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EOS-M / Re: Canon EOS M3 in Q3 of 2014?
« on: April 15, 2014, 09:40:24 AM »
Your arguments are almost childlike.

Almost? Just almost? I was aiming for completely.  :'(

But seriously, would you take a 1DX to Antarctica for that once-in-a-lifetime, all-important assignment, knowing the camera is not rated for that environment?

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: FUJIFILM'S latest, X-T1 ?
« on: April 15, 2014, 03:14:12 AM »
Thanks, it really helps.  :)

Good call on seeing what the WR lenses bring. If FUJIFILM brings out a weather-sealed, internal zoom lens in the 50~200mm range (constant f/4 would be sufficient), that'll be my choice.

A friend of mine ditched all his Canon gear in favour of Pentax and is slowly acquiring the WR lenses he needs. It doesn't rain very often here where I live, but when it does he's outside with his Pentax gear taking beautiful pictures while my Canon stuff sits on the shelf.

I ordered the X-T1 about four weeks ago ... they said they'll have stock in about two or three weeks. Then I'm going to try the MF lenses first. I still have all my old Takumar lenses, including a 24mm.

I was thinking of also getting the X-M1 as a carry-everywhere camera, possibly with the 27mm lens. Comments?

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EOS-M / Re: Canon EOS M3 in Q3 of 2014?
« on: April 15, 2014, 02:53:53 AM »
When shooting in eagles sub-freezing temps with my 1D X, the LCD stopped working...but the OVF didn't, and I kept on shooting.

The Olympus E-M1 is rated for -10°C (minus ten degrees Celsius); the FUJIFILM X-T1 as well. But the Lord of DSLR's (i.e. the Canon EOS 1D X) is only rated to 0°C .... bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha  ;)

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EOS-M / Re: Canon EOS M3 in Q3 of 2014?
« on: April 15, 2014, 02:47:04 AM »
However, a modern SLR with live view is almost exactly the same as a MILC plus a mirror plus an OVF.

No, it is not.

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EOS-M / Re: Canon EOS M3 in Q3 of 2014?
« on: April 15, 2014, 02:43:59 AM »
But the problem that many people don't realize is the the Bokeh you lose with APS-C at smaller apertures. ... Basically, the bokeh at f2 on FF is equal to f3.2 on APS-C. ... Then your bokeh is up to f6.4 FF equiv.

Bokeh ... I do not think that word means what you think it means.

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EOS-M / Re: Canon EOS M3 in Q3 of 2014?
« on: April 15, 2014, 02:39:29 AM »
LEICA is always the ol' rusty nail that deflates the whole argument against the profitability of niche markets, aren't they?

Who's arguing that niche markets are unprofitable?  They can be quite profitable, if managed (aka exploited) properly.  The 1-series bodies are a niche market, the 1D C even more so – and they're priced for Canon to profit from them. Ferrari has been in business for a long time. 

My statement was a non sequitur;)

Anyway, your insistence that mirrorless only accounts for an irrelevant 10% of total sales is counter-intuitive to your acknowledgement that niche markets can be profitable.

BTW, isn't Ferrari owned by FIAT?  ???

The thing that needs to be deflated is some people's idea that niche market high-end gear should be sold to them as mass-market prices.

The inverse also counts ... selling mass-market goods at niche market prices.

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EOS-M / Re: Canon EOS M3 in Q3 of 2014?
« on: April 14, 2014, 03:02:56 PM »
Your view of the situation is rather incomplete.

It usually is ... ignorance is bliss and all that rot.  ;)

In fact, only ~13% of Fuji's revenue comes from their Imaging Solutions division (which includes their consumer camera products), and income from their Imaging division has dropped steadily over the last 5 years.

A drop is OK, unless it goes negative and you start losing money ... then it's time to fire the execs.

Imaging Solutions also includes photo paper and instant cameras, both of which have increased revenues recently, but the drop in digital camera sales has dragged the division down overall. 

I wonder why? (Well, actually not ... I know the reason, but it's so revolutionary that the sun will probably explode or something before anyone will comprehend the theory ... or because of it.)

So, Fujifilm is doing well because they they sell a lot of office products and medical imaging devices, not becuase they sell 'a few quality products (a la LEICA)'. 

Apart from their Inferia Superia films, I've never seen anything other than photographic stuff labeled FUJIFILM here in South Africa ... just don't tell me they also make bio-potties like Panasonic!

Speaking of Leica, Leica Camera is a niche company that exists primarily becuase the conglomerate that bought the rest of Leica (Danaher purchased the Microsystems and Geosystems divisions a few years back) didn't want the camera division, because it doesn't fit with their B2B business model.  Leica Camera had to license their own name back from Danaher.

LEICA is always the ol' rusty nail that deflates the whole argument against the profitability of niche markets, aren't they? Ooooh, how I love 'em. ;D

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EOS-M / Re: Canon EOS M3 in Q3 of 2014?
« on: April 14, 2014, 02:03:35 PM »
So Canon will fail because they're not diversified…

Eventually.

