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This price reduction makes me now think (even more) that there'll be a 1DC2 unveiled at the NAB show. 

-- peer

Interesting thought- I feel like if there were any big announcements like that, they would have come this week but one can always hope :)

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And there it is- Canon's current answer to the under $10K 4K market :)

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These are fixed lens camcorders. I know they serve a purpose, but...snore.


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Have to hand it to Canon- despite the cost, this is great for its video customers and pretty innovative. I, however, will be renting, not buying ;)

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EOS Bodies / Re: New Canon Cine Zoom Lens?
« on: March 31, 2014, 01:15:11 PM »
mkabi, to my knowledge, those RED sensors have never been released. I remember seeing them talked about years ago, but I never heard anymore than that.

Back to the lens, it's probably going to be over $20k. Likely in the $30k's, at least, but we'll see in a week or less. Spec wise, I haven't heard exact numbers(more correctly, I've heard two or three different, but similar zoom ranges) and I don't want to say the exact numbers that I have heard, but it's supposed to be wider than 20mm and longer than 105mm.  Aperture, I haven't heard either, but hopefully a constant T2.9.   And regarding the picture, I was told this morning by someone that officially they have to say it might be fake, but it's not- unofficially...

But, until Canon releases an announcement it's all rumor.  By this time next week, we should know for sure. NAB really gets cranking Monday.

Despite the price, this sounds like it really would be a great addition to the Cinema EOS pro body toolkit, as it would help those cameras compete with the documentary ENG-style Amira. The cost of a Cinema EOS body plus the new lens would be less than the Amira's base price of $40K.

And many people, including myself, love the 24-105L, so a powered zoom of that length would be incredibly useful...

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PowerShot / Re: Canon EOS Smart 1 Phone - April Fools Joke? :)
« on: March 31, 2014, 10:24:21 AM »
Oh, come on  ;D

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EOS Bodies / Re: New Canon Cine Zoom Lens?
« on: March 31, 2014, 09:50:57 AM »
Is the *optical* quality of a Canon CN-E50mm T1.3 L F better than the IQ of a 50mm 1.2L? If yes, it would be interesting to get compared to the Zeiss Otus 55 f1.4...

(http://www.canon.de/For_Home/Product_Finder/Digital_Cinema/Cine_Lenses/CN-E50mm_T1.3_L_F/index.aspx)


Should be the same or virtually identical, different coatings maybe so maybe better contrast, more aperture blades I think, better mechanics.

Smart, if this is true. But it doesn't address the pressing need for a 7DC or 5DC 4K DSLR or Cinema EOS equivalent for under $10K, does it Canon?  :) ;)


What need?


You personally not having a need for it does not mean there is not a need for it. The fact that there is so much interest in ML and Black Magic cameras clearly proves the point that there very much IS a need for it.


There's interest, but relative to the CX00 line.... there aren't sales. The BMCC and ML products are "alternative" products that cater to niche audiences (primarily high end hobbyists) that Canon does not need to cater to because this market is much smaller (with significant competition) than the market (low end tv/indie cinema/high end event and wedding) they are doing exceptionally well in. C300s rent very well and are ubiquitous on reality shows as A cams and dramatic tv as B cams.

Besides, since the Black Magic cameras and 5D hack already cater to this market... there are already products here to choose if you are not interested in what the CX00 line has to offer. Hence what need is there for the same product but Canon-branded (and inevitably much more expensive)? Were Canon to add raw and 4k to its dSLRs it would cannibalize 1DC and C500 sales, which are already workflow nightmares, and force immature workflows onto consumers who are likely not as ready for them as those willing to drop huge price premiums are, compromising the company's reputation for easy-to-use production-ready hardware. Black Magic caters to an enthusiast crowd (similar to Red) that is willing to put up with workflow issues and immature hardware for what they perceive to be significant image quality gains... Canon is interested in the "good enough for your client and really easy to use" market.

When 4k tvs, monitors, and post-production workflows are mainstream Canon dSLRs will shoot 4k. (Maybe a few years after even, Canon dawdles a bit with such tech it seems.)


This may be true, and yes, Canon is responsible to its shareholders and needs to maintain profitability by choosing carefully what markets and niches to enter, but --

What some of us are trying to say about this mentality is that, from a product standpoint, it's not forward-looking. Yes, an introduction of a 4K camera under $10K will cannibalize **some** of its higher end products. But Apple has proved that you can pinpoint where a market is headed and leap forward to cannibalize yourself before others do it for you. You put out a product that is ahead of the curve and sell on volume.

