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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS C100 & C500 Coming? [CR1]

« on: April 11, 2012, 12:26:36 PM »

It will be interesting to see what they come out with. Canon needs to take a lesson from Apple and be willing to cannibalize themselves with a lower-end 4k or 2k video camera. Anything they come out with for below 10,000 is going to eat into their c300 sales but I hope they take the plunge. It would be nice to see them take the lead from Sony in this area- they have a tremendous following from all of their DSLRs, now they just have to capitalize on that with a meaningful video offering.

C300 sales? I don't know for sure if it's selling good... but I really doubt it.
As far as Apple goes... I'm not sure if it was that good for the professional market... I mean, the Mac Pro workstation line is going to be discontinued because Apple just sells iPads and iPhones right now, leaving us hopeless in windows land.

The thing is, I'm sure when Sony announced the FS-700 with true 4k and over 300 FPS slow-motion at only $9,000, many of the C-300 backorders were cancelled. In effect, Sony cannibalized themselves in a huge way. The FS-700 is a gigantic step in affordable, high quality, large sensor video.

Canon needs to do the same. The 4K EOS needs to be really, really strong to compete against Sony. The C-300 was very conservative / underspec'd and it's going to get it's A$$ handed to it by Sony. I'm very happy about Canon getting wrecked by Sony, because this is a wake up call to them to start making good products instead of just trying to milk all the video people like they have been.

Competition is good, and Sony's cannibalization of themselves is hopefully a sign of good things to come.

As for Apple, they have gone too consumer and it's hurting their Pro Market. I certainly hope they don't discontinue the towers, otherwise, what am I going to use? I need all the power I can get from a computer and can't do my stuff on a laptop or an iMac.

Definitely. Sony realized they needed to cannibalize their own higher-end cameras to be competitive. The lesson from Apple is that when the iPhone came out, they went with it even though they knew it would eat into their iPod sales- that's progress, innovation, and progress for the consumer.

You're right- competition is good and I hope Canon can wake up to the challenge in the video area. Their 4K offering needs to be very strong indeed and they can't worry about how it will effect their C300 product.

Guess we'll see next week!

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS C100 & C500 Coming? [CR1]

« on: April 11, 2012, 10:21:10 AM »

It will be interesting to see what they come out with. Canon needs to take a lesson from Apple and be willing to cannibalize themselves with a lower-end 4k or 2k video camera. Anything they come out with for below 10,000 is going to eat into their c300 sales but I hope they take the plunge. It would be nice to see them take the lead from Sony in this area- they have a tremendous following from all of their DSLRs, now they just have to capitalize on that with a meaningful video offering.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 5D Mark III Sooner Than Later [CR2]

« on: December 28, 2011, 12:01:45 PM »

Unfortunately I don't think the "Concept" DSLR is going to be targeted for the 5DII video market.  Canon announced and purposely showed off that "Concept DSLR" camera in their marketing materials next to the C-300 and the new cine lenses and PL mounts with the same "C" branding in red, therefore I think that camera is aimed at THAT market solely - Hollywood, where it was announced...not at the core 5DII community that shoots video.  I think it will be targeted to be used in conjunction with the C300s as B cams etc or others (indies with funding) as primary that are buying the $8K-$15K cine lenses as well... all the pictures I've seen of it from Canon show it with one of the new CN-E lenses which are obviously going to be well above EF-L glass in price.  I also don't think it was THAT early of a prototype either, else they wouldn't have included it in the C-300 announcement.  I think it's closer to market version vs concept.

Like you, I'd like to see a stills camera similar to the 1DsIII too (or alternately a new model/series FF stills camera in the $3-4K range) but since everyone is including video now I don't think we will.  With the 1Dx inclusive of video, I think that the prospect of a stills-only studio camera has left the building, even if the rumored huge MP camera comes out, I'm sure it will also shoot video.  I think the 5DIII will be targeted at the same exact market that loves their 5DIIs (stills and/or video both) in the $3K range, with no real surprises in the price/market area.  I'm guessing much akin to a FF 7D (AF, etc) hopefully with some of the new sensor/video features of the 1Dx.  Maybe we will all see soon now...

The announcement was that it was in development, they weren't actually announcing the product (no specs aside from 4k).  And a lot of people were saying that the C300 would be the great B cam, so I don't see why they would be so interested in the Cinema DSLR.  Of course the red "C" seems like it's geared towards the hollywood market, but that's only based on the products you've seen so far.  Yes the new Cinema primes will fit on the CDSLR, they're EF mount!  Any other Canon lens will fit on it so that doesn't tell us anything....

All I know is I'm part of the 5D video segment and I only got into DSLRs for the video side.  But there are things I hate about the 5DII and I really want a DSLR designed to shoot video.  NOT another stills camera that happens to shoot great video... 

I was thrilled when I saw that Canon was making an announcement, but disappointed when the C300 was revealed (since its not in my price range).  But I was only disappointed until I saw the concept DSLR, and that's what I'm waiting for.  It just seems like they only mentioned that to let the prosumers know that they will have something for them down the line.  And I'm sure Canon knows how eager people would be to get their hands on a "Cinema EOS" product. 

Of course the 5DIII will shoot video, but the 5D series is a stills camera at heart.  Canon didn't know the 5D would take off in the video world the way it did, they wouldn't be such a pain in the ass to shoot video with otherwise.
 