... but Fujifilm and Olympus are diversified?   ::)

No. FUJIFILM is doing well enough because they are focusing on a few quality products (a la LEICA); but Olympus is making too many mistakes.

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EOS-M / Re: Canon EOS M3 in Q3 of 2014?
« on: April 14, 2014, 01:56:43 PM »
Which, as stated, Canon already did…and the EOS M was the second best-selling MILC in Japan last year, outselling Fuji, Olympus, Panasonic, and most models of Sony MILCs.

You can ignore that fact all day long, but that doesn't make it untrue or irrelevant.


Just for you ...

Small | Large


No, Olympus, Panasonic, Sony and FUJIFILM are selling 2014-model mopeds.  Ok, Sony has a car in its lineup, but it's a niche product, sort of like a muscle car - a big, powerful engine in a plain, rather boring chassis.  :P

In this analogy, Canon is Toyota, selling all sorts of models at many price levels, including the Corolla which is the best-selling car in the world.


Mopeds, huh. More like Vespa scooters, if ask me (which you didn't)!

If the Toyota is the best-selling car in the world, then on sheer numbers it must also be involved in the most accidents ...  ???

Toyota looks like they're venturing into the scooter market, too, just like Canon is venturing into the MILC market.


Toyota also makes forklifts and my personal favourite, the Sesfikile:P

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EOS-M / Re: Canon EOS M3 in Q3 of 2014?
« on: April 14, 2014, 01:43:46 PM »
First off, I think you may be overstating the impact of that influence on camera buying decisions.  Are you suggesting that every person to whom you recommend the Fuji XT-1 will buy one, or that no one else may be telling that same person to buy a Canon 650D?  That seems unliklely.  Influence works both ways.  Importantly, it works by observation - Canon's position as the market leader means if you go out and look, you're more likely to see a Canon camera in someone's hands than one made by Fuji, Olympus or Panasonic. 

I have an over-inflated ego ... it is a requirement for my occupation. Nonetheless, I'm right. (History tells me so.)

Second, and more importantly, it's obvious that Canon is diversified into many markets, from imaging systems to industrial equipment.  Their imaging systems business encompasses P&S, ILCs, camcorders, cinema and broadcast, printers, etc.

That is not diversifying. Sony selling insurance in addition to their electronic stuff is diversifying. Strangely enough, the most excellent example for this diversify or die theory is a South African company called Naspers. They actually diversified INTO the market segment that posed the greatest threat to their "original" business.

(Well, maybe I extrapolated from your statements just a bit for dramatic effect…)

Isn't that what Internet forums are for?  ;D

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EOS-M / Re: Canon EOS M3 in Q3 of 2014?
« on: April 14, 2014, 01:29:32 PM »
Make the SL1 design mirrorless with a more solid body and your problems are solved. EF/EF-S lens compatibility and a form-factor that people are familiar with and like.

Glad to see someone listens to my mad ravings.  ;D

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EOS-M / Re: Canon EOS M3 in Q3 of 2014?
« on: April 14, 2014, 01:28:24 PM »
marketing 101 - segment your market.  Extra maximum profit from each.

Complete the course first. Pay special attention to the module about developing and selling a new type of product in an already competitive market.

Would you be happy if there was only 1 car, a high priced car for the enthusiasts?

Not the same situation, but to continue the analogy ... Olympus, Panasonic, Sony and FUJIFILM are selling 2014-model SUV's; Canon is selling 1960's Land Rovers.

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EOS-M / Re: Canon EOS M3 in Q3 of 2014?
« on: April 14, 2014, 12:11:02 PM »
Populations drive corporate bottom lines.  Canon cares…about the camera market.  But not about you and the people you influence, nor about me and the people I influence, the number of which doesn't even rise to the level of meaningless insignificance on the scale of the global camera market.

This viewpoint is exactly why all companies eventually fail, unless they diversify into new markets.

I take that, as a biologist, you understand exponential growth of populations. Well, in the social sciences we have the same concept, only relating to ideas, behaviour, beliefs, customs and such. So, the number of people I directly influence might on itself be irrelevant, but then they also influence people and so on ... thousands and millions.

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EOS-M / Re: Canon EOS M3 in Q3 of 2014?
« on: April 14, 2014, 11:55:17 AM »
Yep, the rich old relative that will be drinking fine wine and feasting on pâté and aged cheeses ...

I see Canon's marketing dept. really earned their salaries with you.  ;)

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EOS-M / Re: Canon EOS M3 in Q3 of 2014?
« on: April 14, 2014, 11:47:28 AM »
Again, you are thinking from the perspective of an individual buying one camera, and Canon is considering the perspective of millions of people buying all sorts of cameras.

Individuals buy cameras. Individuals are influenced by other individuals ... as well as by corporate marketing, but individuals carry more weight. And so on. Oh, who cares anyway?

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