Any prosumer or high-end enthusiast who buys into a $6K-10K priced 4K DSLR or Cinema EOS body will be prepared for any workflow issues. And the amount of these bodies Canon would sell would make up for any cannibalization of the higher end. Pros want the higher end bodies anyway- reality shows are not going to give up their C300s for a DSLR form factor or crippled, lower end Cinema EOS body just because it does 4K.

Canon can really have their cake and eat it, too, here- we just don't want them to be too afraid to try  ;)

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EOS Bodies / Re: New Canon Cine Zoom Lens?
« on: March 30, 2014, 04:13:10 PM »
This makes sense if Canon is trying to enhance the usability of the C100-300-500 as documentary-style ENG cameras to compete with the new Arri Amira.

For the price of an Amira ($40,000 starting price), users could buy a C300 or 500 and this lens, which is sure to be in the $20,000 range at least. And it would also compete in the rental market.

Smart, if this is true. But it doesn't address the pressing need for a 7DC or 5DC 4K DSLR or Cinema EOS equivalent for under $10K, does it Canon?  :) ;)








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EOS Bodies / Re: Cinema EOS C200 & C400 at NAB? [CR1]
« on: March 28, 2014, 02:47:20 PM »
This rumor sounds too good to be true for us video folks, but let's see what the future holds...

One thing is if the C200 is real and is another AVCHD camera, I'll throw something out the window. --> Pro Res or MXF, please  :)

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EOS Bodies / Re: New Full Frame Camera in 2014? [CR1]
« on: March 27, 2014, 11:05:03 AM »
I would expect a 44.2MP 4K FF sensor (11520x7680)

Curious - how did you get that sensor size?

Isn't 4k twice 1080 which is 1920 x 1080 so twice would be 3820 x 2160?

And true cinema 4K would be 4096 x 2160, which is what the 1DC outputs...as opposed to Ultra HD, which is 3840×2160 (and is what the Blackmagic Production Camera outputs).

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon's Plans For NAB 2014 Next Month [CR1]
« on: March 21, 2014, 10:16:14 AM »
You know what will be a head turner?
Instead of a 7DC, they release a 5DC... 24MP Dual Pixel & 4K. Game over.

This would be awesome- but if they do it, prepare for it to be priced at between $6-8K :)

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon's Plans For NAB 2014 Next Month [CR1]
« on: March 21, 2014, 10:14:41 AM »
If they put 4K video on it, NAB would be a great place to announce it.
True, but I don't see that happening. For one, there would have been a lot more rumor leaks that it would have 4k, especially since there have been so many other cameras adding 4k.

A firmware update for the 1D-C, and new EOS cine body that actually does 4k that does cheaper than the C500 would be what to expect from Canon

Wishing upon a star for a 7DC with compressed 4K, but you're right- this is probably all we can expect from them. If you're listening though, Canon, try to up your game and release something like a 7 or 5DC, too :)

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon's Plans For NAB 2014 Next Month [CR1]
« on: March 20, 2014, 01:58:26 PM »
It's a firmware update unlocking 4K raw or other recording on the 1DC, plus a high end 4K Cinema EOS and maybe, just maybe a 7DII with improved video quality, maybe through compressed 4K. That last one is a pipe dream, but I'm holding out hope...  :)

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EOS Bodies / Re: Two Cinema EOS Cameras Coming for NAB? [CR1]
« on: March 19, 2014, 01:27:05 PM »
I'm taking the recent comments from Canon executives hinting at the need to "improve DSLR video quality" to mean they could give us compressed 4k in the 7DII.  If in the $2k range for body only, I'll order one right away.

To save face for their higher end customers, Canon can --

-- unlock 4k raw capability in the 1DC through firmware or announce a successor model
-- Update the C300 and C500 with improved specs through firmware or free dual-pixel upgrades or simply lower the prices a bit. The pros who use these cameras will not stop using them because of a 4k 7DII. They'll just also buy the 7DII.

Or Canon can announce a 7DC, separate from the 7DII, which would focus only on 4k video, and then charge $4k for it :)




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Canon General / Re: 11 photographs that shook the world
« on: February 20, 2014, 12:57:29 PM »
Agree with the comments above- this is a terrible list with many iconic images missing. And that WTC Photoshopped image should never have been included.

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