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Canon General / Re: Canon Cinema EOS C300 Mark II Will be 4K [CR2]
« on: November 07, 2014, 01:48:25 PM »
Thank god. They're finally doing it. Here's hoping for a new sensor with the dynamic range and high ISO to rival Sony's chips.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Modular DSLR Coming from Canon? [CR2]
« on: October 29, 2014, 05:23:17 PM »
Well, this would be interesting. I'd like to see a modular cinema and stills camera with the reliability and build quality of a Canon. Of course, it needs

4K (4096 not UHD)
14 stops of dynamic range (greater than 1DC)
Preferably a built-in raw 1080p cinema DNG if not raw 4K option
And yes- focus peaking and zebras.
Low-light / high ISO capability at least in the range of 5DIII and hopefully on par with A7S.

I'd pay $10k for that. Yes, I know. It will be much more than that from Canon with those specs

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Announces the Cinema EOS C100 Mark II
« on: October 23, 2014, 04:36:06 PM »
I also see no reason to record 4K today.

So I can stabilize in post, crop, downsample, and still have 1080p left.

This is a legitimate response, but this camera is aimed at people using professional-style rigs, no? So stabilisation isn't really an issue.
Sure it's not an issue ... If you are that one professional on earth who gets everything perfect the first time, even in fast moving ENG or doco environments. For the rest of us not-yet-perfect videographers ... every bit of tech helps

Again, that's a legitimate point. But people saying it's a killer issue... I mean, at some point, you're always going to have to make up for equipment limitations with better technique. We all want ever better technology, but I don't understand the rancour towards specific targets, e.g. non-4k cameras.

Most of the DPs I know are now being asked by their clients to shoot 4K specifically for reframing ability in post. So, 4K is becoming a highly requested feature and a necessary one to compete, not to mention the other benefits it has for stabilization and future-proofing. So Canon is really hobbling their camera by not including it.

I think the rancor you mention is actually a misnomer for love- many of the people on this forum love Canon products and want to buy them, but are disillusioned by the lack of competitive specs. I love Canon stuff, but I'm not going to buy another camera body from them for video until it's competitive with the other, more highly specced bodies out there.

So, there it is: rancor = love for Canon :)

4k ??? don't know …
most major motion pictures are shooting on alexas…and film cameras…either scanning to 2k…or 2.5k…so if a client wanting to make a web commercial wants 4k ….???

Ahh, yes, very true. But most major motion pictures have the budget for increased time to shoot multiple angles and don't need to save time and $$ by shooting 4K for reframing. They also have greater post-production budgets for scanning, etc.

Many doc-style TV shows do need that $$ savings and speed, however.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Announces the Cinema EOS C100 Mark II
« on: October 23, 2014, 03:05:33 PM »
I also see no reason to record 4K today.

So I can stabilize in post, crop, downsample, and still have 1080p left.

This is a legitimate response, but this camera is aimed at people using professional-style rigs, no? So stabilisation isn't really an issue.
Sure it's not an issue ... If you are that one professional on earth who gets everything perfect the first time, even in fast moving ENG or doco environments. For the rest of us not-yet-perfect videographers ... every bit of tech helps

Again, that's a legitimate point. But people saying it's a killer issue... I mean, at some point, you're always going to have to make up for equipment limitations with better technique. We all want ever better technology, but I don't understand the rancour towards specific targets, e.g. non-4k cameras.

Most of the DPs I know are now being asked by their clients to shoot 4K specifically for reframing ability in post. So, 4K is becoming a highly requested feature and a necessary one to compete, not to mention the other benefits it has for stabilization and future-proofing. So Canon is really hobbling their camera by not including it.

I think the rancor you mention is actually a misnomer for love- many of the people on this forum love Canon products and want to buy them, but are disillusioned by the lack of competitive specs. I love Canon stuff, but I'm not going to buy another camera body from them for video until it's competitive with the other, more highly specced bodies out there.

So, there it is: rancor = love for Canon :)

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Announces the Cinema EOS C100 Mark II
« on: October 23, 2014, 10:57:26 AM »
4K and UHD is not only about the resolution, it's about the color! We've been using Rec. 709 for almost 25 years, but UHD will bring Rec. 2020 which has a much wider color gamut and supports up to 12 bit instead of 8 bit. While not everybody will see the improved sharpness from UHD, we will definitely see the large increase in the color gamut and the jump from 8 bit to 10 and 12 bit. This is why professionals want to buy UHD and 4K cameras, we do not want to spend thousands on a new camera that's already behind the curve.

Great point. Customers, especially professionals, want to feel they're getting the latest and greatest when they buy a camera and getting a stellar value. Those feelings can translate into confidence about the products. And Canon is making it increasingly difficult to feel that way when they release something.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Announces the Cinema EOS C100 Mark II
« on: October 22, 2014, 01:30:24 PM »
Either way you look at this, its not a compelling update.  Yes if you already own a C100, you don’t have much of a reason to upgrade here. 