Unfortunately, I think the Cinema EOS 4k concept camera will be a $20,000 product- it was announced to keep Canon video users from investing in Scarlet-X, the only other 4k capable camera out there within reach. If the HD-only C300 is $16,000, it seems unlikely they would undercut that with a 4k DSLR at a lower cost. Of course, I hope I'm wrong.

My hunch is they'll improve the video in the 5DIII to match the 1DX (with maybe a few other goodies- HDR video, anyone?), and let us, the low-budget filmmaking crowd use that while they market the 4k Cinema EOS camera for the Hollywood/rental market/higher budget crowd.

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EOS Bodies / Re: EF Mount Video Camera [CR1]

« on: July 19, 2011, 12:46:34 PM »

God, I hope it doesn't look like the picture in the post...Canon should take a page from the build quality of the 5DII and make it as rugged as their DSLRs- at least give it the build quality similar to a RED camera.

Mid-2012 is a long way away, but if it's 4k or more with EF lens compatibility I'd buy it...if I haven't already bought an Epic-S.

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EOS Bodies / Re: What do you want from the 5D mk III

« on: April 24, 2011, 09:56:28 PM »

I really really really want pixel binning.  This would fix a lot of the video problems and allow others to use less MP if they wanted to without needing a smaller sensor.

Amen.

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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS Large Sensor HD Camera

« on: April 23, 2011, 02:30:21 AM »

I'm actually looking forward to a much improved 5DIII for video more than a camcorder w/large sensor form factor, and I'm a video guy. I love the DSLR form factor- it feels much more natural to me than a camcorder and you are able to make them virtually anything you want using add-ons.

Reading in between the lines from Shane Hurlbut and others, Canon seems to understand the value of the HDSLR form factor and seem to be committed to improving it, but only time will tell.

All of this being said, I would be VERY interested in a Canon Super 35mm camcorder IF it shot 4K or 5K to compete with RED. I wouldn't blow $7,000-12,000 on a camera that only shot in 2k HD, no matter how big the sensor. Hopefully Canon realizes that greater than 2k is the future and gets ahead of the other big video manufacturers (Sony, Panasonic).

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EOS Bodies / Re: 26.4mp 5D Mark III Mid-year? [CR1]

« on: April 19, 2011, 02:56:03 PM »

Still don't see how Canon could produce a 5DIII by mid-year with the current supply issues...and why would they announce one mid-year if it wasn't shipping until the Fall? Wouldn't that drastically cut down on existing 5DII sales?

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 5d mark III/Compatibility with Canon super 35mm camcorder

« on: April 18, 2011, 04:37:25 PM »

Which Super 35mm Canon camcorder? I wasn't aware they announced/showed anything...

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EOS Bodies / Re: 26.4mp 5D Mark III Mid-year? [CR1]

« on: April 18, 2011, 04:35:49 PM »

I don't see how it would be possible for Canon to crank up manufacturing for a new camera over the summer when they are straining to meet current production needs...unless they are hoarding components for a yet to be announced model.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon direct store drops 5D body only?

« on: April 17, 2011, 04:36:21 PM »

Yeah, based on this information, it seems like it would be very difficult for them to launch a new product right now due to parts issues as you say. They could get away with producing a more expensive, lower volume camera like the 1D, but it would be tough to obtain the component supply needed for a hot selling, high volume item like the 5Diii.

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EOS Bodies / Canon direct store drops 5D body only?

« on: April 17, 2011, 01:59:05 PM »

Was noticing today that Canon has dropped the 5d body only option from their direct store. Could this be a sign of something coming, or just reflective of stock issues due to the ongoing situation in Japan?

Usually (yes I've checked in recent weeks), the bodies will say "out of stock," then recently they said "n/a," now they've disappeared altogether. Refurbished and new.

Thoughts?

Updated w/link:
http://shop.usa.canon.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/subCategory_10051_10051_-1_29252#

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EOS Bodies / Re: Upcoming DSLR [CR1]

« on: April 09, 2011, 08:25:54 PM »

Sounds to me like the earliest we'll see a shipping model 5Diii is Nov/Dec of this year.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Upcoming DSLR [CR1]

« on: April 08, 2011, 06:02:23 PM »

Anyone here know Canon's modus operandi with lag time between announcement and shipment? If they announce in August, would they ramp production up by July/August for shipments in Sept/October?

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EOS Bodies / Re: Technicolor & Canon USA Alliance

« on: April 07, 2011, 01:32:34 PM »

First a Collaboration with Apple, now with Technicolor, looks like Canon is preparing for battle with RED.
I don't think this will be available with any of the current bodies, but is intended for a new to be announced cine body(like NEX-FS100), and possibly the 5DIII.

I hope you're right, but my impression was that this would be a downloadable picture profile, able to be used across the EOS HDSLR range.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Technicolor & Canon USA Alliance

« on: April 07, 2011, 01:30:36 PM »

Perhaps someone can answer me this about the NEX-FS100.

I was looking at the stats on the sony website.  The lens is an 18-200mm lens; however the site says that the 35mm equivalent is 27-300mm (a 1.5 crop).  But the camera boasts Super 35mm sensor.  Am I missing something?

That sounds about right. A 35mm motion picture film sensor is roughly equivalent to APS-C.