there are any features Canon tries to push as video upgrades besides dual pixel...an included intervalometer is cool for us filmmakers.

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Hi transpo1.
Not sure what leads you to that conclusion, they will probably need to implement 4K in 7DII to retain market share against other manufacturers that have it in comparable price / quality bodies already. I don't think the cinema range will be under threat from a 7DII.
It is good that Canon are keeping abreast of the 4K standards and implementing changes via the firmware though.

Cheers, Graham.

There you have it- definitely no 4K in the 7DII if anyone was still holding out hope.

Thanks, Graham, I completely agree and hope you're right -- they should implement 4K -- but am just reacting to the current 1080p video specs being bandied about.

There you have it- definitely no 4K in the 7DII if anyone was still holding out hope.

I was thinking the opposite.  This looks more like additional ways to segregate the Cinema line from the consumer line if they start pushing 4k down the ladder toward the consumer products like the 7D replacement.

Gosh, you know -- I was a bit sleepy this morning ;) So looking at from the reverse angle, you may be right. This could be just to appease the Cinema EOS crowd, some of whom could be angry if a 4K 7DII is announced.

We'll know soon enough. I thought it strange there is RAW acceleration for Intel Iris Pro Graphics, which is a consumer graphics card, without a consumer range camera from Canon that does RAW video. Interesting.

I'd be somewhat satisfied if the 7DII does RAW 1080p and 4K compressed ;)

Are you a PRO?.

Because in a different thread someone wrote PROS will not use the 7D MK2 for work even if it had 4K.

Something i can not agree to when i look at the GH4.

I would be interested what the common senus is on this topic, on this more geeky than artsy forum.

Yes, I am a pro.

Pros will use it, even if it's just compressed Motion JPEG 4K like the 1DC.

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Hi transpo1.
Not sure what leads you to that conclusion, they will probably need to implement 4K in 7DII to retain market share against other manufacturers that have it in comparable price / quality bodies already. I don't think the cinema range will be under threat from a 7DII.
It is good that Canon are keeping abreast of the 4K standards and implementing changes via the firmware though.

Cheers, Graham.

There you have it- definitely no 4K in the 7DII if anyone was still holding out hope.

Thanks, Graham, I completely agree and hope you're right -- they should implement 4K -- but am just reacting to the current 1080p video specs being bandied about.

There you have it- definitely no 4K in the 7DII if anyone was still holding out hope.

I was thinking the opposite.  This looks more like additional ways to segregate the Cinema line from the consumer line if they start pushing 4k down the ladder toward the consumer products like the 7D replacement.

Gosh, you know -- I was a bit sleepy this morning ;) So looking at from the reverse angle, you may be right. This could be just to appease the Cinema EOS crowd, some of whom could be angry if a 4K 7DII is announced.

We'll know soon enough. I thought it strange there is RAW acceleration for Intel Iris Pro Graphics, which is a consumer graphics card, without a consumer range camera from Canon that does RAW video. Interesting.

I'd be somewhat satisfied if the 7DII does RAW 1080p and 4K compressed ;)

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There you have it- definitely no 4K in the 7DII if anyone was still holding out hope.

The Intel Iris Pro Graphics RAW graphics accelerator sounds cool- it may set the stage for the new round of Cinema EOS cameras to come out next year.


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That is true- the Cinema EOS line has always listed as non-returnable. Once you open the box, those cams are too expensive for a retail store to turn around and sell used or refurbished! Plus, filmmakers might buy and use them for a film, then return- they've been known to do that ;)

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EOS Bodies / Re: Are you planning to purchase a 7D2
« on: August 27, 2014, 10:27:51 PM »
From a video perspective --

Nope, not unless it exceeds the rumored video specs and comes with some massive video improvements that include

A) 4K internal video recording or
B) native 1080p RAW recording or
C) something I haven't thought of but which would make a killer video feature (no, not dual-pixel autofocus because we filmmakers tend to manually focus everything)

Here's hoping that Canon will surprise and I'll have to empty my pockets! :)

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EOS Bodies / Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« on: August 23, 2014, 12:16:27 PM »
Don't you understand how many cameras you could sell?

I'm sure they understand that quite well.  I'm not sure why so many people seem to think they know more than Canon...

Neuro: respect your Canon input a great deal.

As a loyal Canon customer, I know that they must have great data on the video market.

My frustration lies with them holding back on video features that competitors are releasing in similarly priced camera bodies.

There are two parts to my frustration-

1) I want a Canon camera with 4K, not a Sony or Panasonic, because Canon makes better stuff.

2) They could sell a TON of 7DII cameras on volume if they added those features and make up any loss of $$ on their Cinema EOS line from that.

So, my hunch is that the only reasons they refuse to do it is for the reason we've suspected all along- to protect and save face with their pro video line- not a good enough reason to prevent release of a great product that would fly off shelves in my opinion (such as a 7DII with 4K or RAW).

Pro video people are going to be buying GH4s and A7Ss or perhaps Blackmagics as backup cameras when they could be buying 7DIIs.

In other words, Canon's not capitalizing on their market lead in DSLR video and not following the Apple rule: cannibalize yourself before someone else does it to you.

Are there really that many indie movie makers that are shooting in 4K nowadays or is this just all baloney? Who here has a 4K monitor or software that can edit 4K video? I have yet to actually watch something in 4K. So why is it all of a sudden we need this in a camera that is primarily designed to shoot sports and wildlife pictures?

We all know that ML will squeeze 4K out of it anyway, so chill out with the 4K already.