Surely if Canon decides to only offer “internal” 4:2:2 in a C300 upgrade for over $10,000 they cant imagine they wont loose out big time to the SONY FS7 for $8,000 (including 4K) and greatly improved ergonomics. 

Other then Canon Fanboys, Im not sure what this offers anyone really.  Honestly I’m kinda mystified by this one.

It is mystifying and a bit insulting to their customer base. They're trying to give as little value as possible while maintaining profit. Most of the customer base recognize the lack of competitive tech specs and are much smarter than this.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Announces the Cinema EOS C100 Mark II
« on: October 22, 2014, 12:15:00 PM »
Shame it hasn't got a touch screen like the 70D, great with the dual pixel AF.

Are you kidding- put features in that people want? That would sell far too many cameras for Canon ;)

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Announces the Cinema EOS C100 Mark II
« on: October 22, 2014, 11:54:27 AM »
We've already seen images coming off of the FS7 and it's entirely different story than the FS700

Could you provide some links? All I've seen is this: vimeo.com/105756611 which wasn't that impressive.

There's another clip, here- no scientific tests yet, but it looks to me like greater dynamic range than the FS700's usable 11-12. Seems to be delivering on the promise of 14 stops.

https://pro.sony.com/bbsc/video/channels-xdcam_hd_products/

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Announces the Cinema EOS C100 Mark II
« on: October 22, 2014, 10:39:01 AM »
I'd like to remind the people talking about the FS7, that the FS700 was a Canon killer on paper too.  Then we started seeing what the actual images looked like coming off the FS700, and it wasn't comparable.

We've already seen images coming off of the FS7 and it's entirely different story than the FS700- images look more cinematic and using the Slog 3 yields 14 stops of dynamic range with ergonomic usability much greater. I've already heard from cinematographer friends about shows pre-ordering multiple FS7s.

This is a potential C300/100 killer, which is why Canon is currently making moves with the C100ii and adding kits to B&H.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Announces the Cinema EOS C100 Mark II
« on: October 22, 2014, 10:35:05 AM »
If you use the C300 and C100 daily you will know how significantly better the C300 feels, and this upgrade makes the C100 actually nicer than the C300. The tiltable hq EVF is alone worthy of upgrade, the screen is also a great addition, slowmotion also is very good, these were the only complaints people had with the C100 and it fixed those. The dual pixel AF in the entire frame can revolutionize event/sports/documentary shooting. They also DO claim higher image quality and better high ISO performance.let's wait and see what it does in real life tests, but this seems like the most "complete" video camera for 5$k now. If you need 4K, this camera is not 4K, look at 4K cameras, there are many.

The Canon C line while disappoints web-readers who don't actually use the cameras, prove to be the best in class when actually used. The C300 didn't become the de facto standard for news and broadcast for it's spec sheet, remember how the scarlet was announced on the same day with an enormous spec sheet, look how many use the scarlet compared to the c300 now. Let's wait until we see the images and real-life tests.
It does not say dpaf for the entire frame. I'm guessing it is just the center as before.  But entire frame with a touch screen focus pull would change things

I agree- if Canon could integrate touch focus into the C100 for the entire frame, this would be a killer feature. Still, they have no reason to keep milking their customers for cams that are not 4K-capable. At least allow this thing to record 4K with an external recorder. It's simply very clear they are still protecting their higher-end at the expense of adding value.

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Pricewatch Deals / Re: Canon Announces New Cinema EOS C100 & C300 Kits
« on: October 21, 2014, 01:11:02 PM »
Looks like Sony's FS7 has Canon jumping.

Yup. A poor, temporary solution to Sony's FS7 move. Neither of these kits address 4k capability, though. My guess is Canon won't make a larger move until NAB next year when new Cinema cams come out but I do hope I'm wrong...

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Reviews / Re: Camera Store Trashes New G7X
« on: October 20, 2014, 03:27:57 PM »
"Canon needs to step up their release cycle." From a video spec perspective btwn these two cams, this is certainly true.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Announces CN20x50 Cine-Servo Ultra Zoom Lens
« on: October 16, 2014, 10:26:24 AM »
And a steal at $50,000...if we're lucky.  ;)

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Canon General / Re: seeimpossible.usa.canon.com?
« on: October 07, 2014, 07:45:44 AM »
Lame. Instead of spending time on marketing, I echo the sentiments voiced above- just add features to your cameras that bring them in line with similar offerings by competitors.

Be bold and risk cannibalizing your own products in order to give customers what they want. Yes, Canon started the HDSLR video revolution- capitalize on it by leading that segment rather than abandoning it to protect higher end marketshare and thus ceding it to competitors.

People love using Canon products- give back to them by adding features they want in a timely manner and pushing competition forward, not playing the conservative "market leader" card.

While Canon is playing the market leader card, Sony is out there trying things and cannibalizing their own products. Some of their products will succeed and that approach may eventually garner more consumer support and more marketshare.

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