An explanation: for film / video makers, having 4K is more about future proofing when 4K hits big and increased resolution in 1080p, not about playback for normal videos. It's like taking a small JPEG and using it for quick web distribution but wanting to have the .CR2 file for later use in case you want to blow it up for print.

That said, I'd be happy with a RAW 1080p feature in place of 4K because it would offer increased dynamic range.

But I don't want a Magic Lantern solution- I want a stable, well thought out Canon solution for 4K and / or RAW because it's more reliable and because I own enough Canon glass and bodies that I **care** about the company's future :) ;)


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EOS Bodies / Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« on: August 23, 2014, 11:14:30 AM »
Regarding the sensor...very disappointing. Sounds like a re-purposed 70D sensor with a DPAF improvement. I was REALLY, REALLY hoping Canon would really show something impressive on the sensor front with the 7D II. If the camera really does hit the streets with a 20mp sensor, I fully expect it to have the same DR limitations as all of Canon's previous sensors. Extremely disappointing.  :'( Guess we'll have to wait for the 5D IV to see if Canon can actually step up their sensor IQ game or not...which is just...so far down the road...Bleh.

Also worried about the "fine detail"...I really don't want them to start removing AA filters. That is just a dumb trend that photographers like simply because they do not understand the value of an AA filter, or the ease by which AA softening can be sharpened.

+1

it sorta almost leads one to believe that Japanese Canon Fangirls post here where they were claiming that Canon feels they have Canon users trapped enough that it won't matter if the bodies they push out can't keep up as per sensors and even other features at times (still not a hint that they are actually moving any DSLR sensors to new fabs and the panny gets 4k and yet the super new 7D2 which was promised to have revolutionary video and this and that is still 1080p)

and yeah the AA filter-less stuff I am not a big fan of, maybe when we get to 180MP FF or 60MP APS-C or something.

I'm curious about these video specs- seems like something's missing.

If Canon really does not include 4K or 1080p RAW this camera is DOA for me. Any 7DII will have to have something really spectacular in order for me to buy it in addition to my 5DIII.

4K or RAW or both, please Canon. Don't you understand how many cameras you could sell?

But of course, I'm just among those lowly 10% of video buyers (which is a statistic that could be doubled or tripled quite easily if 4K was included ;)

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Lenses / Re: Canon EF24-105mm f4 IS USM time for a refresh?
« on: August 21, 2014, 02:40:16 PM »
And I'm okay with Canon if they don't refresh it -- just keep selling it. They have bigger things to work on, like that 14-24 or 12-24L I'll be buying :)

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Lenses / Re: Canon EF24-105mm f4 IS USM time for a refresh?
« on: August 21, 2014, 01:33:07 PM »
Filmmaker and travel photographer here. The Canon 24-105 is the BEST overall lens for full-frame filmmaking. I've found it absolutely indispensable filming with the 5D and as a walk-around lens and don't think there is any substitute. The

• tele reach
• IS and
• constant aperture

are must haves for quick run and gun style shooting.

Couldn't imagine life without it, so if Canon refreshes, I'd be among the first to buy. And my hope is that within a couple of years, they will refresh. Sure, we could use a longer tele throw, but I'd rather they improve quality.

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Lenses / Re: Canon EF 11-24 f/2.8L Coming [CR1]
« on: August 09, 2014, 12:53:51 PM »
I'm a filmmaker and video guy so will buy this lens in a heartbeat and sell my 16-35L F4 IS if it's good enough. The wide angle and 2.8 will be indispensable for crop frame (Super 35mm) movie shooting.

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Lenses / Re: List of rumored lenses
« on: July 28, 2014, 04:10:32 PM »
The rumors need to start materialising as lenses. The newer cameras (before we even get to 45 or 85MP as been rumored here) such as the 6d show up the problems of the EF-17-40mm f4L,  EF24-105mm f4L both of which have pronouced chromatic abberations at 17mm and 24mm respectively. As sensors improve the faults of lenses masked at 8, 10, 12 or 18MP now show up and this undermines the system ability to produce great results. Sigma have shown improvement are possible (so has Zeiss at a price) and still remain competitive to Canon pricing.

A 24-105 II L really would be nice, especially mated with a 100-400 II L combo. Very versatile!

+1 for the 24-105L II lens. This is the most versatile lens Canon makes.

Also, Canon- a 14-24 2.8 for under $2500 please.

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Lenses / Re: Canon EF16-35mm F4 IS test
« on: July 28, 2014, 04:08:43 PM »
Thanks for the comparison!

I took my 16-35 F4 IS and 70-200 2.8 IS to Beijing last week and although I got those nice wide angle and telephoto shots of the Summer Palace I wanted, I found myself constantly missing the all-in-one reach of my 24-105.

I'm a video guy, so I prefer to have one lens that does it all. Still, good to know that I have a sharp 16-35 when I need it.

I also find that the IS on the 16-35 F4 is not as powerful as it is on the 24-105 when doing video. Anyone know why that is?

By the way, these are what they call "Uptown problems" :)

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They really need:

4k that is real 4k and not like 1080P

forget all the stupid DNR where they turn even ISO 100 to wax unless it's extreme contrast edges, we want natural 'grain' and detail and we don't want fine surface detail to be turned to mush from plasticky fake looking DNR!

we need 10bits not bits recorded internally, 10bits 4:4:4, compressed, detailed, 4k recorded internally would be great (4:2:2 at worst). (and it should allow 1080p RAW like ML)

and how about just building the zebras and focus 100% box and focus peaking in? basic stuff!

+1 here. Zebras and focus peaking are really needed. And compressed 4k and 1080p RAW please  ;)

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